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Lamar Jackson

ALI624

Pro Bowler
Lamar was on First Take yesterday. Thought he was really good, especially with Steven A. Smith shouting incoherent dribble at him.
 

RaineV1

Ravens Ring of Honor
In the long run, I think Jackson is going to be a lot like Flacco. Stretches of brilliance and plenty of games where he'll end up looking lost (like against San Diego). And as it continues, he'll likely split the fanbase a bit, though maybe not to degree of Flacco. But, as long as we get another SB out of it, I'm more than okay with that direction.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
In the long run, I think Jackson is going to be a lot like Flacco. Stretches of brilliance and plenty of games where he'll end up looking lost (like against San Diego). And as it continues, he'll likely split the fanbase a bit, though maybe not to degree of Flacco. But, as long as we get another SB out of it, I'm more than okay with that direction.
too early to tell, either way with me.
 

Edgar

Ravens Ring of Honor
based solely on the wild card game, Lamar has a ton to work on. I like the guy a lot but he was awful. I don't think there is a single throw through three and a half quarters that isn't poor. His mechanics throughout are clumsy and absolutely lead him to be inaccurate to wide open receivers.
he was late with the ball and late with his reads. I would focus all off season on improving how he sees the field and how aware he is of defenses both pre and post snap. The Chargers Zone responsibility during that game was awful as well.

I'm not convinced his mechanics will improve...I suppose they might but I'm not so sure. Invest in the offensive line heavily...protecting him and getting him in rhythm will go a long way.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
based solely on the wild card game, Lamar has a ton to work on. I like the guy a lot but he was awful. I don't think there is a single throw through three and a half quarters that isn't poor. His mechanics throughout are clumsy and absolutely lead him to be inaccurate to wide open receivers.
he was late with the ball and late with his reads. I would focus all off season on improving how he sees the field and how aware he is of defenses both pre and post snap. The Chargers Zone responsibility during that game was awful as well.

I'm not convinced his mechanics will improve...I suppose they might but I'm not so sure. Invest in the offensive line heavily...protecting him and getting him in rhythm will go a long way.
The thing about Lamar is that his mechanics have improved. Lamar's big issue that game was that he did not read the defense properly. At all. The oline got abused like crazy as well. Lamar played a real defense for the first time and Bosa and Ingram feasted.

The oline needs to be addressed. The shit where people declared Skura an average starter was hilariously idiotic when he was getting bailed out by scheme. And you all know that I hate Hurst. Skura more than anything cost us our season. If we could have run the ball with any sort of consistency before Flacco got hurt, we likely don't shit the bed and run away with the division, possibly securing a bye. Skura was by far the biggest culprit.

I'm ready to be disappointed though. Oline has been a need for the past 4 years and we've only gotten Stanley and Yanda, and considerably worse at C and LG. Harbaugh will be more than content with keeping Hurst and Skura because they're his guys. If Eric had any sense his first move as GM, other than canning Marty, would be to cut Skura and Hurst and actually get real players. I'm not asking for world beaters, I'm asking that we don't field total bums.
 

Edgar

Ravens Ring of Honor
The thing about Lamar is that his mechanics have improved. Lamar's big issue that game was that he did not read the defense properly. At all. The oline got abused like crazy as well. Lamar played a real defense for the first time and Bosa and Ingram feasted.

The oline needs to be addressed. The shit where people declared Skura an average starter was hilariously idiotic when he was getting bailed out by scheme. And you all know that I hate Hurst. Skura more than anything cost us our season. If we could have run the ball with any sort of consistency before Flacco got hurt, we likely don't shit the bed and run away with the division, possibly securing a bye. Skura was by far the biggest culprit.

I'm ready to be disappointed though. Oline has been a need for the past 4 years and we've only gotten Stanley and Yanda, and considerably worse at C and LG. Harbaugh will be more than content with keeping Hurst and Skura because they're his guys. If Eric had any sense his first move as GM, other than canning Marty, would be to cut Skura and Hurst and actually get real players. I'm not asking for world beaters, I'm asking that we don't field total bums.
It wasn't just his reads. He was wildly inaccurate on open throws. Late routinely....holding the ball. Much of that is rookie stuff I suppose. But I saw terrible mechanics in that game from him. He was missing throws that could have won the game early.
I could not agree more regarding the line though..... has to be addressed as THE primary concern to my mind as well.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
It wasn't just his reads. He was wildly inaccurate on open throws. Late routinely....holding the ball. Much of that is rookie stuff I suppose. But I saw terrible mechanics in that game from him. He was missing throws that could have won the game early.
I could not agree more regarding the line though..... has to be addressed as THE primary concern to my mind as well.
He's a rookie who went against a great defense. He gets a pass. If he's making these mistakes 3-4 years down the line then we should be worried.
The thing is Lamar went against a real pass rush for the first time in his career and he didn't know what to do.

Much of his problems are fixable in time.
 

Ellicottraven

Ravens Ring of Honor
In the long run, I think Jackson is going to be a lot like Flacco. Stretches of brilliance and plenty of games where he'll end up looking lost (like against San Diego). And as it continues, he'll likely split the fanbase a bit, though maybe not to degree of Flacco. But, as long as we get another SB out of it, I'm more than okay with that direction.
Strongly disagree for the simple reason that everything we've heard about Lamar from his college coaches and coaches here is he is constantly improving and hasn't regressed so far. But, with Flacco you had brilliance followed by bone headedness on a consistent basis. The only consistent thing about Flacco was his inconsistency. Lamar is a much headier QB and sees the field a lot better even as a rookie imo. No comparison between the two. Now, if you told me Lamar's mechanics are terrible I would agree that they need a lot of work but I simply don't agree with his game against San Diego as a sign of Flacco-ism. I think the Ravens were out coached and out played and Jackson was surely overwhelmed on occasion with the speed of that nickel defense.
 

