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The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

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Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
So what part of it has you hung up? I've talked with plenty of people online about climate and can get into it at great length. Trump certainly doesn't have a 97% approval rating.

In regards to Fox because I gotta keep getting on them while you guys still want to pretend they aren't as bad as the left, I'll add this from Trump himself. Why do you think he wouldn't lose a voter?



https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters

The earths temp over the last 150 yrs where we really have accurate readings state that the earths temp has went up a total of...……..wait for it...…..1.5 degrees. OMG!!!!!. The charts above show natural disasters are...….wait for it...….decreasing. Really was all floods reported back in 1970 becuz it says "reported natural disasters" and how in the world do we really know what the temp was really like in lets say Greenland in 1158 AD or how thick the damn ice was.

Listen if you want to talk about polluted waters and terrible air quality I'm 100% with you but all of this affecting climates...………...

As for the little video I'll say again everybody takes him way too literally. I knew he was joking but yet the left...………..remember Mexico paying for the wall well you guys thought he meant they was writing a check lol.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
just like to point out that those andy ngo videos have all been cut to push his particular narrative about antifa
especially the hammer one (and the resulting picture of the alleged victim...) - he completely cuts out the start and middle of the clips where the bus stops at traffic and gets surrounded by antifa - but then proud boys open the bus doors and start attacking antifa with a hammer and at one point throw it - it obviously gets thrown back at the bus - but ngo is incendiary and completely dishonest about his framing of the incident - antifa smashed some of the windows sure - but they were provoked by being attacked with a hammer

likewise the initial tweet you posted is not of a young girl - it is of a well-known proud boy provocateur (who in the video looks like he tries to break a load of glass at the end too) and his adult daughter who are both open white supremacists - again weird framing - also odd that he would portray a man literally in armour as the victim in a situation where the guy in battle armour has invaded a town with weapons and aggressive ideology

Well where's the uncut version. We showed the Covington boys situation.

Also Antifa has been against anybody conservative, They have destructed universities, attacked ICE facilities and have bullied around innocent people. The leader of the Proud Boys if you watched the Whoopie video is half black/half Cuban. Little hard to be a white supremacist with them traits. Antifa is not the fuckin law especially when they hide behind masks and their weapons. Actually these far right or whatever you wanted to call them weren't the ones that carried weapons first. Antifa was the ones that started using violent tactics!!
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
It’s sad that people can’t think beyond “right” and “left” and simply understand right and wrong.

There's 2 parties right. If everybody understood right and wrong there would never be debate; For example with the environment I'm against pollution (mainly trash) which would lean towards the left but right now imo fossil fuels just cant be cutoff which leads towards the right. I'm ok with stronger background checks (left) but feel private ownership of AR15's is ok (right). I believe marijuana should be recreationally legalized (left) but any other form of class 1 drugs should be illegal (right). I've always said the Constitution is my rule of law. I believe in less federal govt and lower taxes and the most important word individualism which means you do for yourself thru the freedom of choice. If this is right wing then so be it. Then that's me. When I bash the left which I know I do quite often I explain pretty thoroughly why I do so but sometimes I also agree with them bout Trump's tweets and I thought the George Washington painting in the California high school that showed slaves in the field that got painted over I have no problems with for example.

See when it comes down to whats right and whats wrong that comes down to the individual. What you think is right sometimes I may agree or I might not. So who's right?? This is why this thread exists.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
There's 2 parties right. If everybody understood right and wrong there would never be debate; For example with the environment I'm against pollution (mainly trash) which would lean towards the left but right now imo fossil fuels just cant be cutoff which leads towards the right. I'm ok with stronger background checks (left) but feel private ownership of AR15's is ok (right). I believe marijuana should be recreationally legalized (left) but any other form of class 1 drugs should be illegal (right). I've always said the Constitution is my rule of law. I believe in less federal govt and lower taxes and the most important word individualism which means you do for yourself thru the freedom of choice. If this is right wing then so be it. Then that's me. When I bash the left which I know I do quite often I explain pretty thoroughly why I do so but sometimes I also agree with them bout Trump's tweets and I thought the George Washington painting in the California high school that showed slaves in the field that got painted over I have no problems with for example.

