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The 2021 Offseason Thread

UPennChem

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which goes against the mission statement of the offseason personnel-wise - both harbs and EDC were adamant that the biggest place to improve was the OL - and we'd suddenly be trading away our 2nd best OL at the position we have the least/worst depth

if orlando does go you basically have to put tackle on day 1 or day 2 in the draft in ink

Totally agree. I just don't see them moving him. Though there is one part of me that remembers EDC loves absolutely fleecing other NFL GMs and he might pull the haul of a lifetime out of OBJ hahaha. If anyone could do it, it would be him. I'm hoping though if the offers are only fair or decent, he says no thank you.
 

Simba

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I just don't like the additional hole this opens up, and almost gets rid of BPA which we use so religiously. Hard to see all of the holes and then pick a DL or something. I know you build long term but you also just don't have NFL quality at some positions right now and we don't have the cap space to play in FA that much, either.

Primary Needs: WR, iOL, OT, OLB

Secondary Needs: TE, young DL, slot CB, S

Really the only positions we don't have to touch are QB, RB, and ILB.

Ideally you can address at least 2 needs in FA and that can open it up a little more if you get a premier pick in return for Brown. But it's still a risky game to play.
 

rossihunter2

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I just don't like the additional hole this opens up, and almost gets rid of BPA which we use so religiously. Hard to see all of the holes and then pick a DL or something. I know you build long term but you also just don't have NFL quality at some positions right now and we don't have the cap space to play in FA that much, either.

Primary Needs: WR, iOL, OT, OLB

Secondary Needs: TE, young DL, slot CB, S

Really the only positions we don't have to touch are QB, RB, and ILB.

Ideally you can address at least 2 needs in FA and that can open it up a little more if you get a premier pick in return for Brown. But it's still a risky game to play.

i think that's why it has to be a substantial package to get us to let go of Orlando - the picks we get back to me basically have to give us a shot at drafting a rookie tackle as well as someone (or multiple someones) else otherwise why would we do the deal...

luckily for us this draft is strong at positions of need for us - WR is strong and deep (especially at slot), OT is loaded (which is partly why i think we might be entertaining the orlando situation more than in other years), IOL is pretty strong too, OLB hasn't got any supreme talents at the top like there have been most years (see clowney 2014, bosa 2016, garrett 2017, bosa 2019, young 2020) but there seems to be a lot of depth

DL looks a bit weak to me so far, as does TE
 

Deebo813

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It's *** so dont get too stuck on this but...



it really doesn't seem to be about the money if this is true...
but maybe it's a Hurst situation where we realise that the player doesn't want to be here and we try and make sure we recoup as much value as we can while facilitating that for the player

the value would have to be great though - otherwise we're just being robbed of a really good RT

Got dammit. I hope we rob someone or get an early 1st.
 

Grim

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which goes against the mission statement of the offseason personnel-wise - both harbs and EDC were adamant that the biggest place to improve was the OL - and we'd suddenly be trading away our 2nd best OL at the position we have the least/worst depth

if orlando does go you basically have to put tackle on day 1 or day 2 in the draft in ink
I think it does to an extent but that's exactly why it would take a premium haul to part with Brown Jr. You don't let him go for nothing but the deal has to be substantial for us to let him go. It's a hard move because teams could definitely draft a tackle, but you do get something more sure fire with Orlando. Then again, if I was trading for him I also would be worried about his conditioning and if he would crap out on my team too. There's a reason he did go in the 3rd. Combine isn't everything but I would be cautious as a GM.
I still feel like this is "no shit" reporting rather than anything substantial. I'm sure there have been many calls and lots of interest. And if the Ravens get an offer to their liking, they'll take it. Just not sure there's anything new here.
That's how I have always seen it. For the record, I don't think Orlando goes anywhere but if he did get traded it would need to be a haul for him. I think if we want to trade him now is the time though. I don't think his value will be higher later because teams may have to cut players to get under the cap or make moves and some RTs or OL guys could be casualties. Those guys could make teams sign them instead. So many variables here honestly.
I just don't like the additional hole this opens up, and almost gets rid of BPA which we use so religiously. Hard to see all of the holes and then pick a DL or something. I know you build long term but you also just don't have NFL quality at some positions right now and we don't have the cap space to play in FA that much, either.

Primary Needs: WR, iOL, OT, OLB

Secondary Needs: TE, young DL, slot CB, S

Really the only positions we don't have to touch are QB, RB, and ILB.

