Signings, Cuts, Trades

[UPennChem]

The true source of this mess is Roman's limited offense. We draft players accordingly. He doesn't need WRs. I am not sure he'd know what to do with Jefferson, Chase and Waddle on the team.

Ya know I really wonder if this is true. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we've just never seen a Roman offense that has serious WR options. Maybe best was last year but by the time Bateman and Brown were both available Lamar was out

 

[Deebo813]

The fact that Proche and Wallace get basically no snaps, even with Bateman out coupled to this DeSean Jackson interview is truly pathetic.

It means the team knew that those two were hot garbage and did precisely nothing other than bring in one other guy who is such hot garbage that he couldn't even make the first round of cuts.

Then shocker.... an injury at WR and you see that we have league wide lows of receiver separation. Then the team says you know.... Maybe we should go get that 35 year old off the couch who's a total headcase and antisemite.

To bring in Isabella and Jackson is to admit mistake in the roster construction, but will not spur any meaningful change.

It's actually quite incredible. I wonder if there has ever been a WR depth chart as bad as Bateman, Duvernay, Robinson, Proche, and Wallace on a playoff team.

Maybe its just me but i think our roster construction is and have always been one of the best.. we dnt have a qb thats gonna come out and pass for 300 yards every game.. we have a qb thats gonna make mistakes and is at his best when our run game is working, therefore we have to build around that..we have to sacrifice something on our team and our wr group is it which is the best idea right now. i can promise you that no wr or wrs in history of nfl would make lamar throw like aaron rodgers and read defenses like peyton manning …..and i think thats what someone of us believe a top notch wr will do for lamar’s game

 

[Florida Raven Fan]

Maybe its just me but i think our roster construction is and have always been one of the best.. we dnt have a qb thats gonna come out and pass for 300 yards every game.. we have a qb thats gonna make mistakes and is at his best when our run game is working, therefore we have to build around that..we have to sacrifice something on our team and our wr group is it which is the best idea right now. i can promise you that no wr or wrs in history of nfl would make lamar throw like aaron rodgers and read defenses like peyton manning …..and i think thats what someone of us believe a top notch wr will do for lamar’s game

I have to disagree bro. I don't understand the logic that if lamar is not known to be a great passer lets not give him weapons. If your QB is limited in his passing abilities the least you want to do is set him up with crappy wrs. We're not asking for Elite wrs we just want good wrs not scrubs.

 

[UPennChem]

Maybe its just me but i think our roster construction is and have always been one of the best.. we dnt have a qb thats gonna come out and pass for 300 yards every game.. we have a qb thats gonna make mistakes and is at his best when our run game is working, therefore we have to build around that..we have to sacrifice something on our team and our wr group is it which is the best idea right now. i can promise you that no wr or wrs in history of nfl would make lamar throw like aaron rodgers and read defenses like peyton manning …..and i think thats what someone of us believe a top notch wr will do for lamar’s game

I can see where you're coming from but at the same time I believe we are running a brand of offense (that has gotten better since 2019) that isn't ideal for winning superbowls. It's very contrarian and I believe if you put a more canonical offense around Lamar he and the team would be better. That would start with better WRs so Ricard doesn't play 70% of the snaps. HE'S PLAYING 70% RIGHT NOW

 

[Deebo813]

I have to disagree bro. I don't understand the logic that if lamar is not known to be a great passer lets not give him weapons. If your QB is limited in his passing abilities the least you want to do is set him up with crappy wrs. We're not asking for Elite wrs we just want good wrs not scrubs.

