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Lamar Jackson

allblackraven

allblackraven

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JoeyFlex5 said:
So I can recall ONE bootleg. It was out of a heavy set, we hit a WIDE open nick Boyle and he tumbled for a 12 yard gain or so.

The question is... with the run game working so well, lamar being a very good thrower on the run, and our TEs being the strength of this offense... why the hell did we only call one? If you want lamar to throw more, run more boots, use hurst out of the H back or inline, let him chip and break away for the out and get downfield with the ball, let Andrews be the 2nd read about 8 yards deep streaking across the field. Use the damn bootleg, it’s the most effective pass play for a mobile qb, it scares the LB and sucks them in giving the TE a nice soft zone to catch it in, all it takes is a little touch to get it there, and if the LB/S isn’t sucked in then lamar makes them pay with his legs.

We need boots and waggles, and we need RPOs with the P actually involved.
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It's because Marty comes from Paleozoic and Harbs is incompetent on that side of the ball and lets offensive authority do whatever authority thinks is best.

I wish they get stuck in traffic and run late for the Raiders game, so boys can play some footy.
 
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3-4ravdef509

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I’m not saying Joe Flacco hasn’t under performed at times. But I have zero faith in them are Jackson to be a long-term starting successful franchise quarterback. His ceiling is Michael Vick and his most likely trajectory is RG3.
 
cdp

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3-4ravdef509 said:
I’m not saying Joe Flacco hasn’t under performed at times. But I have zero faith in them are Jackson to be a long-term starting successful franchise quarterback. His ceiling is Michael Vick and his most likely trajectory is RG3.
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I don't like Marty's playcalling at all, but I do like what Urban has taught him so far.
I think ( better I hope) they decided to get Lamar as comfortable as possible so they went with a run heavy approach. The bengals couldn't stop the run so why shouldn't the ravens stop running and start to drop back every snap. This was an ideal scenario for lamar to get his feet wet.
Obviously this isn't sustainable. But consider this Lamar is only 21 and willing to learn. Most rookies tend to lose their confidence and make stupid decisions once they make mistakes. Not Lamar. He threw an INT and botched a low snap,he got back to the bench talked to his receivers and Urban and didn't lose any confidence and continued to make plays.
 
SepticeyePoe

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RavensMania said:
yes, 2016 was the last game. I know we came back against the Browns that year (kick 6) and another one later in the year. Can't remember who it was against though.
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The kick 6 was 2015. Don't remember what the other game was.
 
JoeyFlex5

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Here’s my issue with how people are evaluating lamar, so many are saying things like “what if the defense stacks the box and forces you to pass?” Uhhh... you pass. Duh. I understand lamar isn’t some elite passer, but the guy isn’t completely incapable of throwing a goddamn football, why are people acting like he literally can not throw a football to save his life? He’s not the best passer but with his run threat and what his presence does to manipulate a defense, he only needs to be adequate, which I think he certainly is.

Not to mention, they stacked the shit out of the box and dared us to pass, we still ran it right up their buttholes. You think the bengals were expecting a pass heavy game and didn’t stack the box? How are people not seeing the obvious here?
 
JoeyFlex5

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3-4ravdef509 said:
I’m not saying Joe Flacco hasn’t under performed at times. But I have zero faith in them are Jackson to be a long-term starting successful franchise quarterback. His ceiling is Michael Vick and his most likely trajectory is RG3.
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A ceiling of Michael Vick is a high ass ceiling, if those early 2000s falcons knew how to build a team they would’ve won at least one super bowl, he CARRIED a trash team to a NFCCG very early in his career.

And his trajectory is not rg3, he’s already sharper, cleaner, and smarter than rg3 who’s entire pass game was arm and accuracy with nothing between the ears.
 
cdp

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RavensMania said:
yes, 2016 was the last game. I know we came back against the Browns that year (kick 6) and another one later in the year. Can't remember who it was against though.
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We also came back against the Broncos this season, unless you only count trailing in the 4th quarter.
 
