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The Defense, the Offense, and the Crabtree....

redrum52

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I must apologize to you @DeVito52. Grouped you in the apologist category and guess I was wrong.


Moving on, the games over and no point in staying pissed. On to Tennessee.
 
DeVito52

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gtalk12 said:
What did Crabtree have to do with the lack of run game, goaline int, and blocked FG?
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Exactly, to say the game was ultimately Crabtree’s fault is ridiculous.

I just said it sarcastly because that’s what numerous people have said.
 
DeVito52

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redrum52 said:
I must apologize to you @DeVito52. Grouped you in the apologist category and guess I was wrong.


Moving on, the games over and no point in staying pissed. On to Tennessee.
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Haha thanks. I’ve always been a big fan of Flacco but I have no problem being critical of him. My loyalty is Ravens first and then players next. I just want to see this damn team succeed again.

And yeah I agree, I allowed myself some time after the game to be pissed but now we are on to next week and let’s hope we can have a good rebound game.
 
Oldfaithful

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DeVito52 said:
Now that I’ve cooled off, we can point out the good from yesterday.

-Bowser played like 12 snaps, but he played well, had two pressures and the defense performed well as a whole while he was on the field. Hopefully we see more from him.

-Suggs and ZDS played very well, although ZDS still has a hard time finishing plays. Judon played well and had his first good game of the year.

-I will proudly admit I was wrong about wanting to cut Levine. He is playing flat out amazing. He played a ton of snaps and singlehandly caused a 4th down numerous times. He needs to continue getting a lot of snaps because we are way better when he’s on the field.

Henry looked good in his debut and will only get better.

For the not so good:

Hopefully Jimmy takes over most of Carr’s snaps soon because Carr is still a liability and he gave up the 39 yard game winning pass to a tight end.

Humphrey did not have a good day at all. On top of Njokus catches he got shredded by Higgins for the TD and he wasn’t even close to Higgins...he’s still getting better so we can live with it.

Buck outsnapped Collins by a good margin as Collins got beat up it looked like, and it showed in the run game. Collins NEEDS to get the majority of the runs. Buck can’t cut it. We desperately need Dixon right now. He’s really missing a great opportunity to make a name for himself right now, he’s the type of back we need with this weak Oline. Someone who creates something out of nothing.

People were crying to get Snead on the field more but he played almost as many snaps as Crab...disappointing that we didn’t see much of him or the tight ends.

Cleveland was the best defense we played this year so far but thats no excuse for putting up 9 points. We won’t be doing anything this year if they don’t improve.
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But I thought Bowser was a total bust who proves Ozzie needs to be fired?
 
Oldfaithful

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Flacco played like ass yesterday and so did Crabtree. And the gameplan was terrible. It was literally a perfect shitstorm offensively.

If there's a repeat performance, Flacco isn't staying long and Harbaugh and Marty are gone.
 
DeVito52

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Lost_In_Translation said:
Flacco played like ass yesterday and so did Crabtree. And the gameplan was terrible. It was literally a perfect shitstorm offensively.

If there's a repeat performance, Flacco isn't staying long and Harbaugh and Marty are gone.
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Were we fools for forgetting that most of us hated Marty and wanted him gone? I thought he turned a new leaf this year but maybe not...let’s hope that was a one time thing
 
redrum52

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There will be at least 2 more wildly frustrating performances like this if we go off history. I really dont get this team sometimes.
 
Oldfaithful

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redrum52 said:
There will be at least 2 more wildly frustrating performances like this if we go off history. I really dont get this team sometimes.
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This. And this is from all the Harbaugh era. It’s why I wanted it to end. Even when we were a top team it always how it was
 
JoeyFlex5

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DeVito52 said:
Exactly, to say the game was ultimately Crabtree’s fault is ridiculous.

I just said it sarcastly because that’s what numerous people have said.
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It’s the offenses fault. Joe had another one of his games where he locked on to guys and didn’t bother to scan the field, Crabtree dropped key passes, a blocked field goal, and HORRIBLE playcalling lost this game.