RaineV1

Ravens Ring of Honor
Strongly disagree for the simple reason that everything we've heard about Lamar from his college coaches and coaches here is he is constantly improving and hasn't regressed so far. But, with Flacco you had brilliance followed by bone headedness on a consistent basis. The only consistent thing about Flacco was his inconsistency. Lamar is a much headier QB and sees the field a lot better even as a rookie imo. No comparison between the two. Now, if you told me Lamar's mechanics are terrible I would agree that they need a lot of work but I simply don't agree with his game against San Diego as a sign of Flacco-ism. I think the Ravens were out coached and out played and Jackson was surely overwhelmed on occasion with the speed of that nickel defense.
And with Flacco we had the team constantly screwing him with awful, ever changing OCs/schemes, and WRs that would be third stringers on most teams. Even if he tries to improve Lamar won't get far if we continue doing that.
 

Jacquouille

Ravens Ring of Honor
Supporter
based solely on the wild card game, Lamar has a ton to work on. I like the guy a lot but he was awful. I don't think there is a single throw through three and a half quarters that isn't poor. His mechanics throughout are clumsy and absolutely lead him to be inaccurate to wide open receivers.
he was late with the ball and late with his reads. I would focus all off season on improving how he sees the field and how aware he is of defenses both pre and post snap. The Chargers Zone responsibility during that game was awful as well.

I'm not convinced his mechanics will improve...I suppose they might but I'm not so sure. Invest in the offensive line heavily...protecting him and getting him in rhythm will go a long way.
+1. I've already said it, while he needs to clean up technically, his biggest improvement will come from being able to read coverages pre snap. Chargers ran Cover 3 all game long, you definitely have to be able to know where your throw will go before the ball is snapped in thes conditions.
 

RL52TheGreatest

Ravens Ring of Honor
Strongly disagree for the simple reason that everything we've heard about Lamar from his college coaches and coaches here is he is constantly improving and hasn't regressed so far. But, with Flacco you had brilliance followed by bone headedness on a consistent basis. The only consistent thing about Flacco was his inconsistency. Lamar is a much headier QB and sees the field a lot better even as a rookie imo. No comparison between the two. Now, if you told me Lamar's mechanics are terrible I would agree that they need a lot of work but I simply don't agree with his game against San Diego as a sign of Flacco-ism. I think the Ravens were out coached and out played and Jackson was surely overwhelmed on occasion with the speed of that nickel defense.

Jackson was also overwhelmed by the Chargers' pass-rush because our O-line decided to have one of its worst games of the year and were getting dominated all game. I think it could have turned out a lot differently if our line was playing like they were for the previous 7-8 games.


And with Flacco we had the team constantly screwing him with awful, ever changing OCs/schemes, and WRs that would be third stringers on most teams. Even if he tries to improve Lamar won't get far if we continue doing that.

Hopefully, the FO can look at the Flacco era and recognize the lack of talent that they provided him so that they don't repeat the same mistake with Lamar. I fully expect to see us draft multiple offensive players in the early rounds this year to try and get Lamar some play-makers (and to address our O-line issues).
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
This is in large part more encouraging.

Yeah this just shows me what I thought. He was a rookie. You take the good with the bad. At the end of the game I think a couple of others were right, and that we finally cut him loose and he did so much better. We stll stuck to our shitty and predictable gameplan all the way up until the fourth quarter. The thing that REALLY pisses me off is, that if we had done this just a quarter earlier we likely win that game.

He's not ready to be anointed a franchise QB just yet, but he's not this bust. Frankly none of the five played bad enough to be warranted a bust their first year.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Is there are a primer? forgive me, I'm not sure what it is or how it works.:music:

When the game starts we go through a team selection draft. In the sign up thread you pick a number which will get randomized and this will become the order you pick your team. Once you pick your team you will use the salary cap of that team and through cutting, free agency, trading and the draft you will build that team the way you see fit. I think you would do very well.

In addition, during the draft and team selection, you are given 12 hours to make your pick, because we understand life comes first and people live in multiple countries who play this game.

Esentially you're an armchair GM for an NFL team and you participate in a draft and free agency.
 
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ravenslord

Ravens Ring of Honor
Yeah this just shows me what I thought. He was a rookie. You take the good with the bad. At the end of the game I think a couple of others were right, and that we finally cut him loose and he did so much better. We stll stuck to our shitty and predictable gameplan all the way up until the fourth quarter. The thing that REALLY pisses me off is, that if we had done this just a quarter earlier we likely win that game.

He's not ready to be anointed a franchise QB just yet, but he's not this bust. Frankly none of the five played bad enough to be warranted a bust their first year.

The Chargers knew every fucking play whether we were gonna run or pass.
Thats on our WELL DESERVED FIRED OC! It's probably why he got fired.

Lamar deserved better and so did we. With Lamar's work ethic, I will annoint him a NFL franchise QB right now.

Fuck the naysayers.
 
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