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The Ugly, The Murphy's Law and The Ravens

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
not until we were down 21-6 did we go to more of a passing game. Prior to that we were still playing our game. Considering how the Titans were playing we had to consider how many times we were going to have the ball. If you have time listen to filmstudyravens.com offense vs. the titans.
Yeah, I know. I haven’t had time to watch it because I’m out of the country. That said, Roman has that issue historically. It’s not just this game. Not saying Roman is bad and should go; however, I do think he has some legit issues.
 

The Last Great Raven

Practice Squad
Banned
100% on point assessment.

I was so heated at Judon for that tackle attempt, it was so awful to the point to where I have 2nd thoughts as to how ecstatic I would be if the team brought him back. That was a backbreaking play and had Judon made a better effort there, the momentum would have shifted.

Pierce got blocked out 1v1 plenty as well and I can't say that I would be upset if he left. In games which he didn't play, including this year and last, we did a pretty good job against the run. He's always typically playing between 30-40% of snaps and I don't think his loss would be a blow. I'm desperate for a 3-tech here or difference-making defensive end like Calais Cambell.

The Titans moved the Ravens around on both sides of the ball. Is Williams appreciably better than Pierce? Probably not, but he's under contract. A replacement for Pierce is likely going to be necessary. An upgrade on the two of them would be best.

We need to find a Cam Chancellor type to deal with big bruising backs if they get through the d line AND against TE's such as Kelce

I know, they don't grow on trees BUT that's the player we need to find this offseason

Andrews, Hurst and Boyle? With all the holes to fill, do the Raven's really need another Tight End? Next year, the Raven's Tight Ends are likely to get serious Gameplan attention. What the Raven's need is to expand their offensive scheme.

What world do you live in that a 14-2 team is a "laughing stock", when everyone and their grandmother were praying to god that they did not have to meet us in the postseason?

When Ray Lewis was past his prime, he was still worth every penny we paid him. Why? Because of his leadership, his ability to keep everyone focused and pumped up, even when his performance on the field declined. Mark Ingram has become that leader for us. And he can still play, regardless of whether you choose to ignore his importance to our offense. We will be Big Trussing louder than ever next year; may as well get used to it.

Losing a step, even two is often replaced by Veteran Instinct and Experience. The Raven's greatest weakness has been not resigning some of those guys. To the point that the organization has lost fans over it.

Held off on posting my "takes" for a few days, mostly to let the hangover and stench of disappointment dissipate.

1. We got outcoached... badly. It was pretty clear by the 2nd quarter that we had real no offensive direction, and that the idea that we may fall behind in a game by more than 7 points was something we were totally unprepared for. Somehow, we abandoned the run in an 8 point game for a lengthy period of time. It would be hard to sell the idea that we can't run the ball just because Ingram is hurt.

I understand the thought that the Titans pushed us around up front, and that they committed to stopping the run, but that doesn't mean you stop running it all together. And we did.

Roman had as bad of a day as any player did in my opinion.

I, like everybody, have loved the aggressiveness of Harbaugh all year long. But in my opinion, this game should have been all about forcing the Titans to sustain long drives and go the length of the field. And they weren't able to do that.

Trailing 7-0 on your own 45 yard line, and you go for it on 4th and 1. To me, the risk doesn't even equal the reward. If you get it, great, now what? Still need 20 more yards just to get in FG range. If you don't get it, your opponent is 10 yards away from a double digit lead in a playoff game, and the air is sucked out of the building. AND, when its clear that your team has no plan for what to do when trailing by 10+ points, I'm not putting my team in that spot.

2. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I found what Henry did to be largely irrelevant in this game. Nice stats, popped off a long run or two, but most of it was later in the game with a good lead. The Titans (with help from the Ravens) forced sloppy turnovers and capitalized on our mistakes. We've had mistakes this year, but we typically do a good job of limiting them. That didn't happen today.

Short fields all day long. Three scoring drives for the Titans of 45 yards or less. You could give the Redskins that kind of field position, and they'd make it a game. Certainly not going to work with a playoff team.

3. This is the game everybody said we couldn't win, and they were right. How do you beat the Ravens? Get out in front early, and make Lamar throw it to beat you. He put up gawdy stats, but early in the 2nd half it was clear that it wasn't going to matter.