Andrews and bateman arent scrubs at all though like not even close

 

[Deebo813]

I can see where you're coming from but at the same time I believe we are running a brand of offense (that has gotten better since 2019) that isn't ideal for winning superbowls. It's very contrarian and I believe if you put a more canonical offense around Lamar he and the team would be better. That would start with better WRs so Ricard doesn't play 70% of the snaps. HE'S PLAYING 70% RIGHT NOW

Ok now i do agree with the ricard thing but id assume thats to keep defenses guessing

 

[allblackraven]

Ya know I really wonder if this is true. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we've just never seen a Roman offense that has serious WR options. Maybe best was last year but by the time Bateman and Brown were both available Lamar was out

He never had - at Bills and Niners he had one good and one serviceable WR and they were better than our current receivers. We got Mark, so it evens out, kind of. When they won, they won because of their defense and the above average running ability of their QBs.

 

[D1City55]

Funny how EDC should get fired for not getting WRs…isn’t this what Ozzie did? EDC approach doesn’t look all that different from Ozzie IMO.

 

[Sandtown]

The fact that Proche and Wallace get basically no snaps, even with Bateman out coupled to this DeSean Jackson interview is truly pathetic.

It means the team knew that those two were hot garbage and did precisely nothing other than bring in one other guy who is such hot garbage that he couldn't even make the first round of cuts.

Then shocker.... an injury at WR and you see that we have league wide lows of receiver separation. Then the team says you know.... Maybe we should go get that 35 year old off the couch who's a total headcase and antisemite.

To bring in Isabella and Jackson is to admit mistake in the roster construction, but will not spur any meaningful change.

It's actually quite incredible. I wonder if there has ever been a WR depth chart as bad as Bateman, DuvernayN, Robinson, Proche, and Wallace on a playoff team.

Wallace had 13 snaps on offense and Proche had 4 snaps on offense. Might as well add Likely as well into the equation because he's basically a slot receiver at this point who had 13 snaps on offense . Demarcus Robinson had 45 snaps on offense but he hasn't been involved in any plays going deep. I heard he considered somewhat of deep threat but he never looked like that to me but honestly for most part it seems like this receiver group just missing that deep threat element. Isabella and Jackson bring a different skillset than the other available receivers and for a team that likes for play action to be apart of their game then speed is needed.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I have to disagree bro. I don't understand the logic that if lamar is not known to be a great passer lets not give him weapons. If your QB is limited in his passing abilities the least you want to do is set him up with crappy wrs. We're not asking for Elite wrs we just want good wrs not scrubs.

He has a first round WR and an All-Pro TE. And last year he had two first round WRs. People can complain about lack of depth at the position, which is a fair criticism. But a lot of you all don't want depth. You want studs.

If we brought in an "alpha" WR, we're not going to throw the ball more. We're just going to spread the targets around to more people. That means a hell of a lot less of Duvernay, and a lot less of Bateman for sure.

I don't see any version of this offense as presently constructed that yields solid production from three pass catchers. Hell if you go back like 15 years, you'll rarely find a time where this team had quality output from a third pass catcher.

I think people are being somewhat unrealistic about this. Coming into the offseason, we were good. We traded Hollywood on draft night, which means you don't really have options to backfill. FA is basically over at that point, the first round of the draft is basically over. Sure, we could have used a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a WR, and maybe we should have. But that's not what a lot of people want. They want the AJ Brown.

I'll join the "Ravens ignore WRs" game when we do the same this coming offseason. My bet... we'll add a veteran in FA and probably draft somebody in the first three rounds. At that point, the whining needs to end. The people still whining are more interested in fantasy stats than winning games. Which its pretty close to that already.

And news flash... QB1 is about to have a $45M+ cap hit next year, with no end in sight. The days of thinking the Ravens are going to pay top tier money to WRs, while he's making that money, are about over. They'll pay ONE guy, maybe, and it'll likely be a homegrown guy. It's drafts for here on out at that position.

