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General Draft Thoughts

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
God damn skippy I like raegor. He’s not just a really dangerous deep threat, he’s possibly the scariest home run hitter in the class.

also, think about this... what was the X factor that got us over the SB hump? Return man/WR making plays in both phases. I’ve been really big on making sure we get a returner out of this class, raegor is the most dangerous one by far
I'd rather take Aiyuk for that role.
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
I don’t know how it will be possible, and it probably won’t be, but I’d be ok with completely overlooking the defense if we could land: Cesar Ruiz, jaelen raegor, and Damien Lewis. To get those first 2 we would almost certainly need to trade Judon for a 2, or trade a future 2 to move up. But that would have our OL set to be DOMINANT in 2020 and for as long as yanda stays, and it would still be a bully even after yanda retires, it would also finally give us a dangerous returner and homerun bitter at WR ala mecole hardman in KC.

Every offseason is now gonna be an arms race between us and KC, who can get the pieces to get one more stop than the other, who can get the pieces to get one more big play than the other. I feel like this class is sneaky good at IOL and obviously loaded at WR and I just want us to capitalize because as badly as we need edge and ILB and DL, we need those just as badly and this class supports one and not the other.
You really think both Ruiz & Raegor are gone by the time we make our 2nd round pick? I think Ruiz could go late first to mid second so I agree there but on Raegor I think he’s solidly a late second to mid third. It’s not because of talent but it’s a stacked class with various types of receivers and I think he could go below other big body guys.
What about that DE from penn state? Is he any good
Gross-Matos? I suspect he’ll be a mid first round pick at the latest.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
You really think both Ruiz & Raegor are gone by the time we make our 2nd round pick? I think Ruiz could go late first to mid second so I agree there but on Raegor I think he’s solidly a late second to mid third. It’s not because of talent but it’s a stacked class with various types of receivers and I think he could go below other big body guys.

Gross-Matos? I suspect he’ll be a mid first round pick at the latest.

reagor's getting 1st round buzz all over the media - i would be shocked if he made it to our 2nd pick
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
You really think both Ruiz & Raegor are gone by the time we make our 2nd round pick? I think Ruiz could go late first to mid second so I agree there but on Raegor I think he’s solidly a late second to mid third. It’s not because of talent but it’s a stacked class with various types of receivers and I think he could go below other big body guys.

Gross-Matos? I suspect he’ll be a mid first round pick at the latest.
Raegor is universally one of the top wr prospects, quite a few folks would have him as the top prospect outside of that obvious A-tier(jeudy, lamb, ruggs) and I agree, I have him firmly as my WR4 and the speed alone should have him easily going too half of 2 at the absolute latest.
 

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
You really think both Ruiz & Raegor are gone by the time we make our 2nd round pick? I think Ruiz could go late first to mid second so I agree there but on Raegor I think he’s solidly a late second to mid third. It’s not because of talent but it’s a stacked class with various types of receivers and I think he could go below other big body guys.

Gross-Matos? I suspect he’ll be a mid first round pick at the latest.
I wouldnt be surprised if Reagor goes in 1st before our i pick came up. He plays like a little lesser version of odell to me.. once he runs a 4.3 and have that 36+ inch vert at combine, its a wrap
 

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
Raegor is universally one of the top wr prospects, quite a few folks would have him as the top prospect outside of that obvious A-tier(jeudy, lamb, ruggs) and I agree, I have him firmly as my WR4 and the speed alone should have him easily going too half of 2 at the absolute latest.
I havent wstched anything on ruggs yet but seen some bama games and i only remember him catching deep balls and slants.. is he really a top 3 wr prospect?
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
I havent wstched anything on ruggs yet but seen some bama games and i only remember him catching deep balls and slants.. is he really a top 3 wr prospect?

he runs a lot more than just that - if he was really just fast then he wouldnt be a threat to the top 20 - he's not a technician yet but he creates separation with his twitch and runs a pretty decent sized route tree
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
You wild af
Reagor will go early and if we draft WR early, I want a different type player- Reagor is much like Hollywood but not as good.
This guy Aiyuk can be had later and is pretty good - very smooth, no hesitation in route and great YAC / return guy.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
Reagor will go early and if we draft WR early, I want a different type player- Reagor is much like Hollywood but not as good.
This guy Aiyuk can be had later and is pretty good - very smooth, no hesitation in route and great YAC / return guy.
I just respectfully disagree. Raegor was hurt terribly by qb play and still showed some incredible talent.

I don’t believe he’s better than Hollywood, but I do believe he does some things better, he’s much more of a YAC weapon, he’s much more capable of climbing the ladder and snagging tough catches in traffic, and as I said in other posts his cuts are extremely impressive, if he can refine his route running and learn to pair some smarts with that explosive change of direction he has jerry jeudy route running potential, they are the only 2 in the class that can change direction as well as they can.

Aiyuk I think is firmly a round below raegor. I’d feel fine with raegor at 28, I’d be pissed with aiyuk there, he just looks really basic to me, good YAC guy with good long speed and length but he’s not the most sudden/explosive and he isn’t a particularly quality route runner either, he’s kinda meh for me with a nice ceiling IF he develops his route running.
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
CT Scan for Tua went extremely well and he is recovering well. Hip and range of motion was good, another month before being cleared for football activities.

Lions be fielding phone calls for that third pick like crazy until Draft Night.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
CT Scan for Tua went extremely well and he is recovering well. Hip and range of motion was good, another month before being cleared for football activities.

