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rmcjacket23

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but who says it's more than reasonable? why does a guy who's shown a pattern of poor behaviour deserve to make millions of dollars?

the fact of the matter is that being racist is frankly just unacceptable, as it should be - i dont get why it's seen as disproportionate for people to want him not hired...

it's not about him forever being ostracised but he's done nothing in the period between being outed as a racist and getting hired in a new job that would suggest he's made any sort of personal growth that would indicate he's going to be different in his new job...

and it should be on him to prove that he's changed and that naturally would take some time...
1. Why does he deserve to make what he makes? Well, that should be up to his employer. Since his employer is the one paying him the millions (which this guy isn't making millions, anyway), and the general public is paying him nothing, the burden of determining "worth" should fall on the people responsible for paying him.
2. I'm not questioning whether racism is acceptable. I do kind of question why being a racist means people will invest their free time to make sure a single racist doesn't have employment, but I guess its their free time and they can do what they want with it.
3. My point is... period of time doesn't matter. There is no period of time. Its purely arbitrary. In many, many, many cases, the period of time is either indefinite, or perpetual, and there's no level of contrition that's going to reduce that period of time.

In today's climate, you would be better off being running a dog-fighting ring, while murdering dogs, than you would being a racist. Domestic violence of almost any kind is slowly becoming more "tolerable" than being a racist. Multiple DUI's is better than being a racist. All three of those segments would get 2nd and even 3rd chances much faster than a racist would in this climate.

There's actually very few things on planet Earth that would be labeled as being worse than being a racist right now. That's the level of "culture" we are at.
 

BoredMarine13

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To me getting a backlash from the general public when you act like that just sounds like the natural consequences of your own actions. Doyle, and people like him could easily avoid "cancel culture" by just not acting like that in the first place, or at least by showing that they know what they did was wrong.

And yeah, the general public should be skeptical of actions of those in power, especially when it rewards scummy people like this. In a democratic society that's not only a good thing, it's flat out necessary.

Let’s not liken a Twitter outburst to democracy, but yea I get where your coming from.

Yes question those in power but that also applies to the platforms we use. Obviously , serious censorship occurs in those platforms so let’s not pretend they are the all encompassing high ground.

Cancel culture and censorship are serious problems. The Doyle situation is just a bad example because of the timing and his lack of remorse. Regardless, who’s to say he wasn’t going to gather the team and give a heart felt apology for past actions and his desire to be a better man ?? A reformed man given a second chance seems better than a dejected, depressed, and unemployed man.


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RaineV1

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Let’s not liken a Twitter outburst to democracy, but yea I get where your coming from.

Yes question those in power but that also applies to the platforms we use. Obviously , serious censorship occurs in those platforms so let’s not pretend they are the all encompassing high ground.

Cancel culture and censorship are serious problems. The Doyle situation is just a bad example because of the timing and his lack of remorse. Regardless, who’s to say he wasn’t going to gather the team and give a heart felt apology for past actions and his desire to be a better man ?? A reformed man given a second chance seems better than a dejected, depressed, and unemployed man.


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Yeah, I really doubt we were suddenly going to get an apology from him after he's been around for like twenty years.

Also, let's not pretend he'll stay unemployed for long. He'll get a chance at some no name college or High School, stay out of the spotlight for awhile, and then some bigger college will hire him when everyone has moved on to more current controversies.
 

BoredMarine13

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Yeah, I really doubt we were suddenly going to get an apology from him after he's been around for like twenty years.

Also, let's not pretend he'll stay unemployed for long. He'll get a chance at some no name college or High School, stay out of the spotlight for awhile, and then some bigger college will hire him when everyone has moved on to more current controversies.

Maybe he’ll get employed or maybe he’ll hang himself after reading thousands strangers call him a worthless POS, idk, and neither do you.

I just hate how reactionary and hateful we have become. I agree with you he is likely not remorseful, but again who are we to say that with no inside information. Everyone should be given a chance to atone for their mistakes. Instead we let every moron with a voice on Twitter guide our morale compass


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rossihunter2

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Maybe he’ll get employed or maybe he’ll hang himself after reading thousands strangers call him a worthless POS, idk, and neither do you.

I just hate how reactionary and hateful we have become. I agree with you he is likely not remorseful, but again who are we to say that with no inside information. Everyone should be given a chance to atone for their mistakes. Instead we let every moron with a voice on Twitter guide our morale compass


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yes but people can atone from their mistakes without requiring a job to do it - the atonement is what should earn him a second chance not the other way around

and id be more concerned over the mental health of the kids he bullied and racially abused, and the others who he sent to the hospital

why should i forefront his health over the health of his victims?

and if he was really that concerned about being called a POS online - then maybe he should have thought about not being a POS first...
 

BoredMarine13

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yes but people can atone from their mistakes without requiring a job to do it - the atonement is what should earn him a second chance not the other way around

and id be more concerned over the mental health of the kids he bullied and racially abused, and the others who he sent to the hospital

why should i forefront his health over the health of his victims?

and if he was really that concerned about being called a POS online - then maybe he should have thought about not being a POS first...

