The Ugly, The Ugly and The Ugly - Steelers Edition

[rossihunter2]

Chiefs offense have been awful for the past month or two, they had a great game against the Raiders but have you seen them outside of that? They've had problems of their own and struggling against Denver right now.

I think Roman has his issues for sure but I don't think you replace him, he can't control the abomination of the OL neither can he control the injuries that this team suffers from.

genuinely dont understand the criticism of Roman beyond some 1st down playcalling stuff with the running game
he's been otherwise pretty great this year with playcalling and managing for the guys who've gone down - he had a terrible game against the dolphins but that's really the only game i can think where i had significant issues with the playcalling on a fundamental level

Wink is the guy who might be under pressure (given Harb's comment about cover-0 in the presser) and who has adjusted to change the worst

 

[JoeyFlex5]

It feels like other OCs have dealt with bad/banged up lines better. We could spread out the defense and use a lot of short passes.

We could, and we try, it always seems like at some point it stops working or we get away from it, and idk what’s to blame for that, it could be defenses adjusting over time, I’m just not ready to blame Roman man, like yeah he’s not a pass guy, but isn’t that kinda why it should be hard to blame him? He engineers the greatest rushing attack to ever grace an nfl field and we’re gonna shitcan the guy because the pass game can’t carry the team in a season where the top 3 RBs went down and the OL is in shambles from injury?

 

[D1City55]

genuinely dont understand the criticism of Roman beyond some 1st down playcalling stuff with the running game
he's been otherwise pretty great this year with playcalling and managing for the guys who've gone down - he had a terrible game against the dolphins but that's really the only game i can think where i had significant issues with the playcalling on a fundamental level

Wink is the guy who might be under pressure (given Harb's comment about cover-0 in the presser) and who has adjusted to change the worst

I don't see how you can quite possibly get rid of him before Wink. IMO Wink is under more pressure, constantly this defense has broken down in the fourth QTR.

I think Greg Roman does have some bland passing concepts at times, I would like to see some creativity there and he's shown glimpses of that, would like to see it a little more consistently, that said how often can that happen if the OL can't afford to give a QB time. I'm not going to act like he's perfect, that said he's dealt with a bad hand this year with losing 3 of his top RBs, Bateman for the first 6 games, Watkins for a period of time, and the entire OL. I think he definitely is safe for a long time.

Wink is easily under more pressure.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

We've had a glimpse. People seem to forget that when Lamar started the OL didn't look that good. Couldn't run block and pass blocking was shaky. The team got by on scheme and a huge jump from Jackson in 19. Then what seemingly becoming an annual ritual, the OL fails in the playoffs. A real investment needs to be made there this year and I'm pretty sure the FO agrees.

I can't describe how incredibly hard it is to understand this season. Lamar has played like shit for weeks. The offense as a whole has just been inconsistent or shot themselves in the foot. That said, this is probably at BEST a 3 win team right now without him.

We need to throw shitload of darts at the trenches on both sides and quality picks too.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

For me with Roman, I've just not really been happy with him dating back to last year. I just don't think Roman truly does anything special with the passing game or anything to elevate the passing game. I think that's especially problematic when you're wanting to invest as much as the Ravens are about to in a quarterback.

The thing is, and I said this before, but 49ers and Bills fans forewarned that this would be the course for Roman. They warned that Roman would get his shiny dual threat quarterback and engineer this amazing offense, but teams would quickly adjust and begin to put pressure on his lack of a passing game.

I mean, sure, things could always be worse, but if I'm choosing between dog shit and elephant shit, neither is appealing either way.

 

[Tank]

We could, and we try, it always seems like at some point it stops working or we get away from it, and idk what’s to blame for that, it could be defenses adjusting over time, I’m just not ready to blame Roman man, like yeah he’s not a pass guy, but isn’t that kinda why it should be hard to blame him? He engineers the greatest rushing attack to ever grace an nfl field and we’re gonna shitcan the guy because the pass game can’t carry the team in a season where the top 3 RBs went down and the OL is in shambles from injury?

Yeah he’s really done wonders with what he’s had to work with, especially last year. No way to judge anything this year.
2021, “ The Body Bag Season”.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

We need to throw shitload of darts at the trenches on both sides and quality picks too.

I think what scares me the most is that the defense needs SERIOUS work (they need to retool the defensive line, need at least one new safety, probably should draft cornerback depth, and need to find Oweh's Robin) and I think that'll cause the Ravens to ignore the offense and give it the attention it needs.

 

[Argentina Raven]

Today I am all in Lamar, the defense played 3 very good times, they gave the offense 30-odd minutes to convert.
The offensive line has been the same as always, maybe better, most of the captures were not like those of dolphins that passed us by above, but that Lamar would go back, go up, go to one side, go to the other, and Watt tackled him or wormley .... wormley !!!!.
Today I saw Harbaugh more frustrated than ever

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't see how you can quite possibly get rid of him before Wink. IMO Wink is under more pressure, constantly this defense has broken down in the fourth QTR.

I think Greg Roman does have some bland passing concepts at times, I would like to see some creativity there and he's shown glimpses of that, would like to see it a little more consistently, that said how often can that happen if the OL can't afford to give a QB time. I'm not going to act like he's perfect, that said he's dealt with a bad hand this year with losing 3 of his top RBs, Bateman for the first 6 games, Watkins for a period of time, and the entire OL. I think he definitely is safe for a long time.