See when it comes down to whats right and whats wrong that comes down to the individual. What you think is right sometimes I may agree or I might not. So who's right?? This is why this thread exists.
You’re way too far into the weeds Will. Of course people have different views and ideologies, that’s what makes the world spin. When I say right and wrong I’m referring to basic human interaction. Like if I don’t like the color of your truck I just say so and tell you why, maybe ask what the hell were you thinking when you bought it(right). I don’t beat your ass, or your bother’s ass or break your truck’s windows(wrong) to prove my point.
 
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Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
You’re way too far into the weeds Will. Of course people have different views and ideologies, that’s what makes the world spin. When I say right and wrong I’m referring to basic human interaction. Like if I don’t like the color of your truck I just say so and tell you why, maybe ask what the hell were you thinking when you bought it(right). I don’t beat your ass, or your bother’s ass or break your truck’s windows(wrong) to prove my point.

Gotcha. Just said something cuz it was after my posts but not quoted and I wasn't quite sure what you meant. Violence is not required by anybody. I don't care who it is and I also don't believe in boycotts.
 

flynismo

Practice Squad
Why does it not surprise me that the extreme lefties support these Antifa clowns?
They tried to fucking bomb an ICE facility. Sounds pretty terroristy to me.
 
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flynismo

Practice Squad
This was the perfect video and covered all the bases. I sure hope @rossihunter2 and @Ellicottraven both watch. Check out the 6:30 mark if you cant stomach the whole vid but Antifa is not defendible

I don't know how anybody can watch these people and feel good about defending them. But rest assured, defend them they (leftists) will. They're not interested in the truth or expanding their views.
 

gtalk12

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I don't know how anybody can watch these people and feel good about defending them. But rest assured, defend them they (leftists) will. They're not interested in the truth or expanding their views.
This was the perfect video and covered all the bases. I sure hope @rossihunter2 and @Ellicottraven both watch. Check out the 6:30 mark if you cant stomach the whole vid but Antifa is not defendible


The behavior isn't shocking. You have assholes hiding on the "right" so it is only natural that some more assholes appear on the "left" and their method is going to be to try and force them. Are they right in feeling that way towards a "hate" group? Maybe? Freedom of speech? So many rules and layers to this.



Are you ready for this? I am....

It's your favorite sentence and my favorite sentence. It's everyone's favorite sentence!!!!!



UNCHECKED EXTREMISM WILL BE MET WITH EXTREMISM.
 

flynismo

Practice Squad
The behavior isn't shocking. You have assholes hiding on the "right" so it is only natural that some more assholes appear on the "left" and their method is going to be to try and force them. Are they right in feeling that way towards a "hate" group? Maybe? Freedom of speech? So many rules and layers to this.



Are you ready for this? I am....

It's your favorite sentence and my favorite sentence. It's everyone's favorite sentence!!!!!



UNCHECKED EXTREMISM WILL BE MET WITH EXTREMISM.


When did attempting to bomb government buildings stop qualifying as shocking? Like I said, sounds pretty terroristy to me.
 

gtalk12

Ravens Ring of Honor
When did attempting to bomb government buildings stop qualifying as shocking? Like I said, sounds pretty terroristy to me.


When I saw a vehicle run over people at a rally hosted by the "other side of the extremists". It's disturbing and disgusting but I can't say that I personally am shocked.


I expected it to get as bad as it is now because when it was minor nobody thought to stop it. Everything was freedom of speech this and freedom of speech that. It was only a matter of time before words evolved into threats and actions. Pick a side if you would like but it doesn't change the fact that people are REALLY angry with each other.

We have an issue with domestic terrorism that is only going to get worse
 

Inqui

Pro Bowler
And the ongoing feud continues between Team Trump and the mainstream media. This year's Survivor Series is gonna be LIT AF!

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1164242633281003521
Trump talks a big game about being hated by the media but the relationship's completely symbiotic.

The real fun right now is the fight between Trump and Denmark PM Mette Frederikson.
*Trump offers to buy Greenland.
*The Danish PM calls the offer "absurd".
*Trump gets upset and cancels a visit because she was "nasty" before taking digs at Denmark on Twitter and making a few red meat comments aimed at his supporters.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49423968

What a time to be alive.
 

Willbacker

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Trump talks a big game about being hated by the media but the relationship's completely symbiotic.

The real fun right now is the fight between Trump and Denmark PM Mette Frederikson.
*Trump offers to buy Greenland.
*The Danish PM calls the offer "absurd".
*Trump gets upset and cancels a visit because she was "nasty" before taking digs at Denmark on Twitter and making a few red meat comments aimed at his supporters.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49423968

What a time to be alive.