First , I agreed this was not a good move by Meyer and could have been timed better. However , I see no reason to kick a man while he is down and then repeatedly kick him back down anytime he attempts to move on with his life by finding another job.

Two things can be true at once aka caring about ALL that were involved is not difficult. I refuse to pick a side and join their echo chamber for the vanity of which ever side it supports.

Imagine the difference between being called a racist hundreds of thousands of times compared to sitting down with some of his black teammates at Jacksonville and having heartfelt discussions? Which do you think creates a better product for society?

This is why I hate social media , as a black guy I’d love to just sit and have real conversations about the issues rather than attack each other with simple minded tweets.



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rossihunter2

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First , I agreed this was not a good move by Meyer and could have been timed better. However , I see no reason to kick a man while he is down and then repeatedly kick him back down anytime he attempts to move on with his life by finding another job.

Two things can be true at once aka caring about ALL that were involved is not difficult. I refuse to pick a side and join their echo chamber for the vanity of which ever side it supports.

Imagine the difference between being called a racist hundreds of thousands of times compared to sitting down with some of his black teammates at Jacksonville and having heartfelt discussions? Which do you think creates a better product for society?

This is why I hate social media , as a black guy I’d love to just sit and have real conversations about the issues rather than attack each other with simple minded tweets.



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i think it's a failure of society that the burden of educating racist white men is so often put on the black men and women about whom they were racist

if somebody thinks so little of you and treats an entire race of people with indignity - why do they and you owe him that discussion?

it should be on him to go away and do that learning himself on his own time and reconcile in that way and try and improve

you're talking about him being kicked when he's down - but hard to say he was down in the first place - yes he got fired but he also got paid a ton of money in severance and then within a few months ended up with an even better job... he was never actually down in the first place - he faced no punishment for his actions within his industry and he's shown no outward personal growth regarding the situation - no apology or anything - just ignored the situation and waited a little while before being rewarded with an even better opportunity
 

rmcjacket23

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Was just about to post this. I can't believe the Eagles thought they could get what the Lions got for Stafford but they settled hard on what they originally wanted.
Good example for the general public when it comes to "comping" trade value, since that's what we've been doing all offseason long for Orlando. People think he's as good as Tunsil, and that we should get comparable to what Miami got for Tunsil.

This is proof that it doesn't really work out that way. Stafford's probably a better player than Wentz, but I wouldn't say he's miles and miles ahead, and there's a BIG delta in trade compensation given up between the two.

It shows that not every team is willing to meet the same pricing demands for similar players. If there's no market for a player, trade value comes down.
 

rmcjacket23

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Is it me or are more teams just willing to take on dead cap more than ever before?


I mean... dead money is a little "overvalued" in my eyes.

By definition, its a sunk cost. It means there's no decision or choice you can make to reduce it. Its essentially a "I made a mistake" or a "we mortgaged the past that we now have to pay" type decisions.

Theoretically, in any business environment, sunk costs should be irrelevant to decision making. Given that there's nothing you can do to change it, you should be purely assessing current variable costs. So for the Eagles and their ownership, they basically had to decide if they wanted to throw another $15.4M at Carson Wentz this year, which they clearly decided they didn't want to. Jalen Hurts cost a fraction of that, and while I think Wentz is (and probably already has) proven himself to be better than Hurts, I don't think Wentz is like $14M a year better than Hurts, so I understand the decision.

In the past, I think a lot of teams would double, triple, or even quadruple down on their bad decisions. Its actually mildly refreshing to see teams like the Rams and Eagles be like "look, we think we made a mistake with the contract, and we're going to take action now to try to remedy it".

Generally speaking, I'll be pretty surprised if the Eagles aren't pretty bad in 2021. Moving Wentz I believe actually made their cap situation worse, and they have many, many, many cuts, restructures, and extensions still to come to navigate the salary cap. They've got some easy cuts, and they've got some really difficult decisions, like with Ertz.

And so if I'm their leadership, I say to myself a) can I win with Wentz in 2021? I think that answer is no, regardless of who you replace him with. And at that point, you go to b) am I confident Wentz is the long term option here? If their answer is yes, you keep him. If its no, its time to move him and see what Hurts brings you.
 

BoredMarine13

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BoredMarine13

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Was just about to post this. I can't believe the Eagles thought they could get what the Lions got for Stafford but they settled hard on what they originally wanted.

I’m happy for Wentz , he’s been in a tough spot since his MVP like season and knee injury. I imagine it was mentally exhausting defending himself constantly after Foles won the Super Bowl. Add to that all the line and WR issues. Glad he gets a fresh start


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JO_75

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I do wonder if Wentz could return to form under Reich and a much better offensive line who only has to replace a retiring Anthony Castonzo. The Eagles gave up a league high 65 sacks in 2020 while the Colts only gave up 21 with old man Rivers under center. We saw Mahomes crumble without his two starting offensive tackles in the Super Bowl, how much of Wentz's downfall was the product of his offensive line? We all thought Tom Brady was done for when he only needed some receivers which he got in Tampa and New England didn't give him. Perhaps Wentz is the next Tannehill?
 

BoredMarine13

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Got my heart racing and then broken immediately lol


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