It’s hard to pin it all on one guy but at the same time when you’re in a position to win at the very end and one player blows that one play, it’s also kinda easy to. I understand that the entire course of the game leads to the outcome, but for me, when you blow the game winning play at the end to finish it, that play holds more weight than all else.

If we punch it in instead of throwing a pick at the goal line, who knows how it alters the course of the game. But if crab catches that ball at the end, it’s almost a certain win and there’s no altering the course after that, it’s game over(essentially). Blame needs to go all around, but a dropped game winning TD right off of your hands at the very end of the game holds more weight than the rest of the missed plays.
 
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JoeyFlex5 said:
It’s the offenses fault. Joe had another one of his games where he locked on to guys and didn’t bother to scan the field, Crabtree dropped key passes, a blocked field goal, and HORRIBLE playcalling lost this game.

It’s hard to pin it all on one guy but at the same time when you’re in a position to win at the very end and one player blows that one play, it’s also kinda easy to. I understand that the entire course of the game leads to the outcome, but for me, when you blow the game winning play at the end to finish it, that play holds more weight than all else.

If we punch it in instead of throwing a pick at the goal line, who knows how it alters the course of the game. But if crab catches that ball at the end, it’s almost a certain win and there’s no altering the course after that, it’s game over(essentially). Blame needs to go all around, but a dropped game winning TD right off of your hands at the very end of the game holds more weight than the rest of the missed plays.
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It was frustrating to watch Joe lock onto guys right from the snap. He threw Brown at least 5 passes where he was not even remotely open. Can’t stress enough how well Ward played. He and Garrett will be a real thorn in our side.

And I understand your thought process there. But to me, if we score on the goaline early in the game we don’t even have to rely on that last ditch effort.
 
RayRayRaven

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DeVito52 said:
While I was disappointed that Njoku had several key catches with Humphrey on him, Njoku is no slouch. He’s a 1st rd tight end and if he develops some more he will be elite. He’s a hard guy to cover, big and fast. I would expect Humphrey to be able to cover him though, as he’s a big corner. But it’s not THAT disappointing. Humphrey is only in his 2nd year! Cut him some slack.
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This is from the analysis at Humpf's NFL Combine, where he supposedly ran a 4.41, though I might have written this critique, I'm highly skeptical Humpf can run a 4.41, heres the analysis:

" Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts."

Maybe I wrote that blurb, maybe I didn't.

Heres the easy route Rashard Higgins 4.64 combine laid on Humpf. Film isn't often evaluated accurately here, but FYI this is a simple lean to the outside, taking advantage of Humpf's insistence to play off a receiver and stay behind him. As soon as Higgins sees Marlon lean out for cushion he slants to the inside and is open like many have been getting open on Humpf. Including the unremarkable tight end I'll address in the next comment below. Humpf is no where in the picture. The Rook scorched him for the easiest of Touchdowns. Humpf didn't play much after that.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...yfield-gives-Browns-lead-with-19-yard-TD-dart

Lost_In_Translation said:
He could be like Gronk, Kelce, and Ertz and straight up impossible to cover. Him, and OJ Howard in particular.

I like Hurst but I don't see that with him.
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Thinking Humpf might play Safety at some point, his pass defense against Tight Ends isn't that good either. You ask your safeties to pick up tight ends and though Humpf can tackle, he rarely defends a pass like an NFL corner.
 
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TheCity5 said:
https://twitter.com/rnbwcv/status/1048989985125408769?s=21

I don’t have the time stamps, but these are passes throw well beyond the LOS, so you have to say that these plays would’ve either kept the drive going to assisted at that.

I will admit the problem here is that it doesn’t show the line to gain or the down. I will go through the game log and see how this played a factor on the drive.

FWIW, I don’t think Crabtree would be so down on himself if he didn’t believe his drops didn’t play a factor in the loss. I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for the loss, but I think it’s fair to say he played a factor in it.
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You think Crabtree would just be super okay with his dropped passes, especially when he dropped a potential game winner?

Obviously he played a part, but so did Joe and a handful of others.

Also, gamepass goes up tomorrow and I will watch the drops tomorrow. I know the first was 100% short on third down. Not sure about the second.
 