I guess wanting to buy Greenland is "absurd". According to Trump the Danes lose 700 mil a year subsidizing the island. That money could be used to properly pay the 2% of their GDP for national defense.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
I guess wanting to buy Greenland is "absurd". According to Trump the Danes lose 700 mil a year subsidizing the island. That money could be used to properly pay the 2% of their GDP for national defense.
Not just everything is for sale. Besides, Denmark is doing just fine without idiot's ridiculous, unwanted and bizarre council:

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/richest-countries-in-the-world/

Trump is psychotic, pathological liar, according to him all sorts of stuff is happening. You need to get rid of that fool before he makes some serious damage.
 

Willbacker

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Not just everything is for sale. Besides, Denmark is doing just fine without idiot's ridiculous, unwanted and bizarre council:

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/richest-countries-in-the-world/

Trump is psychotic, pathological liar, according to him all sorts of stuff is happening. You need to get rid of that fool before he makes some serious damage.

Sorry you don't like Trump but the idea of buying Greenland is not absurd and shouldn't have been said as such. That's the point and you also proved Trump was right in criticizing Denmark for not paying the proper amount to NATO for the defense of their country.
 

Inqui

Pro Bowler
I guess wanting to buy Greenland is "absurd". According to Trump the Danes lose 700 mil a year subsidizing the island. That money could be used to properly pay the 2% of their GDP for national defense.
1) Greenland is a dependent state, not a distressed asset in a portfolio. They've got their own constitution, their own parliament, their own maritime boundary and they do their own trade deals. Denmark can't just sell off Greenland on a whim - that goes against the constitution of both countries. It's like trying to buy Scotland off the UK - except more absurd because Greenland has more autonomy. Any deal would have to involve Greenland declaring independence. In that regard it reminds me of Gary Johnson (rightly) being laughed out of the room for not knowing about Aleppo. It's fine for you or I to not know these things, but the most powerful politician in the world should be aware of the relevant international law and know what the answer to his offer will be.
2) The subsidy is $535 million. Unless they jacked it up 35% in a year Trump is lying. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/print_gl.html
3) Their deficit last fiscal year was about $70 million. They're doing fine. https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/nationalregnskab-og-offentlige-finanser/offentlige-finanser To respond to what you're about to say,
4) I actually agree the other NATO powers aren't spending enough on national defence. But there's a huge amount of gaps in logic between not spending enough on defensive capabilities and buying Greenland (should Trump make an offer for French Polynesia because France is also coming up short? And for Denmark why assume they have to sell Greenland and not adjust other forms of spending or add debt while it's historically cheap?). From a US perspective if you're worried about spending too much on the military in the region then just cut back military spending in the region and they can't do a huge amount about it (it's actually a policy discussion going in Europe right now). I said this a few years ago and nothing seems to have been done about it.
5) Public finance isn't the same as corporate finance. If a government posts a loss on (for example) a railway, it's to the gain of taxpayers as consumers. Granted it's a little more complicated than that, but the government recording a loss isn't the same as a company recording a loss. Denmark's not sinking money into an underperforming asset, it's supporting a region that they have cultural, political and historical ties to. Over here we spend a lot more money on the Cook Islands than we'll ever get back, but if a US president made an offer to buy them the PM would quickly tell that president where to stick their offer.
6) As allblackraven said, not everything is about money. There's a reason why the US and Denmark have different rules around resource and environmental protection, for example. This ties back to the previous point that there are cultural and historical ties involved between the two countries (Greenland also has an Indigenous population), and good luck being taken seriously when you put a price on those.
7) Even if you ignore the legal, financial and cultural realities of why that deal is a non-starter (and the fact that no one seems to know whether the offer was serious in the first place should say enough) and you treat it like a freewheeling real estate offer, the other part that made the whole thing mind-blowing is the way Trump reacted to being told his absurd idea is absurd. Cancelling a state visit and calling the PM "nasty" is the most thin-skinned thing I can remember from a politician. I own property and I've received offers and made offers (including lowball ones I didn't expect to stick) and I've never known anyone in the business to react like that to being turned down (even using the word itself, which is far softer than words Trump himself uses on a daily basis). I genuinely find the whole thing staggering and my wife and I have been having a good laugh watching it play out.
 
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