Wink is easily under more pressure.

that's the thing - it's quite possible that there are plays we liked and practiced this offseason that are stuck in the vault because we dont have the players healthy to make them work - boyle's not fully healthy, we've got a sieve for an OL which means we're often having to keep extra guys in which means that our playbook for empty is limited to hurry up and 2 minute type stuff unless we want to completely change the structure of our base offence - the RBs were originally expected to become playmakers in the passing game but that's become an entirely checkdown and safety valve part of our offence

the WRs have been mostly healthy but it's tough to do anything interesting with route combos and play design when you're only opportunities for plays downfield is max protection off play-action

that's not to fully excuse him because there are still far too many times where the route spacing is still not great but maybe some explanation as to why some of it still doesnt look right especially as we've seen glimpses of it

 

[JAAM]

Who the fuck is making the decision to have Bateman be out snapped by Watkins and Duv?

 

[Nurps]

That TOP in the first half though. God we pissed it away. Soooooo lopsided and we put almost jack shit on the board.

also, was it the 4th where they showed total yards for the quarter and it was like 126 Steelers and 5 Ravens? Ugh. Makes me want to puke.

 

[redrum52]

How would Romans run game look without dual threat qbs? You can't invest in your qb like that then keep asking to run at these rates. That game doesn't age well and you're not developing the guy you're about to hand the franchise over to. I'm pretty sure no one wanted the team this dependent on his legs year 4.

I'm saving my Wink rant for later, but boy.....

 

[Deebo813]

For me with Roman, I've just not really been happy with him dating back to last year. I just don't think Roman truly does anything special with the passing game or anything to elevate the passing game. I think that's especially problematic when you're wanting to invest as much as the Ravens are about to in a quarterback.

The thing is, and I said this before, but 49ers and Bills fans forewarned that this would be the course for Roman. They warned that Roman would get his shiny dual threat quarterback and engineer this amazing offense, but teams would quickly adjust and begin to put pressure on his lack of a passing game.

I mean, sure, things could always be worse, but if I'm choosing between dog shit and elephant shit, neither is appealing either way.

It usually take Raven fans for us to cut someone or just lose them before we finally come to terms that the player or coach was actually pretty bad

 

[Deebo813]

How would Romans run game look without dual threat qbs? You can't invest in your qb like that then keep asking to run at these rates. That game doesn't age well and you're not developing the guy you're about to hand the franchise over to. I'm pretty sure no one wanted the team this dependent on his legs year 4.

I'm saving my Wink rant for later, but boy.....

Im not proud of roman but we gotta be honest…. Its both roman and lamar whose at fault.

 

[Nurps]

Im not proud of roman but we gotta be honest…. Its both roman and lamar whose at fault.

…..and the o line…… and the RBs……

 

[JO_75]

genuinely dont understand the criticism of Roman beyond some 1st down playcalling stuff with the running game
he's been otherwise pretty great this year with playcalling and managing for the guys who've gone down - he had a terrible game against the dolphins but that's really the only game i can think where i had significant issues with the playcalling on a fundamental level

Wink is the guy who might be under pressure (given Harb's comment about cover-0 in the presser) and who has adjusted to change the worst

I think from a defensive stand point, as much as I don't like Roman I do think I would be in support of Wink being fired first and a change in defensive philosophy. Too many broken plays, our players at times seem loss on what their assignment is leading to big plays. I do believe a new defensive coordinator can still rely on coverage sacks but at the same time actually call plays that result in sacks from the get go, not relying on the coverage to provide it.

 

[redrum52]

Daniel fucking Sorenson getting pick 6s. IM SICK RIGHT NOW

 

[Dom McRaven]

Daniel fucking Sorenson getting pick 6s. IM SICK RIGHT NOW

Maybe Big Ben can go to Denver. I'm so tired of watching him with these game-winning drives over us.

 

[D1City55]

that's the thing - it's quite possible that there are plays we liked and practiced this offseason that are stuck in the vault because we dont have the players healthy to make them work - boyle's not fully healthy, we've got a sieve for an OL which means we're often having to keep extra guys in which means that our playbook for empty is limited to hurry up and 2 minute type stuff unless we want to completely change the structure of our base offence - the RBs were originally expected to become playmakers in the passing game but that's become an entirely checkdown and safety valve part of our offence

the WRs have been mostly healthy but it's tough to do anything interesting with route combos and play design when you're only opportunities for plays downfield is max protection off play-action

that's not to fully excuse him because there are still far too many times where the route spacing is still not great but maybe some explanation as to why some of it still doesnt look right especially as we've seen glimpses of it

I mean who can trust this OL to handle their blocks one on one? Imo it seems like they've reduced the amount of chip blockers they've used to a certain extend because dime and quarter defenses were giving us problems with how we're using blockers. The Bengals managed to expose that with various dime and quarters looks and sent deceptive looks at us with it. We need numerous chip blockers to go downfield and that's a problem.


It's not just cover 0 that's giving this offense problems, it's also four and five man rushes and guys like Philips simply cannot handle Watt. I think we'll adjust to the cover 0 looks we're seeing eventually, but good lord this OL is an atrocity and the RBs don't have enough burst to make teams pay.

Yes, Freeman looked faster today, but look at J.K Dobbins vs the Texans last season and you'll clearly see what the team is badly missing from their running backs.

 

[D1City55]

Daniel fucking Sorenson getting pick 6s. IM SICK RIGHT NOW

Chiefs are proving you don't need All Pros all over the field in order to improve the defense.....