RL52TheGreatest

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JoeyFlex5 said:
Here’s my issue with how people are evaluating lamar, so many are saying things like “what if the defense stacks the box and forces you to pass?” Uhhh... you pass. Duh. I understand lamar isn’t some elite passer, but the guy isn’t completely incapable of throwing a goddamn football, why are people acting like he literally can not throw a football to save his life? He’s not the best passer but with his run threat and what his presence does to manipulate a defense, he only needs to be adequate, which I think he certainly is.

Not to mention, they stacked the shit out of the box and dared us to pass, we still ran it right up their buttholes. You think the bengals were expecting a pass heavy game and didn’t stack the box? How are people not seeing the obvious here?
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With Lamar's ability to extend plays, it's going to create a ton of problems for defenders. If they leave their guy to help contain Lamar then someone is going to get open downfield and Lamar should be able to hit on at least a few of those plays; if they don't try to help contain Lamar then he's going to be able to beat LBs around the edge and will pick up first downs that way.
 
allblackraven

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JoeyFlex5 said:
Here’s my issue with how people are evaluating lamar, so many are saying things like “what if the defense stacks the box and forces you to pass?” Uhhh... you pass. Duh. I understand lamar isn’t some elite passer, but the guy isn’t completely incapable of throwing a goddamn football, why are people acting like he literally can not throw a football to save his life? He’s not the best passer but with his run threat and what his presence does to manipulate a defense, he only needs to be adequate, which I think he certainly is.

Not to mention, they stacked the shit out of the box and dared us to pass, we still ran it right up their buttholes. You think the bengals were expecting a pass heavy game and didn’t stack the box? How are people not seeing the obvious here?
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We need to start passing more right now. We can't run QB into the ground, this shit has to stop before some 250lbs linebacker kills Lamar.
 
rossihunter2

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Matt Waldman on twitter did some really nice breakdowns of Lamar's passing - lots of positives to take out of this game - little things that show he's ahead of where many qbs are at this stage of their careers in terms of pocket presence, ball placement, reading the field

personally i just want to see him launch it a couple of times

EDIT:
some nice breakdowns from michael crawford (@abukari) on twitter too
 
The Raven

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Lamar Jackson performed as I expected. He confirmed my concerns but also showed a lot of promise. I will always be concerned when a QB has more rush yards and rush attempts than pass yards and pass attempts. However, I'm an ardent believe in taking what the defense gives you and doing what it takes to move the chains. He did show the ability to make good throws. He generally hit receivers in stride and had timing -- two things Joe has rarely done.

If the incessant running turns into a trend, I'll begin to cast doubt. But for now, I'm content with his performance and looking forward to him starting the rest of the season.
 
rossihunter2

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The Raven said:
Lamar Jackson performed as I expected. He confirmed my concerns but also showed a lot of promise. I will always be concerned when a QB has more rush yards and rush attempts than pass yards and pass attempts. However, I'm an ardent believe in taking what the defense gives you and doing what it takes to move the chains. He did show the ability to make good throws. He generally hit receivers in stride and had timing -- two things Joe has rarely done.

If the incessant running turns into a trend, I'll begin to cast doubt. But for now, I'm content with his performance and looking forward to him starting the rest of the season.
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im not worried about the running yet - for a few reasons:

  1. We didnt call 27 designed runs
  2. Jackson didnt take off over and over to scramble for 2 yards every snap
  3. When Jackson did scramble his first thought was always to pass
  4. A large proportion of the runs came on read options where the defence gave him the space to run so he took it
If we start seeing a game plan where we continue to have a large number of designed runs called then this starts to become a problem - and if we see more RPOs but just as many runs then ill start to worry

but going back to the film that feels like it would be a gameplan/playcalling issue more than a lamar issue at the moment
 
Ellicottraven

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Grim said:
I’d agree I don’t think anyone knows what’ll happen at QB. It’s all guesswork. It’s a tough spot for Harbaugh to be sure but I just think it’ll be tough to also move away from Joe even if Lamar lights up these two teams because they are relatively bad defenses but to be fair CIN always gives us fits except for some outliers so hey who knows. I just liked what I saw and I’d like to see more of it but I want to see him throw more. I think he can do it but I want to see it happen you know? I love the guy’s moxie—he doesn’t seem to fold when pressured.
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I just saw a video with Prime, Sharpe and LT talking about whether Lamar should continue at QB. Interesting points of view. You should check it out. It's posted on BR.com right now.
 