I'm not going to spend time calling out individual players, because very few warrant mentioning as having a "good game". Tons of dropped passes, Oline got owned, and the defense, while I didn't think played terribly, got bullied late in the game and were the least physical team on the field.

For me, it was the most disappointing loss in franchise history, and I don't think that's a stretch. Top seed in the league, the "big bear" in the AFC already knocked out, and a home game one step from the AFCCG game. Getting beat in a close game is one thing. Getting owned in your building by a team that did nothing more than capitalize on your own mistakes is a tough pill to swallow.

This one will sting all the way through the offseason.

It was the area of coaching that was the Ravens' achilles heel. As you stated Harbaugh lost track of where he was both in the game and in the season and "knee jerked" to coaching how he coached all year. Dean Pees sat in their booth and knew what the Raven's were doing before the play was sent in.

Disagree on Henry. He owned Baltimore and ripped off huge yardage when the Raven's needed stops and couldn't get them. K.C. stopped Henry and so there you have it on where The Raven's most accurately stand.
 
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The Last Great Raven

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Banned


Ouch!...You put McNair and Cunningham in that Defense. Maybe that's not completely fair to McNair, RIP, but number 8 at best has a smallish window of effectiveness. Folks here have actually said he is going to win more Superbowls than Brady! :giggle: Seems pretty clear that before they went prevent, the Titans and Chargers had well designed game plans for him that other teams are going to use effectively if they have the personnel. You can't let number 8 know you are shopping him. It would be bad for the psyche that he wears on his sleeve, but he's a "hot" commodity and now is the time. Once his legs go, he probably is not even a receiver. When your QB is the teams leading rusher, legs will go, sooner rather than later. Social Media is being brutal but honest. Give him credit for what he has accomplished. But do members really believe they are talking about an NFL Franchise QB?
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Ouch!...You put McNair and Cunningham in that Defense. Maybe that's not completely fair to McNair, RIP, but number 8 at best has a smallish window of effectiveness. Folks here have actually said he is going to win more Superbowls than Brady! :giggle: Seems pretty clear that before they went prevent, the Titans and Chargers had well designed game plans for him that other teams are going to use effectively if they have the personnel. You can't let number 8 know you are shopping him. It would be bad for the psyche that he wears on his sleeve, but he's a "hot" commodity and now is the time. Once his legs go, he probably is not even a receiver. When your QB is the teams leading rusher, legs will go, sooner rather than later. Social Media is being brutal but honest. Give him credit for what he has accomplished. But do members really believe they are talking about an NFL Franchise QB?

i just dont believe that you've ever actually watched lamar play football
 

Sami84

Ravens Ring of Honor
The Titans moved the Ravens around on both sides of the ball. Is Williams appreciably better than Pierce? Probably not, but he's under contract. A replacement for Pierce is likely going to be necessary. An upgrade on the two of them would be best.



Andrews, Hurst and Boyle? With all the holes to fill, do the Raven's really need another Tight End? Next year, the Raven's Tight Ends are likely to get serious Gameplan attention. What the Raven's need is to expand their offensive scheme.

ur.,,,

dude...i never talked about getting another TE. Could you actually understand what I said?
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
i just dont believe that you've ever actually watched lamar play football
no, the question is, does he even watch football AND know who Lamar Jackson is.

"Social Media is being brutal, but honest" . When was this EVER the case
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
The Titans moved the Ravens around on both sides of the ball. Is Williams appreciably better than Pierce? Probably not, but he's under contract. A replacement for Pierce is likely going to be necessary. An upgrade on the two of them would be best.



Andrews, Hurst and Boyle? With all the holes to fill, do the Raven's really need another Tight End? Next year, the Raven's Tight Ends are likely to get serious Gameplan attention. What the Raven's need is to expand their offensive scheme.



Losing a step, even two is often replaced by Veteran Instinct and Experience. The Raven's greatest weakness has been not resigning some of those guys. To the point that the organization has lost fans over it.



It was the area of coaching that was the Ravens' achilles heel. As you stated Harbaugh lost track of where he was both in the game and in the season and "knee jerked" to coaching how he coached all year. Dean Pees sat in their booth and knew what the Raven's were doing before the play was sent in.

