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Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
I do, and trust me I want so badly to leave but I just can’t, I got a 4 year old and another on the way, I want him close to his grandparents. Me and my wife fully plan on going to SC or FL when the kids are grown. We actually were debating doing it for our first house but ultimately we’re just too tight knit to do that right now

West Va is not far and real estate is real cheap if you're looking more local.
 

gtalk12

Ravens Ring of Honor
Nothing private lol, I went from working construction, to trade school, and into a trade. trump got elected while I was still in trade school.

I’m certainly making more now than I was then, a lot more. And I’m also married, but back in 2015 which was the last time I was regularly working 40 or more before school, I was claiming 2 on tax returns and was paying 29% of my check in taxes(not including healthcare), 3 years earlier, claiming 1 I was paying 32%. I was working OT most weeks at $12/hr and paying 32% of that wage in state and fed taxes, in 2020 claiming 1 as married, my percentage of wages paid in taxes is in the teens. It’s been a massive difference in taxes and healthcare, and when I say massive I mean life altering shit, if I was taxed at the same rate I was taxed from 2012-2015 and paid the same in healthcare I wouldn’t be able to afford my
House and car payment, I wasn’t a property owner back then so idk about property taxes and I damn sure hope I don’t arrive to a harsh reality in that regard...


I recently took a position at a different brand. Once I get everything settled I intend to open up my ADP app and compare how much money I've paid in taxes. I started to make good money roughly 4 years ago when I went from a sales person to a Sales Manager. I live in South Florida and I swear to you I was paying a lot in taxes.


I intend to follow up with this. Thank you for sharing.
 

flynismo

Practice Squad
i get it guys, orange man bad, and ill give you climate denying which was a huge problem i had with trump even as a reluctant trump supporter, but other than that, lets hear what you think is going to be an improvement over trump with biden and harris...

opening the floodgates to outsource manufacturing to other countries again?

how about the radical criminal justice measures that have been hallmarks of biden's and harris' careers? yeah i guess theyve never disenfranchised a group of people before... im sure these 2 are gonna handle the police issues in this country very well

how about the softening of rhetoric towards the likes of iran and NK and china?

or is it the paris climate accord which was basically a group of nations saying "hey america, pollute less and also pay 90% of this funding pool while we do nothing about the pollution coming from the likes of india and china and their bordering nations" which accounts for nearly ALL pollution in the world(relatively speaking)

or how about the hammer that is about to come down on small business? how about the almost certain increase in property taxes? gas prices? hammering down on the oil industry decades before we are prepared to do such a thing? reduced military budget?

i get it, trump wasnt the most likeable guy, and the climate denying was a problem, as was his penchant for wording things very poorly, and childish antics from time to time, but he was all about ONE thing, keeping our economy in a solid place, and he did a hell of a job with it.

anecdotal story; back in 2012 when i first started trying to be a real adult, i lost 32% of my paycheck to taxes, THIRTY TWO PERCENT ON A $480 CHECK!!! few years later when i decided i needed health insurance and ACA was in full effect it cost me $49 per pay period(1 week paycheck) and my deductible was $4500, the next year my weekly premium shot up to over $60 and i had to cancel health insurance because i couldnt afford it, but i was already paying back my $4500 deductible after having an appendectomy the previous year, so im paying an outrageous health coverage cost and didnt even have health coverage, this is all on top of losing literally an entire one third of my check to taxes, nearly half of my weak ass paycheck went to taxes and some healthcare related cost, i had ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE at getting ahead in life. fast forward to trump years, In 2019, making essentially double what i made in 2012, the TOTAL COMBINED EXPENSES on my paycheck were around 21%, so that means: all fed and state taxes, and health insurance premiums, combined for under 21% of my check, and my deductible is $1000, i was losing an entire third of my check WITHOUT health insurance prior to that.

the financial freedom that the average american has been given as a result of trumps policies is exactly why we voted for him, and he succeeded, the proof is in the pudding, me, my parents, my in laws, my peers, we all have concrete evidence of trumps successes, it has had a major impact on our lives. you can talk until youre blue in the face about how trump is insensitive but i do not give a single fuck, if i go back to losing a third of my paycheck and gas prices are over $4 a gallon and my healthcare costs me $150 a week for me, my wife, and son, well then im just gonna start breaking the fucking law to afford the life that ive worked so hard to build and maintain. no sorry sack of shit in the oval office is gonna fucking take away my livelihood the way obama did, the average american was absolutely handcuffed the first half of the 2010s, no chance to prosper or advance due to crushing taxes and healthcare costs, i wont let the same govt. first policies handcuff me again and keep food out of my kids mouths. @rossihunter2 with all due respect you do not and never have lived in the US and have never at any point been affected by american democrat policies, which essentially consist of taxing the living piss out of everyone and overregulation, so you can rejoice because orange man isnt around to say rude things anymore, but just understand that you arent going to see your daily life affected the way we are.


