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Greg Roman

Dom McRaven

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You know @DeVito52 , I wanted to do this in a civil manner but since you wanna act up.....FUCK your rights. I hereby sentence you to the Pit of Misery for an indefinite period of time.

Dilly dilly!
 

DeVito52

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You know @DeVito52 , I wanted to do this in a civil manner but since you wanna act up.....FUCK your rights. I hereby sentence you to the Pit of Misery for an indefinite period of time.

Dilly dilly!
You hereby sentence me? Yeah goodluck with that. Fuck your pit
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
Okay. Serious post. So Greg Roman employs a ton of play action fakes and bootlegs. Really studying his past, I really don't think he's historically been the main problem.

This fits in beautifully with Lamar. Lamar is really adept at throwing on the run and bootlegs with him are a dangerous proposition that no defense in the game wants to face. This, plus the fact that both TEs are good, makes only strengthens my viewpoint: build the damn line. Snead and the TEs are going to eat any opposition alive with this if we have a strong running game. Worrying about a deep threat is still important but it ain't going to matter if we can't beat teams off the ball.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Okay. Serious post. So Greg Roman employs a ton of play action fakes and bootlegs. Really studying his past, I really don't think he's historically been the main problem.

This fits in beautifully with Lamar. Lamar is really adept at throwing on the run and bootlegs with him are a dangerous proposition that no defense in the game wants to face. This, plus the fact that both TEs are good, makes only strengthens my viewpoint: build the damn line. Snead and the TEs are going to eat any opposition alive with this if we have a strong running game. Worrying about a deep threat is still important but it ain't going to matter if we can't beat teams off the ball.

As long as Lamar sees the seam when it’s open... too many times he didn’t see the seam coming open for a large gain on what he’s already proven so far are throws he can make routinely when he makes that read
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
As long as Lamar sees the seam when it’s open... too many times he didn’t see the seam coming open for a large gain on what he’s already proven so far are throws he can make routinely when he makes that read
I think that's a more than fixable issue in due time.
Matt Waldman said on his podcast he doesn't agree with Kolmann's assessment. It was very interesting to hear his stance because he's basically the only analyst who actually likes Lamar. His key statement was: Mahomes played phenomenally because Andy Reid allowed Mahomes to be who he is and didn't restrict him in certain areas i.e ban his crazy baseball-esque throws. However he doesn't think that Harbaugh and Roman are going to take the same approach and as a consequence might hinder Lamar's progression/development.

Moved it here. I could not disagree with Waldman more with regards to Roman. Roman's offenses in the past have been historically heavy on the things that Lamar Jackson is good at. Lots of play action, bootlegs, getting the tight ends heavily involved. The problem with Roman in the past is that Kaepernick never had a good enough head for the game(and terrible mechanics, worse than Lamar's), and in Buffalo Tyrod wasn't bad, but he wasn't good either. If you look at Lamar as a QB, he's a guy who's looking to pass first, who is smart enough to take what the defense gives him and as the season went on, he's not afraid to take deep shots. He only runs if he absolutely has no choice. Lamar thrives off of playaction rollouts for this reason because he's more than excellent at throwing on the run and if you don't contain him it's going to be a net gain of ten yards for us anyways. I would expect that to be a staple, and I'm frustrated that it wasn't.

Lamar isn't articulate and may not have the book smarts to do well on a Wonderlic, but the kid is methodical in his approach.

What is going to make or beak Lamar's development(assuming full health) at the end of the day isn't Roman's playcalling, or even his mechanics. Those will come in due time, I trust them in that regard. It's going to be whether Lamar learns how to read defenses pre and post snap.... Especially post snap.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
Not sure who it was but I can remember a post asking about where Bozeman is likely to smart. Assuming Harbaugh's hard-on for Hurst and Lewis has finally calmed down, I would honestly put him at LG. Bozeman isn't going to be an all-pro or anything, but I could see him turning into an above average LG. Honestly, I'd want my C in Greg Roman's offense to be more agile. Bozeman is a lot of things, technically sound, strong as a bull, smart, but he's not that. Remember, Roman runs a ton of zone. Bozeman has experience with that, but I'm worried his lack of agility from the C position would hurt that. The LG position is not nearly as important as a lot of people think it is in this scheme. I don't want to hear about Hurst's pulling. He was overrated by the fanbase in that regard. We had Hurst and Skura at G that season(who both SUCK), and the only reason Collins had any success is because of scheme deception once again(Roman really is a genius). You can get away with having less-than stellar athletes at the RT and LG positions in this scheme. Orlando Brown Jr. is going to be a very good RT, but he's not a great athlete.

