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Lamar Jackson

gtalk12

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Through the first 5 games of 2019:

Lamar Jackson: 1,271 passing yards, 11 TDs, 5 INTs, 99.1 QB rating, 65.4 comp. %, 308 rush yards

Baker Mayfield: 1,247 pass yards, 4 TDs, 8 INTs, 68.5 QB rating, 55.9 comp. %, 0 rush yards


Give Lamar time, I think he is the truth. Think about it, still somewhat a rookie QB and the expectations are high
 

Grim

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I consider him a rookie this year. Last year he had zero time with the 1st team and was only brought in due Joe's injury.
Not being sarcastic but then did you consider Mahomes as being in his rookie year last year when he took the league by storm? I personally didn’t and I disagree on Jackson being in his rookie year this year. I think Jackson was thrown to the fire last year, yes, and feel that this year is more indicative of his abilities and capabilities; however, I can’t just say he’s a rookie this year especially when he gained some experience last year.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
Not being sarcastic but then did you consider Mahomes as being in his rookie year last year when he took the league by storm? I personally didn’t and I disagree on Jackson being in his rookie year this year. I think Jackson was thrown to the fire last year, yes, and feel that this year is more indicative of his abilities and capabilities; however, I can’t just say he’s a rookie this year especially when he gained some experience last year.
He was forced to play with a very cut-down playbook which he learned during the bye week and after not having many practice snaps with ones during training camp. Mahomes learned a full season from Andy Reid and Alex Smith before starting last year. Lamar learned from Marty and Flacco didn't consider working with Lamar to be part of his job.

Comparisons with Mahomes are meaningless. Nobody compares to that boy but Lamar showed he can beat him if D played just a little better.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
He was forced to play with a very cut-down playbook which he learned during the bye week and after not having many practice snaps with ones during training camp. Mahomes learned a full season from Andy Reid and Alex Smith before starting last year. Lamar learned from Marty and Flacco didn't consider working with Lamar to be part of his job.

Comparisons with Mahomes are meaningless. Nobody compares to that boy but Lamar showed he can beat him if D played just a little better.
To be fair, we would’ve won that game if Lamar wasn’t missing all those deep shots. He missed a lot of throws that were guaranteed TDs that game
 

Grim

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He was forced to play with a very cut-down playbook which he learned during the bye week and after not having many practice snaps with ones during training camp. Mahomes learned a full season from Andy Reid and Alex Smith before starting last year. Lamar learned from Marty and Flacco didn't consider working with Lamar to be part of his job.

Comparisons with Mahomes are meaningless. Nobody compares to that boy but Lamar showed he can beat him if D played just a little better.
I agree on the playbook, practice and offense all not being developed with him in mind. The only comparison to Mahomes is the concept that a QB is in his “rookie” year when it didn’t appear to be the plan to start either their first year after drafting them.
 
I want Lamar to be Lamar. I want him to stop listening to his critics and trying to be what they say he can't be. Ryan Clark made a comment that is in line with what I was thinking on several plays in the Steelers game

“He’s taking some of his athleticism away trying to show people that he can sit in the pocket and make throws. There were opportunities [versus Steelers] where he could have used his legs ..." and ended up taking sacks.

There were several times where he held the ball standing in the pocket too long then tried to do his back-door escape and it was closed. He took 2 or 3 sacks like that and maybe another one or two where it didn't qualify as a sack, but got a yard or two - when if he had a shorter clock in his head, he had an escape route and could have gotten some yards. And by some yards - given his elusiveness.

Not to say it is a bad thing for him to resist running after his first read and there is a gap, but vs. Steelers it just seemed like he held the ball to long just being stationary when I feel like his clock needs to tell him when it is time to abandon the pocket and take off.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
I want Lamar to be Lamar. I want him to stop listening to his critics and trying to be what they say he can't be. Ryan Clark made a comment that is in line with what I was thinking on several plays in the Steelers game

“He’s taking some of his athleticism away trying to show people that he can sit in the pocket and make throws. There were opportunities [versus Steelers] where he could have used his legs ..." and ended up taking sacks.

There were several times where he held the ball standing in the pocket too long then tried to do his back-door escape and it was closed. He took 2 or 3 sacks like that and maybe another one or two where it didn't qualify as a sack, but got a yard or two - when if he had a shorter clock in his head, he had an escape route and could have gotten some yards. And by some yards - given his elusiveness.