 

[RavensMania]

Ya know I really wonder if this is true. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we've just never seen a Roman offense that has serious WR options. Maybe best was last year but by the time Bateman and Brown were both available Lamar was out

lets also not forget the OL has been terrible the last couple years. This year it is much improved, atleast in pass protection

 

[Simba]

Didn't expand much yesterday, but really hoping the DJack workout is just a kicking the tires situation. Just don't see how he helps, especially with what we know about him. He continues to be a solid deep threat even at his age, but the injuries have bit him hard in recent years and I just don't think he's a risk worth taking for a locker room that's already showing some cracks. He's never really been a team guy and I struggle with putting him into our current situation.

 

[Nurps]

+35 LMAO. Thats some OG shit right there. Wow.

 

[Grim]

cost in the way of draft picks, because he has no guaranteed money after this season?

Yeah, draft picks, not that I agree. 6th round picks+ are generally worthless IMHO. You can get some guys but it's not like it's THAT hard to get those picks. Hell, I'm sure you could get a Draft day trade down scenario to get some.

Feels dumb. Both these guys have character concerns.

 

[gtalk12]

Bateman to me has the potential to be the guy we need. That’s just it, potential. He flashed the first few games and struggled with some drops before going down with injury.

Having studs in the receiver room is unrealistic. That being said, it’s annoying to know we have used a few draft picks on receivers that don’t seem to be utilized.

Do we really know what we have in Wallace and Proche?

So do we have a utilization problem or a player problem?

Some of us looked at the stats vs the Giants game and the separation that game was abysmal.

Maybe its just me but i think our roster construction is and have always been one of the best.. we dnt have a qb thats gonna come out and pass for 300 yards every game.. we have a qb thats gonna make mistakes and is at his best when our run game is working, therefore we have to build around that..we have to sacrifice something on our team and our wr group is it which is the best idea right now. i can promise you that no wr or wrs in history of nfl would make lamar throw like aaron rodgers and read defenses like peyton manning …..and i think thats what someone of us believe a top notch wr will do for lamar’s game

This doesn’t make sense. If you really believe that your QB isn’t going to throw the ball well then that’s the exact reason you need to get him a monster receiver. Just look around the league.

Jalen Hurst is being talked about right now very highly. Look at his receivers. Do you think he can throw the ball as well as Lamar? Now take a look at how many TD passes he actually has.

Have you seen Tuas numbers? Dude throws the ball 3 yards out and Waddle/Hill go CRAZY lol

Obviously we know Lamar can be inconsistent, especially when he’s in his own head.

Can we win without top notch receivers? Absolutely. Can we score a ton a points? Absolutely. If we continue to draft and surround Lamar the way we have the last few years then I don’t want to hear it about his contract. He’s being asked to do more than the QBs that got paid.

The focus should be O-line, D-line, and LBs only in the draft if that’s the case with the occasionally WR to come block

 

[Deebo813]

Bateman to me has the potential to be the guy we need. That’s just it, potential. He flashed the first few games and struggled with some drops before going down with injury.

Having studs in the receiver room is unrealistic. That being said, it’s annoying to know we have used a few draft picks on receivers that don’t seem to be utilized.

Do we really know what we have in Wallace and Proche?

So do we have a utilization problem or a player problem?

Some of us looked at the stats vs the Giants game and the separation that game was abysmal.



This doesn’t make sense. If you really believe that your QB isn’t going to throw the ball well then that’s the exact reason you need to get him a monster receiver. Just look around the league.

Jalen Hurst is being talked about right now very highly. Look at his receivers. Do you think he can throw the ball as well as Lamar? Now take a look at how many TD passes he actually has.

Have you seen Tuas numbers? Dude throws the ball 3 yards out and Waddle/Hill go CRAZY lol

Obviously we know Lamar can be inconsistent, especially when he’s in his own head.

Can we win without top notch receivers? Absolutely. Can we score a ton a points? Absolutely. If we continue to draft and surround Lamar the way we have the last few years then I don’t want to hear it about his contract. He’s being asked to do more than the QBs that got paid.

