The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

flynismo said:

No, not at all. Just because the things he says is abrasive, or melts some snowflakes, it doesn't mean it is wrong or untrue.
And I gotta say, after 8 years of a spineless coward in office (Obama), I love having someone with a set of brass balls running this country.
The only things I don't want him saying is anything that is untrue or stretching the truth. And he does do that as well. But whatevs, I'll take the bad with the good when it comes to that.

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lol.....He's too over the top with the twitter shit for my taste. I prefer a bit of humility while there's an ass kicking in progress.

Tank said:

OK, but what you said in your post would lead one to believe you thought he was impeached for having promiscuous sex while in office.

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Then it came across the wrong way.

gtalk12 said:

I've never backtracked or changed my stance. Every time I bring up something Trump should not be doing you immediately point out what someone else said or did.

You don't actually acknowledge what Trump did. So it comes off as you defending it.


In what world is chanting "Send her back" acceptable? Are you kidding me?

Even hardcore guys on the right are in shock.


Do you even understand where this could go?

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I have said before that Trump is not very well spoken but I do believe he is taken way too figuratively. A s far as the send her back chant those weren't Trump's words that got them going but the complete facts which every one is provable that came out of Omar's mouth.When I point out what somebody else said like the media or lawmakers their words hold just as much strength as Trumps. Just look around.

I want to get back to extremism met with extremism comments that you said. Its something that really bothers me. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth since I dont know exactly what you mean by it. Whether Trump is being pushed back cuz of his extremism or the other way around but lets dissect it. So we all know Trump was shit on from the start so basically I'm just gonna keep on the campaign trail. Was the P word extreme? It was to some especially women but lets be real this was a hot mic and a completely dirty act by ABC to sit on something like this. It was newsworthy like it should have been but this shouldnt be met with extremism. It was a comment. Crude yes but just a comment. I'm sure none of his policies like tax cuts, redoing trade deals, bringing jobs back and pretty much anything else on the agenda was extreme. At least I hope not. So that leaves one thing. Racism. Ok there's only 2 things I clearly remember and if I'm missing one anybody can enlighten me. The 2 claims are "Mexicans are criminals and rapists" and "The Muslim ban". Securing the border is important for a bevy of reasons but one of the main ones is crimes. First off he never said Mexicans are criminals and rapists like the left claims nor has he said most or all. If I'm wrong and I'm talking to anybody prove it. The left calling all the illegal border crossers Mexicans is racist imo and it shouldnt take a genius to figger out why and there is lots of crime thats coming across the border. I mean we can talk about drugs, human smuggling and thats just the tip of the iceberg. So when Trump wants to secure the border really is it extreme. Or is it extreme when the left says we hate brown people which is why they say Trump wants to secure the border and then create lies about the border patrol and the conditions down there. First it was manufactured now its Trumps fault lol. I can go on and on about how its the lefts fault but lets not make this post 10 pages long. The 2nd one the Muslim ban. Obama already labeled the 7 countries Trump was talking about as terrorist countries and were already embedded on the watch list and he banned travel from Iran for a period of time. Damn sure wasnt racist then but here comes Trump wanting to put a temporary ban on travel from these countries so people could be properly vetted. Not extreme to me. The one thing that possibly could be labeled as extreme he brought up radical Islam and if people want to believe that doesnt exist then whatever floats your boat. The thing is is that lefties called it a Muslim ban but yet people from Egypt, Kazakastan, Burma, Jordan in other words a whole mess of countries that were predominantly Muslim still had free travel. The bottomline is is that Dems have been shouting racism not for just years but decades before Trump.

You have also said racists flock to Trump (even tho you said you do not believe he is racist) and I'm just gonna assume you mean the KKK and Nazis and people of that ilk. You really want to know why? The Dems abandoned them and its a 2 party system so they trying to latch to something. When it comes to racism I'm always gonna believe the Dems are the true racists with their identity politics and their beliefs that people of color should only think a certain way and thats just being proven to me time and time again. MAGA is not MAWA. Never has been. Never will be.

Its really a shame since I love to talk politics that race is now in the forefront and saying this I'm done talking about this subject but this crap I had to get off my chest cuz I'm tired of the portrayel and the bullshit the media and the left spew. gtalk I will respond to you since I did quote your post but all of what I've said really wasnt directed just at you plus I know I added a lot of content.

Tank said:

lol.....He's too over the top with the twitter shit for my taste. I prefer a bit of humility while there's an ass kicking in progress.

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Yeah I think somebody needs to go steal his cell phone. I understand he doesn't trust the media but seriously can some proofreading be done first.

gtalk12 said:

They are all liars, I think we can pretty much all agree on that. That's not a difficult thing to say at all.


None of that has anything to do with what I said.

He takes things too far and plays right into the hands of people that will say things like "build a wall, build a wall" to children and also "send her back"


For the last time, he may not be racist (I am on record saying that I don't think he is) but the manner that he speaks in empowers those who are racist and prejudice to others.