Disagree on Henry. He owned Baltimore and ripped off huge yardage when the Raven's needed stops and couldn't get them. K.C. stopped Henry and so there you have it on where The Raven's most accurately stand.
1. Yeah we didn't watch the same games. I don't think your take of the differences in those games is supportable with stats or game film.
For starters, Henry had a grand total of TWO chunk plays against the Ravens, and neither of them went for scores. The second of those two chunk plays was in a 28-6 game at the end of the third quarter, where there wasn't a person on the planet who had watched the Ravens play all year that thought they could come back from that deficit. They didn't need a stop at that moment any more than they did on the opening drive of the first quarter, or after a turnover. Maybe less so because, again, not a team that's built to play from behind.
2. The Chiefs stopped Henry the way every other team stopped Henry... they scored points. The difference between the Ravens and Chiefs was that the Chiefs didn't turn it over a bunch of times, and the Chiefs actually scored TDs.
It had literally nothing to do with some secret defensive scheme to stop Henry. It had to do with the Chiefs building a two score in the 3rd quarter, and Tennessee being unable to get back in the game with 5 yard runs.
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
Ouch!...You put McNair and Cunningham in that Defense. Maybe that's not completely fair to McNair, RIP, but number 8 at best has a smallish window of effectiveness. Folks here have actually said he is going to win more Superbowls than Brady! :giggle: Seems pretty clear that before they went prevent, the Titans and Chargers had well designed game plans for him that other teams are going to use effectively if they have the personnel. You can't let number 8 know you are shopping him. It would be bad for the psyche that he wears on his sleeve, but he's a "hot" commodity and now is the time. Once his legs go, he probably is not even a receiver. When your QB is the teams leading rusher, legs will go, sooner rather than later. Social Media is being brutal but honest. Give him credit for what he has accomplished. But do members really believe they are talking about an NFL Franchise QB?
Does it really matter if he's a franchise QB? There's a long, long, long list of franchise QBs who have played 10, 15 years with a team that's been totally irrelevant for that period of time.

If we play in one SB during Lamar's era, and he's gone after year 5-6, it would be a gigantic success by any possible standard. I think the failure of social media is that they want to have a franchise QB just so they can say they have one. I don't think for one second that most people on social media actually cares about whether a team wins or loses.

On social media, "being right" is way, way, way more important than "getting it right".
 

The Last Great Raven

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Banned
1. Yeah we didn't watch the same games. I don't think your take of the differences in those games is supportable with stats or game film.
For starters, Henry had a grand total of TWO chunk plays against the Ravens, and neither of them went for scores. The second of those two chunk plays was in a 28-6 game at the end of the third quarter, where there wasn't a person on the planet who had watched the Ravens play all year that thought they could come back from that deficit. They didn't need a stop at that moment any more than they did on the opening drive of the first quarter, or after a turnover. Maybe less so because, again, not a team that's built to play from behind.
2. The Chiefs stopped Henry the way every other team stopped Henry... they scored points. The difference between the Ravens and Chiefs was that the Chiefs didn't turn it over a bunch of times, and the Chiefs actually scored TDs.
It had literally nothing to do with some secret defensive scheme to stop Henry. It had to do with the Chiefs building a two score in the 3rd quarter, and Tennessee being unable to get back in the game with 5 yard runs.

Ouch!!!

I stated "It's over" after Thomas bit up and Marlon H bit out on the 14 nothing lead.
But, what was really impressive was that Jump Pass Henry threw for the 21st point, victimizing the Seahawk again.
195 yards...Ouch!...…..two drive sustaining monster runs when the game was still "in reach"......Ouch!
But as bad as Henry made it for the Raven's he made it worse for guys like The Seahawk and Budget Sizzle.
Bad coaching didn't help. Anyone think Harbaugh has casino debt?
Baltimore Ravens, 1st Best Record in the league and never in the game for one and done.
The good news is Pees retired, but it doesn't really matter anymore.
 
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rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
Ouch!!!

I stated "It's over" after Thomas bit up and Marlon H bit out on the 14 nothing lead.
But, what was really impressive was that Jump Pass Henry threw for the 21st point, victimizing the Seahawk again.
195 yards...Ouch!...…..two drive sustaining monster runs when the game was still "in reach"......Ouch!
But as bad as Henry made it for the Raven's he made it worse for guys like The Seahawk and Budget Sizzle.
Bad coaching didn't help. Anyone think Harbaugh has casino debt?
Baltimore Ravens, 1st Best Record in the league and never in the game for one and done.
The good news is Pees retired, but it doesn't really matter anymore.