Not to say it is a bad thing for him to resist running after his first read and there is a gap, but vs. Steelers it just seemed like he held the ball to long just being stationary when I feel like his clock needs to tell him when it is time to abandon the pocket and take off.
Fully agree here. He’s definitely trying too hard to prove a point, I see it often, he tries to sidestep once, twice, even three times in the pocket when he has so many chances to roll out, and the same player he sidesteps simply recovers and makes the play because Lamar has bought himself no time by creating space
 

ravenslord

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I would like to see some plays where Lamar ball fakes the run and then rolls out to throw 10 yard darts . Ive seen none of this this year.
 

Tank

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I want Lamar to be Lamar. I want him to stop listening to his critics and trying to be what they say he can't be. Ryan Clark made a comment that is in line with what I was thinking on several plays in the Steelers game

“He’s taking some of his athleticism away trying to show people that he can sit in the pocket and make throws. There were opportunities [versus Steelers] where he could have used his legs ..." and ended up taking sacks.

There were several times where he held the ball standing in the pocket too long then tried to do his back-door escape and it was closed. He took 2 or 3 sacks like that and maybe another one or two where it didn't qualify as a sack, but got a yard or two - when if he had a shorter clock in his head, he had an escape route and could have gotten some yards. And by some yards - given his elusiveness.

Not to say it is a bad thing for him to resist running after his first read and there is a gap, but vs. Steelers it just seemed like he held the ball to long just being stationary when I feel like his clock needs to tell him when it is time to abandon the pocket and take off.

Last week I was screaming for some roll out/moving pocket plays to slow the rush, seems they've shrunk the playbook.
 

Adreme

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Right now my biggest gripe with Lamar is that I worry he is trying too hard to pass over run and that results in him trying to force throws that were not there. I recently saw that he has the 5th highest rate of interceptable balls in the NFL (I love the new age stats) and that certainly shows.

For those wondering Winston is by far number 1 at 9% and Lamar is 5.2%.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
Guys, we can’t call for designed rollouts, ya know why?

.... because we’ve seen them often and they have basically a 100% fail rate and we all throw a goddamn fit every time. The power sweep passes are ineffective and also just hideous to watch, as soon as you see the line roll with the qb you know an incompletion or sack is coming. The only time it has ever worked is when it was designed for Lamar to throw back across his body, and that is a very risky play.

We don’t need that. What we need is for Lamar to just be himself and roll out when the opportunity is presented, or boots and waggles, we love running right on first down so much that teams just crash tf out of the right every first down, so take advantage, fake it from under center and roll Lamar left as the line downblocks right, run Hollywood on a zig out of the slot so it looks like he’s gonna block right, have him cut back late so Lamar can hit him in stride while the whole defense is pursuing opposite his direction, he’s the fastest goddamn player on the field and won’t be caught. How we haven’t figured out these kinds of things is beyond me
 

ravenslord

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Guys, we can’t call for designed rollouts, ya know why?

.... because we’ve seen them often and they have basically a 100% fail rate and we all throw a goddamn fit every time. The power sweep passes are ineffective and also just hideous to watch, as soon as you see the line roll with the qb you know an incompletion or sack is coming. The only time it has ever worked is when it was designed for Lamar to throw back across his body, and that is a very risky play.

We don’t need that. What we need is for Lamar to just be himself and roll out when the opportunity is presented, or boots and waggles, we love running right on first down so much that teams just crash tf out of the right every first down, so take advantage, fake it from under center and roll Lamar left as the line downblocks right, run Hollywood on a zig out of the slot so it looks like he’s gonna block right, have him cut back late so Lamar can hit him in stride while the whole defense is pursuing opposite his direction, he’s the fastest goddamn player on the field and won’t be caught. How we haven’t figured out these kinds of things is beyond me
How bout an occasional screen? Lamar is getting hammered back there the last few games.
 

Edgar

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speaking of screens...

this from Zrebiec:

Roman said screens and short passes to Marquise Brown are something team would like to add into offense. Didn’t quite pinpoint why we haven’t seen any of that yet other than to say you can’t show everything at once.
Given the amount of cushion that Brown gets, it sure seems like a play worth running. I am surprised we haven't seen a bunched or at least with close splits look featuring marquise, Willie and Boykin. Boykin is pretty physical as a blocker and more than capable of being the receiver in that context. marquise is obviously slippery and explosive and Willie is an underrated after the catch guy.
 
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