We really REALLY need a C. It's far and away the biggest need on the team. If we go into next season with Skura starting at the C position, we are not going to go very far.
 

rossihunter2

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https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/greg-roman-is-rolling-college-style-ideas-into-ravens-offense

This is not promising. The Chargers beat us because the offense was a gimmick and saw right through it. The last thing we need is more gimmicks, even if it makes things easier for Lamar. Let's hope that this is just smoke and mirrors.

i have no issues with this at all - he's introducing new concepts to a stale offence with the added benefit of it being more easily teachable and learnable for prospects coming out which is great for 2 reasons:

  1. the prospects are easier to scout because the systems they play in for their colleges are not completely incompatible
  2. the prospects can make an impact earlier in the year because the learning curve is less steep conceptually
he's not saying we're gonna come out and look like navy on steroids again - he's saying we're trying to do what teams like the chiefs and saints did which is find ways to schematically improve using concepts that aren't traditional "pro-concepts"

college ideas don't mean gimmick per se at all

interestingly they're not even adjusting the current scheme and playbook and are literally starting from scratch (or were when they started building the new offence in january) - we're not adapting the same scheme we've had since 2014 (and maybe longer), we're building an entirely new one

to me that's very welcome
 

gtalk12

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A1A

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Not sure who it was but I can remember a post asking about where Bozeman is likely to smart. Assuming Harbaugh's hard-on for Hurst and Lewis has finally calmed down, I would honestly put him at LG. Bozeman isn't going to be an all-pro or anything, but I could see him turning into an above average LG. Honestly, I'd want my C in Greg Roman's offense to be more agile. Bozeman is a lot of things, technically sound, strong as a bull, smart, but he's not that. Remember, Roman runs a ton of zone. Bozeman has experience with that, but I'm worried his lack of agility from the C position would hurt that. The LG position is not nearly as important as a lot of people think it is in this scheme. I don't want to hear about Hurst's pulling. He was overrated by the fanbase in that regard. We had Hurst and Skura at G that season(who both SUCK), and the only reason Collins had any success is because of scheme deception once again(Roman really is a genius). You can get away with having less-than stellar athletes at the RT and LG positions in this scheme. Orlando Brown Jr. is going to be a very good RT, but he's not a great athlete.

We really REALLY need a C. It's far and away the biggest need on the team. If we go into next season with Skura starting at the C position, we are not going to go very far.

I respect your opinion on things more than anyone else here so I have to ask you, is Skura that bad?

I've seen some tape (not a lot) where he looks solid and shows great foot work. Also I've read a few post and saw a few videos where people that break down his play, and they all agree that he is not the problem. The oline works together and if one makes mistakes it then could fall on the next and so on. Hes still very young and has alot of room for development. ie..Jeff Saturday/Matt Paradis

Also Bozeman was said to be not NFL caliber and just a camp body. Look how that turned out, just solidifies my point that the Oline can be addressed in the 3rd/4th/ even 5th rounds. WR in the 1st!.
 

cdp

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https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/greg-roman-is-rolling-college-style-ideas-into-ravens-offense

This is not promising. The Chargers beat us because the offense was a gimmick and saw right through it. The last thing we need is more gimmicks, even if it makes things easier for Lamar. Let's hope that this is just smoke and mirrors.
We're wasting a lot of precious time for rookies to acclimate. Yes our offense incorporated gimmicky plays, but some of the Chiefs and Saints most effective plays are concepts from college with some window dressing. We need to find ways to drastically improve our passing offense and install a scheme which we can adjust on a weekly basis.

Harbaugh and Wink took the same approach last season and rebuilt the defense and it was pretty successful. However we had the right players in place to play this new scheme. On offense we don't have much atm
 

RavensMania

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We're wasting a lot of precious time for rookies to acclimate. Yes our offense incorporated gimmicky plays, but some of the Chiefs and Saints most effective plays are concepts from college with some window dressing. We need to find ways to drastically improve our passing offense and install a scheme which we can adjust on a weekly basis.

Harbaugh and Wink took the same approach last season and rebuilt the defense and it was pretty successful. However we had the right players in place to play this new scheme. On offense we don't have much atm
Andy Reid requires his staff to study the college game every offseason and bring in new plays to update his offense. College Plays. it's definitely doesn't mean "gimmicky".
 

gtalk12

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Lamar looked shook and indecisive, but it doesn't help that almost every o-line got beat (some worse than others).

I was a lot more upset at how we insisted on running the ball in the same direction. That seemed like an issue for me than anything else. They really did not try to do anything different until the 4th quarter.
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
I was a lot more upset at how we insisted on running the ball in the same direction. That seemed like an issue for me than anything else. They really did not try to do anything different until the 4th quarter.
Complete incompetence on the coaching. They did nothing to inspire confidence in him. The fact that they're building an offense complete from scratch is promising for Lamar's development.
 

A1A

Veteran
I was a lot more upset at how we insisted on running the ball in the same direction. That seemed like an issue for me than anything else. They really did not try to do anything different until the 4th quarter.

And the HEAD COACH just stood there after each three and out :sweating:
 

RL52TheGreatest

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Lamar looked shook and indecisive, but it doesn't help that almost every o-line got beat (some worse than others).

Our O-line got bullied and dominated all game; Lamar played horribly, but the line was the main reason we lost IMO. Couldn't establish any running game and Engram was wreaking havoc. Not even Russell Wilson could have pulled off his Houdini act with the way the line was getting pushed around.
 
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