Biden is literally everything the democrats have tried to portray Trump as: racist, inarticulate, sexual predator, incompetent. Only difference is he isn't orange.
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
Idk what you're referring to when you say that Newsom and Cuomo have been having a tough time exerting executive authority during the pandemic. I live in California and most nonessential businesses have been closed indefinitely or intermittently since March and there has been an executive mask mandate in place. Here's a graphic of all the closures as well as an AP article explaining some of the new restrictions. https://www.latimes.com/projects/ca...-tracking-outbreak/reopening-across-counties/
https://apnews.com/article/gavin-ne...rus-pandemic-57c512f74f73f628ed5eee52ae62ced7

In regards to the vaccine, I'm fairly sure we're going to need an executive order mandating the vaccine if it comes to that because congress will be split regarding the manner. The legal challenge will definitely follow but the court case I cited should prevail and hold up the executive order.
Heres a different citation for you that's non wikipedia https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2004.055152

I don't know what will happen but I think things aren't going to settle down for quite a while. It also doesn't help that Cuomo and Newsome along with other Dems have been doing everything they have been telling us not to do. The Denver Mayor went on about limiting the amount of people for Thanksgiving, and stuff but he flew out to have Thanksgiving with his family even though he told people to stay home. I visited Cali a couple years ago for my work and while it's nice to visit, I wouldn't live there lol. I don't know how people do it with the ridiculous high taxes.

As for the vaccine, if that becomes mandatory then Americans are going to strike back and refuse to take that. Biden/Harris are going to have to tread very lightly, the American people have awaken and based on Dems losing seats in the house, I'd say the mid-terms should be interesting.

Also does anyone else find it particularly strange Harris hasn't given up her Senate seat yet?
 

Charm City

Pro Bowler
I don't know what will happen but I think things aren't going to settle down for quite a while. It also doesn't help that Cuomo and Newsome along with other Dems have been doing everything they have been telling us not to do. The Denver Mayor went on about limiting the amount of people for Thanksgiving, and stuff but he flew out to have Thanksgiving with his family even though he told people to stay home. I visited Cali a couple years ago for my work and while it's nice to visit, I wouldn't live there lol. I don't know how people do it with the ridiculous high taxes.

As for the vaccine, if that becomes mandatory then Americans are going to strike back and refuse to take that. Biden/Harris are going to have to tread very lightly, the American people have awaken and based on Dems losing seats in the house, I'd say the mid-terms should be interesting.

Also does anyone else find it particularly strange Harris hasn't given up her Senate seat yet?
Yeah I don't envision things improving until maybe March at the earliest. Even though the vaccine should be widely available by February, I don't think people are going to be lining up to get it immediately and its going to be pretty difficult to get the public to comply en masse. In terms of politicians being hypocritical, its unfortunately occurring on both sides of the aisle and gaining trust from the public regarding the severity of the pandemic is being undermined because of it.

Our wages in California are normally higher than lower COL states but that doesn't come close to keeping up with the taxes and high COL here. I actually go to school in Wisconsin and it definitely seems like a nicer place to live and I'd rather start my career somewhere similar to there than in Los Angeles where I grew up.
 

JoeyFlex5

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I think he was born after a sloth and turtle were forced to mate in captivity!
his face look like a nutsack and a porkchop mated.

how tf you got more neck than you got chin?

like bruh you got a morbidly obese neck under a skinny frail old mans face.

lookin like don vito lost weight everywhere but his neck

cant stand this mfs neck
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
Well this is interesting. This article was from last week but apparently a small amount of people in Japan are protesting Biden's Presidential win in the US. I'm assuming this has something to do with them being fearful of Biden's connection to China and his son having his issues as well.

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14013938
 

JO_75

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If yesterday was any indication.... things are going to get worse before it gets better. What a sad day yesterday was for the United States.

If only we could stop fighting ourselves and realize that's what the elites and career politicians want us to be doing. The 2 party system is broken beyond repair. Also Pence just turned a 180 and flipped on Trump proving he's apart of the deep state and always had been. The US is SOL for the next 4 years.
 

rossihunter2

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If yesterday was any indication.... things are going to get worse before it gets better. What a sad day yesterday was for the United States.

If only we could stop fighting ourselves and realize that's what the elites and career politicians want us to be doing. The 2 party system is broken beyond repair. Also Pence just turned a 180 and flipped on Trump proving he's apart of the deep state and always had been. The US is SOL for the next 4 years.

you're really gonna "deep state" this?

you just had white supremacist domestic terrorists disrupt the peaceful transition by walking into the capitol building of your country basically unopposed by the police or security forces, ransack the premises, plant explosive devices and then leave with minimal arrests

the only "deep state" seemingly here is whatever's going on in the background with the police and white supremacist terrorist groups
 
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