The focus should be O-line, D-line, and LBs only in the draft if that’s the case with the occasionally WR to come block

You arent wrong at all but i feel like we are acting as if lamar isnt flawed right now. He isnt playing well and it has nothing to do with wrs right now imo.

 

[gtalk12]

You arent wrong at all but i feel like we are acting as if lamar isnt flawed right now. He isnt playing well and it has nothing to do with wrs right now imo.

I am saying that under the idea that Lamar is flawed right now. My eyes tell me that Lamar cost us last game and probably one more.

Receivers not getting open does not help a struggling QB

 

[Florida Raven Fan]

He has a first round WR and an All-Pro TE. And last year he had two first round WRs. People can complain about lack of depth at the position, which is a fair criticism. But a lot of you all don't want depth. You want studs.

If we brought in an "alpha" WR, we're not going to throw the ball more. We're just going to spread the targets around to more people. That means a hell of a lot less of Duvernay, and a lot less of Bateman for sure.

I don't see any version of this offense as presently constructed that yields solid production from three pass catchers. Hell if you go back like 15 years, you'll rarely find a time where this team had quality output from a third pass catcher.

I think people are being somewhat unrealistic about this. Coming into the offseason, we were good. We traded Hollywood on draft night, which means you don't really have options to backfill. FA is basically over at that point, the first round of the draft is basically over. Sure, we could have used a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a WR, and maybe we should have. But that's not what a lot of people want. They want the AJ Brown.

I'll join the "Ravens ignore WRs" game when we do the same this coming offseason. My bet... we'll add a veteran in FA and probably draft somebody in the first three rounds. At that point, the whining needs to end. The people still whining are more interested in fantasy stats than winning games. Which its pretty close to that already.

And news flash... QB1 is about to have a $45M+ cap hit next year, with no end in sight. The days of thinking the Ravens are going to pay top tier money to WRs, while he's making that money, are about over. They'll pay ONE guy, maybe, and it'll likely be a homegrown guy. It's drafts for here on out at that position.

To your first point- Again I never wanted a stud so I don't know why you keep bringing that up while replying to me. I thought the depth was horrible ( and you admit it as well) after losing Hollywood and Watkins even though Watkins sucked. Proche and Duv couldn't cut the starting lineup last year and that was my worry. Duv has been a great surprise to everyone.

I also don't care who's getting the ball and if it getting spread around great. That means we have wrs open and catching the ball. And bingo we should have used 1 or 2 draft picks on WR. Would that had made an impact this year maybe, maybe not.

I'm in the Ravens should of not ignored the wrs this year anyways and I don't care about fantasy I want this team to win and be successful as I watch this for enjoyment and who wants to see a losing team? Not very enjoyable...

And final point I know if and when we sign Lamar will depend on how much cap space we have left and that will determine our signings again I was much referring to this year. I was replying to Deebos post of us not needing a WRs because Lamar wont be throwing for more than 300 yards a game. @ gtalk12 understood what I meant and came up with some good points when answering Deebo.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Maybe its just me but i think our roster construction is and have always been one of the best.. we dnt have a qb thats gonna come out and pass for 300 yards every game.. we have a qb thats gonna make mistakes and is at his best when our run game is working, therefore we have to build around that..we have to sacrifice something on our team and our wr group is it which is the best idea right now. i can promise you that no wr or wrs in history of nfl would make lamar throw like aaron rodgers and read defenses like peyton manning …..and i think thats what someone of us believe a top notch wr will do for lamar’s game

We need at least one wr that can separate quickly, without Bateman we don’t have that. If Bateman comes back I think there’s a chance that a lot of this is cleared up.

 

[Deebo813]

We need at least one wr that can separate quickly, without Bateman we don’t have that. If Bateman comes back I think there’s a chance that a lot of this is cleared up.

There were issues well before bateman was out is all im saying.. idk why no one wants to blame lamar for his terrible play. Our #1 has like 10 catches in 4 games that he has played in.shit thats under 50 catches in 17 games