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GodIsGreat said:
Far more is insane, Didnt the chiefs have a top 2 o line last year, lets not act like this receiving core isnt mediocre its just upgraded,aghlor is the ravens 1st or 2nd best wr and he was wr3 on the pats last year, mahomes has the best coach and the greatest tight end
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I would take the Ravens WR group over the Chiefs in a heartbeat. Their top WRs are MVS, Toney, Justin Watson, and Rashee Rice. Flowers, Beckham, and Agholor are way above them in almost every way of measuring them. Even if you include the TEs the Ravens still have a better set of weapons.
 
RaineV1 said:
I would take the Ravens WR group over the Chiefs in a heartbeat. Their top WRs are MVS, Toney, Justin Watson, and Rashee Rice. Flowers, Beckham, and Agholor are way abov
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Mvs is better then any wr on our team , theres not a big talent gap from the ravens and chiefs wr core both are medicore but chiefs have the better line and the greatest tight end with the best coach in the league,
 
GodIsGreat said:
Mvs is better then any wr on our team , theres not a big talent gap from the ravens and chiefs wr core both are medicore but chiefs have the better line and the greatest tight end with the best coach in the league,
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lol no. Not close. Chiefs have a below average WR room.

If we offered Bateman, who's our third receiver, straight up for MVS, the Chiefs would salivate at the mouth, think we're joking, then hit accept before we had time to think about it. They would unquestionably take OBJ and especially Flowers over anybody on their roster.
 
GodIsGreat said:
Far more is insane, Didnt the chiefs have a top 2 o line last year, lets not act like this receiving core isnt mediocre its just upgraded,aghlor is the ravens 1st or 2nd best wr and he was wr3 on the pats last year, mahomes has the best coach and the greatest tight end
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Agholor as WR1 on this team? Based on what metrics?

He's #2 at WR, and #3 overall, and only because OBJ missed two games. He'll be the 4th option in the passing game, at best, by end of year. Basically exactly where he was in NE last year.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
lol no. Not close. Chiefs have a below average WR room.

If we offered Bateman, who's our third receiver, straight up for MVS, the Chiefs would salivate at the mouth, think we're joking, then hit accept before we had time to think about it. They would unquestionably take OBJ and especially Flowers over anybody on their roster.
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I like Rashee Rice. i think he has potential, and I'm telling you he will come out as their WR1
 
Thezone27 said:
I like Rashee Rice. i think he has potential, and I'm telling you he will come out as their WR1
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I agree. He's the best WR on their team at the moment.
MVS is like the textbook definition of average. He played in two systems with two high end QBs who have a ton of volume, and still doesn't produce a ton. They'll be looking to upgrade from him quickly next year.
 
GodIsGreat said:
Far more is insane, Didnt the chiefs have a top 2 o line last year, lets not act like this receiving core isnt mediocre its just upgraded,aghlor is the ravens 1st or 2nd best wr and he was wr3 on the pats last year, mahomes has the best coach and the greatest tight end
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Per PFF the Chiefs had the 4th offensive line last year with the Ravens at 2 and the Chiefs went ahead and let the 2nd best player on that line walk and replaced him with a T who does not know how to avoid committing penalties.

Meanwhile Agholor is neither the number 2 nor the number 1 WR on the Ravens. He is the number 4. Flowers is the 1. OBJ is certainly the 2 and Bateman is still the 3. Agholor is producing which is great but he is not the 1/2 WR. Meanwhile the other 3 WRs would be the number 1 WR on the Chiefs. That is how bad the Chiefs WR room is. I remember hearing people saying how bad they thought it was before the season and it somehow ended up worse than advertised. Kelce basically carries that offense but the Ravens have their own top 3 TE. I cannot imagine trying to argue the Ravens are light years more talented on offense than the Chiefs, minus the QB.
 
GodIsGreat said:
outproducing obj who had 2 acl injuries, and is available, now both chiefs and ravens have qb who can elevate so having top end talent isn't needed,
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OK, but he's not actually outproducing OBJ. OBJ has better metrics on a per game basis. He's outproducing him in aggregate because he's played two more games than OBJ.
 
GodIsGreat said:
The ravens do to? the wr1/2 on this team is aghlor who was wr3 last year on the pats

just saying production wise, but the both chiefs and ravens dont have good receiving core
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Define "good".
For context:

Patriots, Jets, Titans, Texans, Colts, Browns, Giants, Falcons, Panthers, Bears, Packers, Cardinals, Chiefs.

Those 13 teams, universally, have a worse WR core than the Ravens. And that group would widen if you included TEs as an overall "pass catcher" group. Every single one of those teams would trade their WR room for ours today with no hesitation.

Then you start throwing in teams like the Commanders, Saints, Bills who have maybe one really good WR but also have very little behind them and struggle when teams take away that player.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Define "good".
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better then medicore(what the ravens have) not bad but not good its just they have modern nfl passing concepts now
rmcjacket23 said:
Those 13 teams, universally, have a worse WR core than the Ravens. And that group would widen if you included TEs as an overall "pass catcher" group. Every single one of those teams would trade their WR room for ours today with no hesitation.
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Only one they trading would be zay, the ravens are like bottom 10 in passing
 
GodIsGreat said:
better then medicore(what the ravens have) not bad but not good its just they have modern nfl passing concepts now

Only one they trading would be zay, the ravens are like bottom 10 in passing
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What metric are they bottom 10 in passing?

And no, they'd be trading the whole WR room.

NE doesn't have a single WR on their roster better than Bateman or OBJ. Neither does Houston. Or the Giants. Or the Panthers. Or the Cardinals (and yes, that's a shot at Hollywood). Or the Chiefs.

OBJ or Bateman gets traded to the Chiefs, he's the #1 WR. Day one. Mahomes will target him more than everybody else not named Kelce.
 
GodIsGreat said:
regular team passing stats, only this is a mediocre group with one good wr and thats zay, again if your wr2 is aghlor im pretty sure you're not a good wr corp
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Which passing stats specifically? It's odd that you can't at least answer that question. I have the numbers in front of me, but I'm making an effort to let you support your own bad opinion first.
 
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