Ideally you can address at least 2 needs in FA and that can open it up a little more if you get a premier pick in return for Brown. But it's still a risky game to play.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I know it seems like the obvious problem but I do think we can still stick to BPA. There's guys to be had throughout the draft and I don't think you go into the draft expecting to get the OT you want. From what I heard that we do, we target guys in rounds and when those guys are available either at or later than expected we pounce. We certainly could go OT early, but I think we need one regardless--whether we trade Brown or not. We all know Orlando is gone after this year.
i think that's why it has to be a substantial package to get us to let go of Orlando - the picks we get back to me basically have to give us a shot at drafting a rookie tackle as well as someone (or multiple someones) else otherwise why would we do the deal...

luckily for us this draft is strong at positions of need for us - WR is strong and deep (especially at slot), OT is loaded (which is partly why i think we might be entertaining the orlando situation more than in other years), IOL is pretty strong too, OLB hasn't got any supreme talents at the top like there have been most years (see clowney 2014, bosa 2016, garrett 2017, bosa 2019, young 2020) but there seems to be a lot of depth

DL looks a bit weak to me so far, as does TE
I don't think we need to take an OT early or with our first pick. Not saying we won't or shouldn't, but I don't think trading Brown Jr means you need to make that move. It's really not what I have seen from the team before. I disagree that it would be a lateral move. Whoever we get is likely a downgrade at RT but the margin is the question. We also lose LT depth which is the biggest problem, but we needed that anyway.
 

JAAM

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Simba

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I think it does to an extent but that's exactly why it would take a premium haul to part with Brown Jr. You don't let him go for nothing but the deal has to be substantial for us to let him go. It's a hard move because teams could definitely draft a tackle, but you do get something more sure fire with Orlando. Then again, if I was trading for him I also would be worried about his conditioning and if he would crap out on my team too. There's a reason he did go in the 3rd. Combine isn't everything but I would be cautious as a GM.

That's how I have always seen it. For the record, I don't think Orlando goes anywhere but if he did get traded it would need to be a haul for him. I think if we want to trade him now is the time though. I don't think his value will be higher later because teams may have to cut players to get under the cap or make moves and some RTs or OL guys could be casualties. Those guys could make teams sign them instead. So many variables here honestly.

I don't think that's necessarily true. I know it seems like the obvious problem but I do think we can still stick to BPA. There's guys to be had throughout the draft and I don't think you go into the draft expecting to get the OT you want. From what I heard that we do, we target guys in rounds and when those guys are available either at or later than expected we pounce. We certainly could go OT early, but I think we need one regardless--whether we trade Brown or not. We all know Orlando is gone after this year.

I don't think we need to take an OT early or with our first pick. Not saying we won't or shouldn't, but I don't think trading Brown Jr means you need to make that move. It's really not what I have seen from the team before. I disagree that it would be a lateral move. Whoever we get is likely a downgrade at RT but the margin is the question. We also lose LT depth which is the biggest problem, but we needed that anyway.

In regards to the BPA thing, I'm certainly not saying that we absolutely need to target a guy in round 1 to replace Brown, but I also don't think we can wait until like round 6 if we don't get a guy in FA. Just puts a little added pressure and really requires the board falling almost perfectly in order to fill the holes. I'm sure they have a plan though.
 

rossihunter2

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I don't think we need to take an OT early or with our first pick. Not saying we won't or shouldn't, but I don't think trading Brown Jr means you need to make that move. It's really not what I have seen from the team before. I disagree that it would be a lateral move. Whoever we get is likely a downgrade at RT but the margin is the question. We also lose LT depth which is the biggest problem, but we needed that anyway.

if we lose orlando and don't replace him with a high pick we'd be completely condemning that position...

we don't even have a backup tackle of even below-average replacement level right now - we'd be running it back with Tyre Phillips at RT... which is a horrible thought

so we would be basically forced into making a high pick at that position... because we'd only have 1 actual tackle on the roster...
 

BoredMarine13

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we don't even have a backup tackle of even below-average replacement level right now - we'd be running it back with Tyre Phillips at RT... which is a horrible thought

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RavensMania

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except for WRs not QBs

think it's far more likely that Tee Martin's the guy who's on the pathway towards becoming a coordinator etc - maybe im wrong but keith williams doesnt necessarily seem like that's the career track he wants to be on...
Tee Martin was one of the QB's picked before TB.
 

gtalk12

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this sounds like a step in the right direction.

culley was... idek how the fuck hes in this position now lol, like im crossing my fingers that culley was a problem as well as roman


Somebody pulled up some history on Culley and it looked terrible as it pertains to the pass game. I wish I would have kept it
 

purplepittabread88

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I think after seeing deals like Buckner last year teams with cap space could be way more inclined to trade first rounders or some seconds for players like OBJ or in his situation. The old NFL advised everything against it
But from this perspective and I'm a chargers fan at 13-
You can either reach for Christian Darrisaw and hope (with probably what, a 25% chance) of him ever being a pro bowler, wait for him to develop and risk Herbert getting murdered, and hope he progresses and doesn't get injured constantly.
Or you could trade of OBJ, have a 24 year old 2 time pro bowler, know he is a leader, starts day 1 at left tackle, and never has had an injury issue.
I do really understand the traditional love for draft picks. But the league does evolve for a reason.
 
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