Lions be fielding phone calls for that third pick like crazy until Draft Night.

the whole league is adamant that tua is the qb the dolphins want - in which case they're going to have to go and pick at number 3 - alternatively this is the best smokescreen ever and they actually want a different qb so teams dont snipe in front of them for the qb they want

that being said i really dont think herbert's close - i mean honestly if tua didnt have the hip we'd be talking about tua vs burrow for qb 1 rather than tua vs herbert for qb 2 (which i think is a stupid conversation tbh)
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
the whole league is adamant that tua is the qb the dolphins want - in which case they're going to have to go and pick at number 3 - alternatively this is the best smokescreen ever and they actually want a different qb so teams dont snipe in front of them for the qb they want

that being said i really dont think herbert's close - i mean honestly if tua didnt have the hip we'd be talking about tua vs burrow for qb 1 rather than tua vs herbert for qb 2 (which i think is a stupid conversation tbh)

Regardless of how positive the results are, a team looking to add veteran help as a short term someone should look into trading up to 3 and getting him. Let him sit and recover a year or two before starting him. I can see the Lions getting an impressive haul if a team wants to outbid the Dolphins.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
the whole league is adamant that tua is the qb the dolphins want - in which case they're going to have to go and pick at number 3 - alternatively this is the best smokescreen ever and they actually want a different qb so teams dont snipe in front of them for the qb they want

that being said i really dont think herbert's close - i mean honestly if tua didnt have the hip we'd be talking about tua vs burrow for qb 1 rather than tua vs herbert for qb 2 (which i think is a stupid conversation tbh)

With 3 1st's the Phins could easily trade up to 3 by throwing 2 1's back at the Lions. Plus the Lions would only move back 2 spots. I actually believe we could get back to talking about Tua vs Burrows for 1st overall.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Regardless of how positive the results are, a team looking to add veteran help as a short term someone should look into trading up to 3 and getting him. Let him sit and recover a year or two before starting him. I can see the Lions getting an impressive haul if a team wants to outbid the Dolphins.

i think the dolphins are perfectly happy with ryan fitzpatrick with Tua sitting until he's ready - but let's also be clear, they won't be sitting Tua if he's healthy enough to play and has the playbook down etc. and if Tua is cleared for football activities by the time training camp starts then id be incredibly surprised if he isnt starting early in year 1

no way he sits a year or 2 if he's healthy - and it sounds like he expects to be cleared for at least some footballing activities this offseason

honestly i think the dolphins make a play at number 3 just to secure the pick and the lions wont mind because they can move back 2 spots and then still be the prime trade candidate for teams that want to get ahead of the chargers for the 3rd qb - lions could get the opportunity to pick up 2 hauls if they can get the dolphins to trade with them
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
reagor's getting 1st round buzz all over the media - i would be shocked if he made it to our 2nd pick
Raegor is universally one of the top wr prospects, quite a few folks would have him as the top prospect outside of that obvious A-tier(jeudy, lamb, ruggs) and I agree, I have him firmly as my WR4 and the speed alone should have him easily going too half of 2 at the absolute latest.
I wouldnt be surprised if Reagor goes in 1st before our i pick came up. He plays like a little lesser version of odell to me.. once he runs a 4.3 and have that 36+ inch vert at combine, its a wrap
I really like Reagor but 1st round pick? Maybe I need to watch more games but I don’t see it; however, I haven’t done a big board so I’ll take your word on it. So what’s your big board if you have him as a first round pick that goes before we’re OTC?
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
I really like Reagor but 1st round pick? Maybe I need to watch more games but I don’t see it; however, I haven’t done a big board so I’ll take your word on it. So what’s your big board if you have him as a first round pick that goes before we’re OTC?

not sure yet but ive got him as WR4 right now - with the way my board is stacked right now there are 12 players who are definitely above him and then he's in the next talent tier of about 20 players - which would put him in the top 32 for sure on my board right now but where exactly in the top 32 i dont know yet

i hadnt counted them before lol but that 32 is a nice neat number lol - so he'd be somewhere between 13 and 32 on my board
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
I really like Reagor but 1st round pick? Maybe I need to watch more games but I don’t see it; however, I haven’t done a big board so I’ll take your word on it. So what’s your big board if you have him as a first round pick that goes before we’re OTC?
I’ll admit with no shame that I don’t do big boards, because big boards include prospects that I’m never gonna watch because I don’t like the idea of drafting them for whatever reasons.

I have him as a first rounder simply because I like his skill set, ceiling, and the fact that he not only fits our philosophy and fills a major need, but also fills a second major need by giving us the first returner we’ve had since jacoby.

I give players round designations pretty simple, would I be okay with the ravens taking this player in this round? If the answer is yes, that’s the grade I give them lol. I’d be fine with raegor in 1.

really I don’t see the kind of shortcomings that would knock him down to a second round grade, as in he doesn’t have enough negative in his game for me to say I would not take him in round 1, but that doesn’t mean he’s my favorite option for us at 28, nor does it mean I wouldn’t prefer to get him in 2 if possible
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
not sure yet but ive got him as WR4 right now - with the way my board is stacked right now there are 12 players who are definitely above him and then he's in the next talent tier of about 20 players - which would put him in the top 32 for sure on my board right now but where exactly in the top 32 i dont know yet

i hadnt counted them before lol but that 32 is a nice neat number lol - so he'd be somewhere between 13 and 32 on my board
That would be a pretty epic first round though for WR. I don’t know if that many WR have gone that early that fast. I think I’ve heard that like 6-7 WR are first round talents. That kinda stuff makes me roll my eyes a bit but I know the class is strong. I just don’t know if I can buy into the idea of a heavy early WR run
 
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