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JoeyFlex5 said:
It’s the offenses fault. Joe had another one of his games where he locked on to guys and didn’t bother to scan the field, Crabtree dropped key passes, a blocked field goal, and HORRIBLE playcalling lost this game.

It’s hard to pin it all on one guy but at the same time when you’re in a position to win at the very end and one player blows that one play, it’s also kinda easy to. I understand that the entire course of the game leads to the outcome, but for me, when you blow the game winning play at the end to finish it, that play holds more weight than all else.

If we punch it in instead of throwing a pick at the goal line, who knows how it alters the course of the game. But if crab catches that ball at the end, it’s almost a certain win and there’s no altering the course after that, it’s game over(essentially). Blame needs to go all around, but a dropped game winning TD right off of your hands at the very end of the game holds more weight than the rest of the missed plays.
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Completely disagree. Why do you need to be in a position where a dropped pass is the decider in a game where the opponent scored 9 points? Why is a single play, out of 72 in regulation, mind you, the deciding factor in a game where the opposing offense did nothing? No, this play should not hold more weight. The Ravens should have taken care of business and gotten it done early. Never put yourself in this position.
 
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RayRayRaven said:
This is from the analysis at Humpf's NFL Combine, where he supposedly ran a 4.41, though I might have written this critique, I'm highly skeptical Humpf can run a 4.41, heres the analysis:

" Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts."

Maybe I wrote that blurb, maybe I didn't.

Heres the easy route Rashard Higgins 4.64 combine laid on Humpf. Film isn't often evaluated accurately here, but FYI this is a simple lean to the outside, taking advantage of Humpf's insistence to play off a receiver and stay behind him. As soon as Higgins sees Marlon lean out for cushion he slants to the inside and is open like many have been getting open on Humpf. Including the unremarkable tight end I'll address in the next comment below. Humpf is no where in the picture. The Rook scorched him for the easiest of Touchdowns. Humpf didn't play much after that.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...yfield-gives-Browns-lead-with-19-yard-TD-dart



Thinking Humpf might play Safety at some point, his pass defense against Tight Ends isn't that good either. You ask your safeties to pick up tight ends and though Humpf can tackle, he rarely defends a pass like an NFL corner.
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Two things

Humphrey played about the entire game

Higgins is a third year pro.

Hard to take troll posts seriously with such glaring and easily avoided mistakes.
 
redrum52

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29BmoreBird22 said:
Completely disagree. Why do you need to be in a position where a dropped pass is the decider in a game where the opponent scored 9 points? Why is a single play, out of 72 in regulation, mind you, the deciding factor in a game where the opposing offense did nothing? No, this play should not hold more weight. The Ravens should have taken care of business and gotten it done early. Never put yourself in this position.
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You already know where this rabbit hole leads.

29BmoreBird22 said:
Two things

Humphrey played about the entire game

Higgins is a third year pro.

Hard to take troll posts seriously with such glaring and easily avoided mistakes.
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Na... YOU'RE WRONG!

Nothing better than...
RayRayRaven said:
" Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts."

Maybe I wrote that blurb, maybe I didn't.
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Can't beat this.
 
RayRayRaven

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29BmoreBird22 said:
Two things

Humphrey played about the entire game

Higgins is a third year pro.

Hard to take troll posts seriously with such glaring and easily avoided mistakes.
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Just two truths.
I'll rest this game, on the blown plays by Humpf and his absence when he should otherwise have been in.
I'm sorry you have such high regard for a guy that is gonna bust at Corner. But then you've already stated you can't tell talent to save your life. (You didn't have to say it though).
If we had a chance to get to the playoffs this year, Humpf is gonna hurt us if he's back there.
 
Edgar

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The Ravens’ red zone woes started in the second quarter when Flacco threw an interception to Browns cornerback Denzel Ward on a pass that Walker referred to as “an ill-advised throw into double coverage.” Flacco said after the game that he was trying to throw the ball away to tight end Nick Boyle’s feet, but the pass got deflected. (from Baltimore ravens.com)

He definitely didn't get that ball deflected throwing toward the ground. It looked live as if he was forcing the ball to Boyle but It looks like he could have been targeting Snead in the corner.
 
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