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rmcjacket23

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i guess it's more than just contract stuff then...

apparently preferred landing spots are west coast (raiders and broncos - if they're interested)

SF, LV, and DEN, per PFT.

All of them make sense, all three could probably happen in some form or fashion. I think its probably a bit late for SF to pivot, unless this is in the works, or unless GB is willing to take 2022 picks.

Denver and LV make 1000% sense. Jon Gruden probably has a sock over his junk right now just thinking about it...
 

drjohnnyfever

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but also... he would be the focal point - he's still that good

with julio and hollywood on the field you cannot stack the box because they will make you pay outside and over the top

...I agree. I guess what I'm really saying is he wouldn't have to shoulder the whole load of the team. He'd "command coverage" as I said.

Listen, I think our WR's are going to be better this year any way. It would be hard to do as little as they did last year. Also, I think these are probably proud guys who hear what people and talking heads say. Hopefully, they are motivated. With Julio out there, the whole squad gets bumped up notches.
 

Adreme

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1. You won't be able to save $10M this year by converting Julio's salary to bonus. I think you can create $7-8M, but you can't drop his salary to zero.
2. Basically, whatever cap savings you create with him is what you have available to spend. The problems are that nobody has any idea what Houston/any edge rusher, or any veteran Tackle, will cost. I would suspect it'll be at least $3-5M per, and might be more than that. That also leaves you pretty thin elsewhere.

Signing/trading for him will cost you something. It's more of a question of what happens in the draft. You land a Tackle or edge rusher in the first round, maybe you don't need one of those guys, and can fill with mid-round picks.

We will find out in the next 7-8 hours. If we take a WR in the first, the Julio discussion ends.

Isnt league minimum 1.7 million which means you can cut his 15.3m down to 1.7 and convert 13.6 to signing bonus spread out over 3 years which is about 4.55 so about 9.1m saved technically.
 

Simba

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Isnt league minimum 1.7 million which means you can cut his 15.3m down to 1.7 and convert 13.6 to signing bonus spread out over 3 years which is about 4.55 so about 9.1m saved technically.

Part of the problem with this is that his $15.3M is fully guaranteed this year, so Julio gets nothing additional out of this restructure. He's getting the same amount of guaranteed money regardless. Sounds great to us but what's the benefit for him?
 

ndub

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i guess it's more than just contract stuff then...

apparently preferred landing spots are west coast (raiders and broncos - if they're interested)


I mean can you really blame the guy? He’s been disrespected every step of the way by the HC/new regime. Last draft they chose a QB in the first round who many considered to be not a first rounder. He then went on to win MVP and get a vote of no confidence when they didn’t go for it against the Bucs with everything on the line and them driving. With his resume and with recent high level of success, I’d be saying peace out too
 

rossihunter2

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Part of the problem with this is that his $15.3M is fully guaranteed this year, so Julio gets nothing additional out of this restructure. He's getting the same amount of guaranteed money regardless. Sounds great to us but what's the benefit for him?

to a restructure? - doesnt really matter he's getting the same money - his incentive is to do the deal to let his team be better without losing any money... not sure there's a player who doesnt agree to that sort of a restructure (that's not named aaron rodgers apparently lol)
 

Simba

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to a restructure? - doesnt really matter he's getting the same money - his incentive is to do the deal to let his team be better without losing any money... not sure there's a player who doesnt agree to that sort of a restructure (that's not named aaron rodgers apparently lol)

I agree to an extent. Getting the same money but if it's not a favorable destination, he doesn't have to do any moving of his money to accommodate it. Now, is he a stats guy to where he doesn't want to be here in a running offense? I've seen nothing to indicate that, but you never know. I still think that just in general, you'd need to give some sort of sweetener to entice a guy to move that money around.
 

Adreme

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Part of the problem with this is that his $15.3M is fully guaranteed this year, so Julio gets nothing additional out of this restructure. He's getting the same amount of guaranteed money regardless. Sounds great to us but what's the benefit for him?

I mean players typically are not going to ever oppose a restructure. They have no reason to do so unless they just do not want to play in the spot they are at.
 

ndub

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I agree to an extent. Getting the same money but if it's not a favorable destination, he doesn't have to do any moving of his money to accommodate it. Now, is he a stats guy to where he doesn't want to be here in a running offense? I've seen nothing to indicate that, but you never know. I still think that just in general, you'd need to give some sort of sweetener to entice a guy to move that money around.

Julio is a guy who at this point wants a ring. He’s never been the diva type
 

Simba

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I mean players typically are not going to ever oppose a restructure. They have no reason to do so unless they just do not want to play in the spot they are at.

See above lol. Generally I agree and normally wouldn't bring that up at all, but it would have to be hard going from a high volume passing offense to a running offense.
 

Adreme

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to a restructure? - doesnt really matter he's getting the same money - his incentive is to do the deal to let his team be better without losing any money... not sure there's a player who doesnt agree to that sort of a restructure (that's not named aaron rodgers apparently lol)

I mean I kinda get where Rodgers is coming from. They basically took him for granted for years and the moment he has a down year they draft a replacement (a down year for him being a career year for most QBs), that they traded UP to get, and then suddenly now that he wins the MVP they act like he is their QB for years to come. Ya I would probably tell them to kick rocks as well.
 

rmcjacket23

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Isnt league minimum 1.7 million which means you can cut his 15.3m down to 1.7 and convert 13.6 to signing bonus spread out over 3 years which is about 4.55 so about 9.1m saved technically.
Right, but $9M in savings only gives you about $10M to play with, after you account for draft picks, practice squad, etc.

That's probably enough to sign a couple players, but they'll have to be cheap deals.

That also pretty much decreases the possibility of signing Lamar to an extension AND you don't know what you don't know about any possible Earl Thomas hit for the grievance.

I would also point out that, while the Ravens are generally in a decent cap situation for 2022, you'd effectively absorbing a $15-20M cap hit for Julio next year, in addition to whatever you do with Lamar. That also excludes the fact that guys like Andrews, Bozeman, Ricard and others are not currently under contract for next year.

There's a lot of moving pieces here.
 

JAAM

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JAAM

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more likely they're asking the falcons about price - doubt julio's even been engaged with about it
Going to be extremely interesting if we don’t come away with a WR with at least one pick tonight (I think we’ll trade one). I wonder if that’ll force our hand to make a trade for Julio after June or any WR for that matter if there’s a run on WRs before 27 or we won’t like who is there. I’m just happy EDC is trying to add to the group
 

BoredMarine13

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Going to be extremely interesting if we don’t come away with a WR with at least one pick tonight (I think we’ll trade one). I wonder if that’ll force our hand to make a trade for Julio after June or any WR for that matter if there’s a run on WRs before 27 or we won’t like who is there. I’m just happy EDC is trying to add to the group

Id rather a WR in round one but if Julio is the move, so be it. At the end of the day i don't care as long as we get Lamar a legitimate play maker. He deserves better


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Adreme

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Id rather a WR in round one but if Julio is the move, so be it. At the end of the day i don't care as long as we get Lamar a legitimate play maker. He deserves better


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Considering no position busts more in the 1st than WR I am completely okay with going trenches with those 2 picks and bolstering a front 7 that is about to have significant turnover. They need to draft at least 1 DLine player (to start in 2 years) and a replacement for Judon. IF they can find those (and if people hyping justin madubuike are not bluffing about him being a future all pro) than the most expensive part of building a team might be locked in for the next few years.
 
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