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The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

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Tank

Hall of Famer
This country has a problem. Its extremism. Extremism is always met with extremism.

Whole heartedly agree with this, and none of it is constructive nor will it fix any issues. Folks need to stop attacking each other, dwelling on issues rather than RECOGNIZING the issues and working at or proposing ways to fix them.
 

Willbacker

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but it's not immigration, it's how greedy these companies really are. Remember, just because you can do something does not mean you should.

If you don't think immigration especially the illegal variety and how it ties in is the main part of the problem I don't know what to tell you. Companies either go over there or they bring the labor here.

Can I tell you guys something? As someone who dislikes politics because it turns into "my team is right because it's my team"

I really hate Trump. Whether you support him or not, it is clear that he makes comments you just shouldn't make. Why would you tell anyone who's born IN America to go back to whatever country their parents are from? Why? What is the purpose in saying that? I know exactly who takes comments like that and RUN with it. Everyone on this board is smart enough to know what I am talking about.


It just so happens that these women aren't white and it goes back to what I've told some of you about my experiences in America. In a marriage, when your wife brings up issues with you, do you immediately point at another couples marriage to make the stupid shit your doing look better? Hell no and you wouldn't appreciate it if it was done to you.

Words mean things, we should not ignore them. Ever. Trump is a dickhead, and racists gravitate to him. Even when confronted and told that Trump doesn't speak FOR them they still feel he does.


This country has a problem. Its extremism. Extremism is always met with extremism.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ore-black-voices-that-dont-want-to-be-a-black

I guess brown and black people can only think a certain way according to this woman. That to me is a racist way to think. The problem with your whole post you're completely being one way about it. These women talk like this country is a 3rd world dictatorship completely run by racists. Trump has been called a mf'r,Nazi,racist,anti-semite,anti-gay,white supremacist. We're running concentration camps. People drinking out of toilets. Border patrol are child molesters and keep them in cages. Heck the US flag was pulled down and replaced with a Mexican flag at an ICE facility in Colorado. You say Trump makes comments that shouldnt be made well how bout these 4 women? How bout the way Trump supporters are treated? Look at what I bolded and underlined. Again it works 2 ways

Again Trump was none of these things until he ran for president!!! Now when you talk about racists gravitating to him you do realize theres all kinds of different forms of racism. There's a lot of black people hate white people. There's Hispanics that hate blacks. There's Muslims that don't like Jewish people. Who are they gravitating too? Trump?
 

Willbacker

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i mean i also described how trumps comments fit your definition of racism too but go ahead and ignore that clearly...

and its not just these things as well, he's been doing and saying racist things his whole life including during his presidency - there's a reason racists flock to him - because he speaks for them

when asked today if he was worried about being called racist, trump said he doesnt care because a lot of people agree with him...

that's a worrying indictment of him

He's saying he's not worried about being called a racist since that word has absolutely lost its meaning.
 

52520Andrew

Pro Bowler
He also told them to come back and tell him how to fix the problems. All they do is keep telling everybody how terrible our country is. Do you have a problem with Trump or his supporters being called Nazis or white supremacists? And its been nonstop. All these women do is use racism as a weapon and one even called Trump an mf'r. This is not ok anymore. The only time these women get in trouble are when they call out other Dems. They are just flat out left wing radicals. Again #Dems Can Say and Do Anything.

Also yes this country deserves some criticism like any country and you may certainly question my knowledge of history cuz of 1st amendment rights but I'm gonna tell you here and now I know my history and I know the Constitution very well.
Then you know that they are of the people, by the people, and for the people. They work for us. If their response to criticism is to essentially say screw you, I don't care what you think, leave the country if you don't like it, then that tells me all I really need to know about his thoughts on the first ammendment and honestly the election and our system of government as a whole. We know better than you and if you don't like what we are doing then leave. That certainly doesn't sound like someone who cares to defend the constitution.

And the thing is, if the criticism isn't valid, that is even less reason to resort to the tactics he did because there would be plenty of other ways to win that argument. But here he feels the need to stoop to their level. If you are so much better then be the bigger man. But I think his actions tell you all you need to know about that.
 

52520Andrew

Pro Bowler
Well this thread took a turn. I am not even going to get into race here(I just don't have the time or patience for that honestly), but I do agree that the extremism is what I have a problem with. I really wonder sometimes if either side would be fine with a dictatorship if it meant their side was in power. I increasingly am seeing evidence in support of this. Really sad to see this country divided and the man who is supposed to bring us together stooping down to the level of some young congressmembers trying to make a name for themselves.

Oh, also wanted to mention while we were on this subject that we all know what launched Trump's political career right?
 

rossihunter2

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How do they fit the definition? Because you made the assumption that since none of them were lilly white, it must be racist? It couldn't possibly be because he doesn't know these women personally and saw the names? It couldn't be because the [Muslim (edited by a moderator)] was not born in this country and he made assumptions? Nah...couldn't be. Lets just play the racist card per usual. Trump must clearly have meant that white people are superior to these people and they must leave.
I ignored your points because there are other perfectly rational reasons, and you are ignoring the context of his comment in the first place, which was to defend Pelosi of all people from criticism from AOC that Pelosi was being a racist.