JoeyFlex5

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The Raven said:
Lamar Jackson performed as I expected. He confirmed my concerns but also showed a lot of promise. I will always be concerned when a QB has more rush yards and rush attempts than pass yards and pass attempts. However, I'm an ardent believe in taking what the defense gives you and doing what it takes to move the chains. He did show the ability to make good throws. He generally hit receivers in stride and had timing -- two things Joe has rarely done.

If the incessant running turns into a trend, I'll begin to cast doubt. But for now, I'm content with his performance and looking forward to him starting the rest of the season.
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He passed for more yards than he rushed and had a really efficient day. The whole “learn to slide” panic is overblown, first drive he was going too hard but after that he was mostly taking the zone read(I refuse to call it RPO until the pass is implemented as a real threat) up the field and out of bounds, he was running in space for 3 1/2 quarters, one drive he was out there acting like a RB and he took 2 big hits and started to take it easy(the Kirkpatrick hit was borderline dirty and he obviously was taking shots at lamar there).

There is still no reason for concern or doubt in his passing, he did well there, I really don’t understand the constant shitting on the kids arm, the run game worked incredibly well so why throw it? Ravens fans begged for us to run the damn ball more despite it clearly not working, then when it works to an incredible level you all call for more passing, and in that same breath you’ll shit on Marty for suddenly going away from what’s working.. can’t please these people... 13-19 for 150 is an efficient day, Flacco has had a shitload of days where he threw for less than 200 with way more attempts and no rushing yards.
 
rossihunter2

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JoeyFlex5 said:
He passed for more yards than he rushed and had a really efficient day. The whole “learn to slide” panic is overblown, first drive he was going too hard but after that he was mostly taking the zone read(I refuse to call it RPO until the pass is implemented as a real threat) up the field and out of bounds, he was running in space for 3 1/2 quarters, one drive he was out there acting like a RB and he took 2 big hits and started to take it easy(the Kirkpatrick hit was borderline dirty and he obviously was taking shots at lamar there).

There is still no reason for concern or doubt in his passing, he did well there, I really don’t understand the constant shitting on the kids arm, the run game worked incredibly well so why throw it? Ravens fans begged for us to run the damn ball more despite it clearly not working, then when it works to an incredible level you all call for more passing, and in that same breath you’ll shit on Marty for suddenly going away from what’s working.. can’t please these people... 13-19 for 150 is an efficient day, Flacco has had a shitload of days where he threw for less than 200 with way more attempts and no rushing yards.
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exactly - i think we'd all like to see lamar throw it more but he had nearly 8 ypa today (i know it's a small sample size) which is way better than flacco's season of 6.5 ypa
 
JoeyFlex5

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Another thing that’s been irking the shit out of me is the number of talking heads saying that lamar was nervous and jittery in the pocket... what the hell were these people watching? He was escaping when the pocket broke down and reestablishing the pocket after he bought himself space, and he shifted through the pocket with good footwork and vision as it was closing in on him.

It’s fucking MIND BOGGLING how many people take what is typically said about a run first qb and parrot it all over the media without actually knowing what their watching and forming their own opinions. These people are actually watching lamar Jackson play, and then going online and typing this shit out, with all the time in the world to make sure they’re saying the right thing, and actually posting it. If these people all saw lamar consistently panic and get shaky in the pocket(looking at you 105.7 morning show and every nfl.com article I’ve read so far) I wanna know what they think of joe Flacco in the pocket.
 
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