DUMP THREAD V.9: SZN OVER

[RaineV1]

The religion is to blame narrative is a feeble argument made by douche bags on the far left. I’m pro life for the most part and I havent stepped foot in a church, with the exception being weddings, since I was in middle school. Maybe it’s not about religion and I just happen to think late term abortions are pretty fucked up decision made by cowards. Or maybe I’m just really pumped that I have an adopted son and the thought of his mother who gave him up to us not doing that breaks my heart. Or, and here’s a crazy stance, the best way to handle this is to find the happy median, something like abortions are allowed up to the start of the second trimester , after that it should be used only for medical emergencies. We should also be pumping birth control ( for free) to the general public because those morons keep procreating.

I'd say the problem is that a federal ruling on it created more of a middle ground than many states will. Many politicians love to appeal to the extremes of their state. Mississippi is pushing a ban that forbids it even in the case of the mother's health being at risk.

We also deal with states outlawing abortion while doing fuck all to make raising children manageable (cutting school funding, cutting food programs, cutting maternity leave, no paternity leave, no help with medical costs of the pregnancy, cutting adoption programs, etc). These states celebrate saving kids while those same kids barely have enough to survive (assuming they actually do). That's honestly the biggest issue.

 

[rossihunter2]

I'd say the problem is that a federal ruling on it created more of a middle ground than many states will. Many politicians love to appeal to the extremes of their state. Mississippi is pushing a ban that forbids it even in the case of the mother's health being at risk.

We also deal with states outlawing abortion while doing fuck all to make raising children manageable (cutting school funding, cutting food programs, cutting maternity leave, no paternity leave, no help with medical costs of the pregnancy, cutting adoption programs, etc). These states celebrate saving kids while those same kids barely have enough to survive (assuming they actually do). That's honestly the biggest issue.

they care about children only up until the point they are actually born... at which point they couldn't care less about them anymore

 

[allblackraven]

This is where I disagree( I think). You say guys not having a say then shoving peni repeatedly after an egg comment, which I dont think men have.

The second that happens they're the only one with a choice and can choose to hold a man monetarily responsible. A mother wants to keep a kid and the father doesn't and is willing to help with the abortion, he shouldn't have to take care of that kid financially. If the woman wanted to have an abortion do the fathers have a say in keeping the child? This was my reference earlier.


I still say abortion, church, and politics are a lot less divisive than a good ol fashioned Flacco thread.

If would be daddy did not want a child, he should have put a condom.

 

[allblackraven]

So accountability is one sided? Just wondering where you stand on this then. Pro life or right to choose?

Right to choose, million percent.

 

[redrum52]

Right to choose, million percent.

That doesn't seem somewhat hypocritical then? It's cool for them to choose to keep the kid while men have no choice after that? If THEY want to keep the kid I should have the right to choose if I support said accident(financially).

 

[allblackraven]

That doesn't seem somewhat hypocritical then? It's cool for them to choose to keep the kid while men have no choice after that? If THEY want to keep the kid I should have the right to choose if I support said accident(financially).

If two people are not on the same page about having children, why not choose prevention?

 

[marklar]

Move the entire thread to the off-topic forum or stop the boring political BS. There are a million places to talk that shit, and just because I follow the Ravens does not mean I want to read crazy-ass US politics

 

[ndub]

Move the entire thread to the off-topic forum or stop the boring political BS. There are a million places to talk that shit, and just because I follow the Ravens does not mean I want to read crazy-ass US politics

Yes sir, mister practice squadder

 

[drjohnnyfever]

Well, I'm glad that this was moved. Contrary to Ross, the bar, that is the Random Thoughts thread, was not the right place for this discussion.

I have just one other comment...

The religion is to blame narrative is a feeble argument made by douche bags on the far left. I’m pro life for the most part and I havent stepped foot in a church, with the exception being weddings, since I was in middle school. Maybe it’s not about religion and I just happen to think late term abortions are pretty fucked up decision made by cowards. Or maybe I’m just really pumped that I have an adopted son and the thought of his mother who gave him up to us not doing that breaks my heart. Or, and here’s a crazy stance, the best way to handle this is to find the happy median, something like abortions are allowed up to the start of the second trimester , after that it should be used only for medical emergencies. We should also be pumping birth control ( for free) to the general public because those morons keep procreating.

As an adopted kid, when asked about my abortion beliefs, people are often shocked that I'm a "pro-choice" supporter. But as BoredMarine13 points out, really only up to a reasonable point. I was born in August of 1969. I'm uncertain whether abortion was an option for my bio-mom and I have little information on the nature of my biological parent's relationship; other than I was likely the product of a romance prior to bio-dad's departure to Vietnam. So whether I was the start of a family that somehow got destroyed or the accident of two young people, I have no idea. But I have nothing but respect for the courage in took my bio-mom, not only to carry me to term, but in her decision to give me away. There was probably a way she could have ended me, but she didn't. I know my parents were thankful and grateful for that as they couldn't have kids of their own. At least I think they were most of the time.