There was a terrible documentary that I saw that linked Trump to be the greatest president since Lincoln and in that video that had the white supremacist saying just how much Trump spoke for them even though the narrator kept telling him that was not the case. Richard Spencer was the name of that particular guy.

Even when TOLD that Trump did not speak for them he insisted that he did.


So again, some polish would not hurt. Maybe I am to young, but since I have been around I have never seen a President openly speak in a manner that empowers guys like this.

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What does it mean to "empower" them?
Do they only exist and act up when a Repub is in office? Are they able to commit crimes without repercussions? What exactly is meant by "empowering them"?

flynismo said:

What does it mean to "empower" them?
Do they only exist and act up when a Repub is in office? Are they able to commit crimes without repercussions? What exactly is meant by "empowering them"?

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Who said anything about Republicans? I said Trump.

Willbacker said:

I have said before that Trump is not very well spoken but I do believe he is taken way too figuratively. A s far as the send her back chant those weren't Trump's words that got them going but the complete facts which every one is provable that came out of Omar's mouth.When I point out what somebody else said like the media or lawmakers their words hold just as much strength as Trumps. Just look around.

I want to get back to extremism met with extremism comments that you said. Its something that really bothers me. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth since I dont know exactly what you mean by it. Whether Trump is being pushed back cuz of his extremism or the other way around but lets dissect it. So we all know Trump was shit on from the start so basically I'm just gonna keep on the campaign trail. Was the P word extreme? It was to some especially women but lets be real this was a hot mic and a completely dirty act by ABC to sit on something like this. It was newsworthy like it should have been but this shouldnt be met with extremism. It was a comment. Crude yes but just a comment. I'm sure none of his policies like tax cuts, redoing trade deals, bringing jobs back and pretty much anything else on the agenda was extreme. At least I hope not. So that leaves one thing. Racism. Ok there's only 2 things I clearly remember and if I'm missing one anybody can enlighten me. The 2 claims are "Mexicans are criminals and rapists" and "The Muslim ban". Securing the border is important for a bevy of reasons but one of the main ones is crimes. First off he never said Mexicans are criminals and rapists like the left claims nor has he said most or all. If I'm wrong and I'm talking to anybody prove it. The left calling all the illegal border crossers Mexicans is racist imo and it shouldnt take a genius to figger out why and there is lots of crime thats coming across the border. I mean we can talk about drugs, human smuggling and thats just the tip of the iceberg. So when Trump wants to secure the border really is it extreme. Or is it extreme when the left says we hate brown people which is why they say Trump wants to secure the border and then create lies about the border patrol and the conditions down there. First it was manufactured now its Trumps fault lol. I can go on and on about how its the lefts fault but lets not make this post 10 pages long. The 2nd one the Muslim ban. Obama already labeled the 7 countries Trump was talking about as terrorist countries and were already embedded on the watch list and he banned travel from Iran for a period of time. Damn sure wasnt racist then but here comes Trump wanting to put a temporary ban on travel from these countries so people could be properly vetted. Not extreme to me. The one thing that possibly could be labeled as extreme he brought up radical Islam and if people want to believe that doesnt exist then whatever floats your boat. The thing is is that lefties called it a Muslim ban but yet people from Egypt, Kazakastan, Burma, Jordan in other words a whole mess of countries that were predominantly Muslim still had free travel. The bottomline is is that Dems have been shouting racism not for just years but decades before Trump.

You have also said racists flock to Trump (even tho you said you do not believe he is racist) and I'm just gonna assume you mean the KKK and Nazis and people of that ilk. You really want to know why? The Dems abandoned them and its a 2 party system so they trying to latch to something. When it comes to racism I'm always gonna believe the Dems are the true racists with their identity politics and their beliefs that people of color should only think a certain way and thats just being proven to me time and time again. MAGA is not MAWA. Never has been. Never will be.

Its really a shame since I love to talk politics that race is now in the forefront and saying this I'm done talking about this subject but this crap I had to get off my chest cuz I'm tired of the portrayel and the bullshit the media and the left spew. gtalk I will respond to you since I did quote your post but all of what I've said really wasnt directed just at you plus I know I added a lot of content.

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I agree with almost all of this. Which is why I mentioned a few times that I dont think Trump is racist.

If you really want to know how I feel about the "left" you could have asked me.

I think there are some on the left that cant wait to scream racist by saying racist shit. I don't trust alot of the talking heads on the left. They hide behind being "inclusive"

flynismo said:

What does it mean to "empower" them?
Do they only exist and act up when a Repub is in office? Are they able to commit crimes without repercussions? What exactly is meant by "empowering them"?

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Trump instigates, you and EYE can deduce and understand what Trunp may or may not mean. We know better. However there are a loud few that take bits and pieces of what he says and run with it, on both sides to be fair. When you have white supremacists supporting you something is alittle off.

Reference my previous post.

I'm not a Democrat boys lol

gtalk12 said:

I'm not a Democrat boys lol

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Never called you one lol.

@Willbacker unfortunately, race has played a heavy roll in politics for a long time. It's all for their own gain.