He doesn't speak for racists, nor has he done racist things. And why should he care whether people call him a racist when the media has already been trying to portray him as one since 2016? He already knows that there is a brainwashed cult of people who will try to paint him as racist no matter what.

whatever your thoughts on trump's comments being racist im afraid i cant abide people on this board board being racist

you cannot and this is an actual warning as a moderator to you, use racial slurs to describe anyone
 
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gtalk12

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If you don't think immigration especially the illegal variety and how it ties in is the main part of the problem I don't know what to tell you. Companies either go over there or they bring the labor here.



https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ore-black-voices-that-dont-want-to-be-a-black

I guess brown and black people can only think a certain way according to this woman. That to me is a racist way to think. The problem with your whole post you're completely being one way about it. These women talk like this country is a 3rd world dictatorship completely run by racists. Trump has been called a mf'r,Nazi,racist,anti-semite,anti-[profanity deleted],white supremacist. We're running concentration camps. People drinking out of toilets. Border patrol are child molesters and keep them in cages. Heck the US flag was pulled down and replaced with a Mexican flag at an ICE facility in Colorado. You say Trump makes comments that shouldnt be made well how bout these 4 women? How bout the way Trump supporters are treated? Look at what I bolded and underlined. Again it works 2 ways

Again Trump was none of these things until he ran for president!!! Now when you talk about racists gravitating to him you do realize theres all kinds of different forms of racism. There's a lot of black people hate white people. There's Hispanics that hate blacks. There's Muslims that don't like Jewish people. Who are they gravitating too? Trump?

The difference between Trump and these women is one very small detail.

He is the President of the United States. Anyone who is president can and will be made fun of and chastised. Did you feel the same or care when Obama was president? Or do you only care because he is a Republican. Obama has been called racist, a muslim (for some reason that derogatory), and also was accused of not even being an American. You never guess who started that one.......

Racists did not gravitate to others like they do Trump. This is the point I made a long time ago, you either don't care to see it or don't want to see it. Again, extremism is going to be met with extremism.

You keep choosing a side, I keep telling you both do the same shit back and forth. You are worried about what people say that aren't the president, I'm telling you talking like that as the leader of the free world is probably a bad idea.


You have a horse in this race, I don't. That's why it bothers you when I point out the obvious. You immediately bring up something else by saying "oh yea? well she does this and he does this"


To you and the "left" Trump wasn't racist. As someone who really cares about the state of the country as a WHOLE and how people deal with each other, I could have told you that he was as a bad choice because of his attitude towards things. People choose to forget things when it's convenient.

I don't.


The time will come where I may have to say the same shit about the other side. Don't you worry
 

gtalk12

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People CHOOSE to ignore things.


Trump has made comments about minorities well before his run for president....same with Hillary.


Miss me with the left and right crap. Both of them can...

I don't even know what I can say without getting in trouble lol
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
People CHOOSE to ignore things.


Trump has made comments about minorities well before his run for president....same with Hillary.


Miss me with the left and right crap. Both of them can...

I don't even know what I can say without getting in trouble lol
considering ban. Abuse of power is coming
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
People CHOOSE to ignore things.


Trump has made comments about minorities well before his run for president....same with Hillary.


Miss me with the left and right crap. Both of them can...

I don't even know what I can say without getting in trouble lol
Let me finish it for you.......They can go fuck themselves.
 

Willbacker

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The difference between Trump and these women is one very small detail.

He is the President of the United States. Anyone who is president can and will be made fun of and chastised. Did you feel the same or care when Obama was president? Or do you only care because he is a Republican. Obama has been called racist, a muslim (for some reason that derogatory), and also was accused of not even being an American. You never guess who started that one.......

Racists did not gravitate to others like they do Trump. This is the point I made a long time ago, you either don't care to see it or don't want to see it. Again, extremism is going to be met with extremism.

You keep choosing a side, I keep telling you both do the same shit back and forth. You are worried about what people say that aren't the president, I'm telling you talking like that as the leader of the free world is probably a bad idea.


You have a horse in this race, I don't. That's why it bothers you when I point out the obvious. You immediately bring up something else by saying "oh yea? well she does this and he does this"


To you and the "left" Trump wasn't racist. As someone who really cares about the state of the country as a WHOLE and how people deal with each other, I could have told you that he was as a bad choice because of his attitude towards things. People choose to forget things when it's convenient.

I don't.


The time will come where I may have to say the same shit about the other side. Don't you worry

Again only one form of racism. You're killing me man. And yes we know who started the Obama was not American crap. Her name. Hillary Clinton.
Yes I have chosen a side and its not the open borders socialist left that cry racism as their only battlecry.
 

52520Andrew

Pro Bowler
Indeed. See, we can come to be friends.
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Tank

Hall of Famer
usmccharles is lurking somewhere, but notice he’s not returned to post in this thread. A politics topic was always a bad idea.
 

gtalk12

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Again only one form of racism. You're killing me man. And yes we know who started the Obama was not American crap. Her name. Hillary Clinton.
Yes I have chosen a side and its not the open borders socialist left that cry racism as their only battlecry.


No lol, you're killing me. We can address that separately. Focus on what I'm saying about our president.
 
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