Who knows. I still think the vast silent majority in between absolutists like "abortions on demand" and "radical pro-lifers" will find a reasonable way to resolve this. For all the reasons brought up in this discussion, there needs to be something different than the constant interpretation of the Court case in determining whether something is legal or not. As BoredMarine13 points out something determinate - nothing more determinant than a ratified Constitutional Amendment that addresses women's rights, father's rights, and child's rights... I still have confidence in the goodness and the tolerance of the American people. It's hard with all the negativity and depravity covered on the news and from news commentators, but at heart, I'm an optimist.

 

[Willbacker]

Well, I'm glad that this was moved. Contrary to Ross, the bar, that is the Random Thoughts thread, was not the right place for this discussion.

I have just one other comment...

As an adopted kid, when asked about my abortion beliefs, people are often shocked that I'm a "pro-choice" supporter. But as BoredMarine13 points out, really only up to a reasonable point. I was born in August of 1969. I'm uncertain whether abortion was an option for my bio-mom and I have little information on the nature of my biological parent's relationship; other than I was likely the product of a romance prior to bio-dad's departure to Vietnam. So whether I was the start of a family that somehow got destroyed or the accident of two young people, I have no idea. But I have nothing but respect for the courage in took my bio-mom, not only to carry me to term, but in her decision to give me away. There was probably a way she could have ended me, but she didn't. I know my parents were thankful and grateful for that as they couldn't have kids of their own. At least I think they were most of the time.

Who knows. I still think the vast silent majority in between absolutists like "abortions on demand" and "radical pro-lifers" will find a reasonable way to resolve this. For all the reasons brought up in this discussion, there needs to be something different than the constant interpretation of the Court case in determining whether something is legal or not. As BoredMarine13 points out something determinate - nothing more determinant than a ratified Constitutional Amendment that addresses women's rights, father's rights, and child's rights... I still have confidence in the goodness and the tolerance of the American people. It's hard with all the negativity and depravity covered on the news and from news commentators, but at heart, I'm an optimist.

Roe came out in 1973 so no it wasn't an option but yeah who knows if you would have been here if it was.

And don't get me started on "birthing people". This shit gotta stop. Maybe they aught to add the rainbow color to gender reveal parties.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Well, I'm glad that this was moved. Contrary to Ross, the bar, that is the Random Thoughts thread, was not the right place for this discussion.

I have just one other comment...

As an adopted kid, when asked about my abortion beliefs, people are often shocked that I'm a "pro-choice" supporter. But as BoredMarine13 points out, really only up to a reasonable point. I was born in August of 1969. I'm uncertain whether abortion was an option for my bio-mom and I have little information on the nature of my biological parent's relationship; other than I was likely the product of a romance prior to bio-dad's departure to Vietnam. So whether I was the start of a family that somehow got destroyed or the accident of two young people, I have no idea. But I have nothing but respect for the courage in took my bio-mom, not only to carry me to term, but in her decision to give me away. There was probably a way she could have ended me, but she didn't. I know my parents were thankful and grateful for that as they couldn't have kids of their own. At least I think they were most of the time.

Who knows. I still think the vast silent majority in between absolutists like "abortions on demand" and "radical pro-lifers" will find a reasonable way to resolve this. For all the reasons brought up in this discussion, there needs to be something different than the constant interpretation of the Court case in determining whether something is legal or not. As BoredMarine13 points out something determinate - nothing more determinant than a ratified Constitutional Amendment that addresses women's rights, father's rights, and child's rights... I still have confidence in the goodness and the tolerance of the American people. It's hard with all the negativity and depravity covered on the news and from news commentators, but at heart, I'm an optimist.

From a political standpoint I love the ruling and so should pro choice folks. Any opportunity to reduce federal involvement is great for the nation. Now the power is back in the hands of the people from each state. Congress/ POTUS/ SCOTUS are all owned by special-interest groups that feel threatened by some innovation and will lobby the government to do what they cannot legally accomplish themselves.

Everyone loves to complain, yet just over half of the eligible population votes…..If you don’t like what your state is peddling, i recommend voting.

Do you know what part of Vietnam your mom was from? My wife’s parents came over from Saigon right as the war started.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Move the entire thread to the off-topic forum or stop the boring political BS. There are a million places to talk that shit, and just because I follow the Ravens does not mean I want to read crazy-ass US politics

Shut up boot

 

[drjohnnyfever]

From a political standpoint I love the ruling and so should pro choice folks. Any opportunity to reduce federal involvement is great for the nation. Now the power is back in the hands of the people from each state. Congress/ POTUS/ SCOTUS are all owned by special-interest groups that feel threatened by some innovation and will lobby the government to do what they cannot legally accomplish themselves.

Everyone loves to complain, yet just over half of the eligible population votes…..If you don’t like what your state is peddling, i recommend voting.

Do you know what part of Vietnam your mom was from? My wife’s parents came over from Saigon right as the war started.