Tank said:

Trump should be banned from twitter and social media in general, definitely needs to stop running his mouth. He is an ass but there’s no denying he has tried to get things accomplished that he said he would, no denying that.

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Careful with that, it won't just stop with him though I understand the sentiment

Looks like Iran seized another British oil tanker. Not really understanding the strategy since last I knew Britain was still in the Iran agreement.

gtalk12 said:

@Willbacker unfortunately, race has played a heavy roll in politics for a long time. It's all for their own gain.

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Yeah I know and its not the most comfortable subject to talk about.

Willbacker said:

Looks like Iran seized another British oil tanker. Not really understanding the strategy since last I knew Britain was still in the Iran agreement.

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That's probably a bargaining chip for the one the British seized recently (which they seized for violating EU sanctions in Syria but in a sense I guess that's not here or there).

But the bigger picture is that Iran's getting snippy in the Strait of Hormuz as a way of showing they can disrupt oil trade in one of the world's economic choke points. That's a way of warning the bigger guns that a war would get incredibly expensive and they have nothing to lose.

The bottom line is that the hawks on both sides want to go to war (the current Iranian president isn't portrayed that way in the US but he's a moderate who was elected on a pro-growth agenda but he's losing a lot of ground internally to the people who want to ramp up the conflict. And there's a more aggressive candidate waiting in the wings with an election next year). If they get their wish I'm not sure whether it would be an Iraq 2.0 or a Vietnam 3.0 but there's no way anyone comes out any kind of winner. And that's before you get to the impact a conflict would have on the budget in the long term (Iraq says hi) and on oil prices.

Inqui said:

That's probably a bargaining chip for the one the British seized recently (which they seized for violating EU sanctions in Syria but in a sense I guess that's not here or there).

But the bigger picture is that Iran's getting snippy in the Strait of Hormuz as a way of showing they can disrupt oil trade in one of the world's economic choke points. That's a way of warning the bigger guns that a war would get incredibly expensive and they have nothing to lose.

The bottom line is that the hawks on both sides want to go to war (the current Iranian president isn't portrayed that way in the US but he's a moderate who was elected on a pro-growth agenda but he's losing a lot of ground internally to the people who want to ramp up the conflict. And there's a more aggressive candidate waiting in the wings with an election next year). If they get their wish I'm not sure whether it would be an Iraq 2.0 or a Vietnam 3.0 but there's no way anyone comes out any kind of winner. And that's before you get to the impact a conflict would have on the budget in the long term (Iraq says hi) and on oil prices.

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I know. I'm sure John Bolton is in Trump's ear. So far Trump has done a great job of holding him off and we most definitely have to consult with Britain and the rest of our allies but Trump has been open in the past about not showing his hand. About prices I believe the stock market took a nose dive (haven't checked yet) and yeah the oil prices I'm sure will go up. Better fill my vehicles lol.

gtalk12 said:

Who said anything about Republicans? I said Trump.

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Regardless, I still don't get this whole "empowering" thing

flynismo said:

Regardless, I still don't get this whole "empowering" thing

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I already gave you a reference, you don't get it because you don't want to lol

Look up who Richard Spencer is. Understands what he stands for. He is credited for creating the term "Alt-Right"

At the time he was a huge supporter of Trumps, and claimed that Trumps message fit his. What is key here is "at the time"

It was at one of his speeches that the images of a vehicle driving into counter protesters came from.


One of the meanings of empower is to make (someone) stronger and more confident, especially in controlling their life and claiming their rights.


Guys like Spencer jump on some of this stuff. That is what I am saying by empower. Unfortunately, some friends of mine have been approached by some men and told to go back to Africa on different occasions. Sounds far fetched, but it's the truth.


Trump is not racist, he is a dick head who should be mindful of what he says considering that he holds the strongest VISIBILE seat in the United States. I never want to see my president punching down.

Tank said:

He wasn’t talking about Clinton getting a hummer, he was talking about him lying. Also, Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, no question he was guilty

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I think part of the problem too is that the media on both sides puts a spin on things and cares more about setting their narrative than actually telling the truth. A lot of people are really good at calling it out when against their party but are blind to the stuff people they agree with do. And since a lot of people don't see the spin, they get all riled up with things that the other party didn't necessarily say.

Willbacker said:

Looks like Iran seized another British oil tanker. Not really understanding the strategy since last I knew Britain was still in the Iran agreement.

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The strategy is simple. Their strategy? Monkey see, monkey do. They saw Kim Jong Un's unapologetic strong man tactics get him Trump's respect and two summit meetings. The Iranians are betting that by acting like a rogue nation with a strong man Ayotollah, Trump will admire him and befriend him as well. They've seen this work with Putin, MBR, Kim Jong Un, and the Turkish President. So since America reacts well to strong men and dictatorial regimes, they (Iran) are taking a swing at it! Again only my opinion which you may or may not agree with but it sure is my considered opinion. However Trump may act or behave one thing I am certain he's not is a war monger. He doesn't like war. He just likes to rule by division and chaos.