No, no one is from Vietnam. My bio-dad had been drafted and, from the little I know, was shipped off to Vietnam before I arrived and likely pretty soon after I was conceived. They were either both 19 or my bio mom might have been 18. Have never done the genome thing and have never had any real interest in finding out more. My wife doesn't understand, but there was enough shitty stuff with my adoptive family that opening up that door just to find the same kind of troubles or worse with them has always tipped the scale in favor being grateful for life and leaving well enough alone. Got my own kids and family to take care of and have fun with. That's enough for me. Friends fill out the rest.

 

[rossihunter2]

From a political standpoint I love the ruling and so should pro choice folks. Any opportunity to reduce federal involvement is great for the nation. Now the power is back in the hands of the people from each state. Congress/ POTUS/ SCOTUS are all owned by special-interest groups that feel threatened by some innovation and will lobby the government to do what they cannot legally accomplish themselves.

Everyone loves to complain, yet just over half of the eligible population votes…..If you don’t like what your state is peddling, i recommend voting.

Do you know what part of Vietnam your mom was from? My wife’s parents came over from Saigon right as the war started.

why would pro-choice people love a ruling that takes away their ability to choose and make personal decisions about their bodies in favour of the state making those decisions for them

in fact it should be small government conservatives who should hate this decision (but they don't) - roe vs wade left the decisions up to the individual person but this ruling allows state leaderships to restrict someone's agency with regards to their own personal health

and to say just "vote" to fix it is incredibly naive as to the extent with which some of these states in favour of abortion bans are gerrymandered and also ignores the fact that states encompass many disparate groups and regions with differing values - it's also naive because the supposed party of choice has had many opportunities to codify this at a federal level and never did so there's no proof that voting actually works for those who are pro-choice

 

[cobrajet]

why would pro-choice people love a ruling that takes away their ability to choose and make personal decisions about their bodies in favour of the state making those decisions for them

in fact it should be small government conservatives who should hate this decision (but they don't) - roe vs wade left the decisions up to the individual person but this ruling allows state leaderships to restrict someone's agency with regards to their own personal health

and to say just "vote" to fix it is incredibly naive as to the extent with which some of these states in favour of abortion bans are gerrymandered and also ignores the fact that states encompass many disparate groups and regions with differing values - it's also naive because the supposed party of choice has had many opportunities to codify this at a federal level and never did so there's no proof that voting actually works for those who are pro-choice

Just out of curiosity how pro-choice are you? Are you okay with abortion until birth like many extreme leftists promote?

 

[Willbacker]

why would pro-choice people love a ruling that takes away their ability to choose and make personal decisions about their bodies in favour of the state making those decisions for them

in fact it should be small government conservatives who should hate this decision (but they don't) - roe vs wade left the decisions up to the individual person but this ruling allows state leaderships to restrict someone's agency with regards to their own personal health

and to say just "vote" to fix it is incredibly naive as to the extent with which some of these states in favour of abortion bans are gerrymandered and also ignores the fact that states encompass many disparate groups and regions with differing values - it's also naive because the supposed party of choice has had many opportunities to codify this at a federal level and never did so there's no proof that voting actually works for those who are pro-choice

Small govt conservatives hate it cuz federal funds are directed to it. That makes taxpayers involved. You are paying for somebodies decision 99% of the time. Some women use it multiple times. Oops I did it again. *runs to abortion clinic*. People need to be responsible on their own for what they do.

 

[BoredMarine13]

why would pro-choice people love a ruling that takes away their ability to choose and make personal decisions about their bodies in favour of the state making those decisions for them

in fact it should be small government conservatives who should hate this decision (but they don't) - roe vs wade left the decisions up to the individual person but this ruling allows state leaderships to restrict someone's agency with regards to their own personal health

and to say just "vote" to fix it is incredibly naive as to the extent with which some of these states in favour of abortion bans are gerrymandered and also ignores the fact that states encompass many disparate groups and regions with differing values - it's also naive because the supposed party of choice has had many opportunities to codify this at a federal level and never did so there's no proof that voting actually works for those who are pro-choice

There’s no proof that voting works? Cool story…. down with the patriarchy comrade.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Small govt conservatives hate it cuz federal funds are directed to it. That makes taxpayers involved. You are paying for somebodies decision 99% of the time. Some women use it multiple times. Oops I did it again. *runs to abortion clinic*. People need to be responsible on their own for what they do.

I think a lot of conservatives hate it becuase they don’t like alternative lifestyles. Libertarians hate it for the reasons you just mentioned. People should be able to do what they want , but fuck off if you think I should be paying for it or punished for disagreeing.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Feels appropriate

 

[rossihunter2]

Just out of curiosity how pro-choice are you? Are you okay with abortion until birth like many extreme leftists promote?

this is just patently false as we've discussed many times in this thread already

it is blatant brainwashed far-right propaganda to consider that anyone is advocating for the termination of viable foetuses in the third trimester or even in the second... the only times where you will see anyone advocate for those sorts of procedures is in severe health scenarios e.g. a threat to the mother's life