Too much subjectivity, emotion and opinion here. I give those things no weight.

You're in the "be right" group.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Ouch!!!

I stated "It's over" after Thomas bit up and Marlon H bit out on the 14 nothing lead.
But, what was really impressive was that Jump Pass Henry threw for the 21st point, victimizing the Seahawk again.
195 yards...Ouch!...…..two drive sustaining monster runs when the game was still "in reach"......Ouch!
But as bad as Henry made it for the Raven's he made it worse for guys like The Seahawk and Budget Sizzle.
Bad coaching didn't help. Anyone think Harbaugh has casino debt?
Baltimore Ravens, 1st Best Record in the league and never in the game for one and done.
The good news is Pees retired, but it doesn't really matter anymore.


please stop trolling
 

ALI624

Pro Bowler
Approach, and repeat ultimatum in an even firmer tone of voice. Add the words, "or else".
 

flynismo

Practice Squad
I live in a world where the most dominant team in football, a team with more wins than any other team, a proven team that beat nearly every tough playoff caliber team in the regular season. A team that set league records for team rushing stats, and numerous other records from their MVP QB.

When that team given 2 long weeks to rest and prepare to play one of the worst teams in the AFC all things considered, and then lose the way we did? After all the smack talk and swagger we had during the regular season?

That sir, makes you a laughing stock. And its been a painful week with a lot of players mocking us, throwing that "Big Truss!!!" right in our face.

And how DARE YOU compare Mark Ingrams so called "Leadership" to Ray Lewis'. Mark Ingram had a calf strain in his prime and couldn't tough it out and was seen getting treatment on the sidelines more often than he was on the field.

Ray Lewis may have declined pushing 40 years old down the line, but make no mistake...he lead by example. After he tore his tricep off the bone and was facing a career ending injury, he returned and helped fuel a miraculous Ravens post season run.

And he didn't just run his mouth and clown around like Mark Ingram, we are talking about maybe the most legendary motivator in sports history...and he backed it up on the field.

You say he declined or whatever, but the stats don't lie bro. Ray was a tackle machine in that post season run posting double digit tackles in 3 of 4 games as an older declining MLB with a messed up arm and multiple other nagging injuries.

Ray Lewis backed up his speeches every single game, and players knew that 110%. I do appreciate the long lost swagger we got this year from guys like Ingram, Peters, L.J. and others. But when you lose. The way you do to a team like Tennessee you become an absolute laughing stock. Hense why there have been a hundred, thousand jokes about our team around social media.

The difference between Ray's legend and Mark Ingrams hype train, is that Ray backed his talk up on the field, yet Ingram couldn't do much nursing a calf strain and while our offense could get nothing going Ingram was seen getting treatment on the sideline making you wonder why they didn't just rest him for a potential championship appearance where maybe he could make a difference.

There is no getting around the fact that this team is a joke/laughing stock after being one and done for 2 straight years in winnable matchups. People used to mock Joe Flacco and those vanilla Cam Cameron offenses that had little to no talent at skill positions and obviously one of the most trash QBs in league history as the majority of people liked to tout Flacco (not my thoughts). But atleast Flacco was good enough to win games and gave us some memorable playoff pushes throughout his career.

So far the "big truss" Ravens have not been able to get a playoff push going and one more of these mediocre performances and Harbaugh will be firmly on the hot seat and we will be looking at other potential franchise changes to figure out how to get wins with all the talent we have on both sides of the ball.

Not regular season wins...we had 14 of those and they were all for naught given our first Rd bounce.

Im talking bout playoff wins, the most important wins. A loss in the AFC championship/Superbowl would have given more validation to those 14 wins and would have hurt less, but getting embarrassed by a wildcard team when you are the undisputed favorites?

Those 14 wins mean nothing other than John Harbaughs job security will be intact for atleast another year or so


I'm guessing you haven't been a Ravens fan very long? Because any Ravens fan should know all about being the underdog and taking out the runaway favorites. We twice knocked New England out of the playoffs as the #4 seed. By your logic, people must still be laughing at them?

And I'm obviously not saying that Ingram is the same field general that Lewis was. I'm saying that he is filling a hole that has been open for too long on this team.
 

flynismo

Practice Squad
It

Don't really care bud, doubt people would reply if I didn't get my point across so IDC if they don't read it entirely. It's my therapy after horrible Ravens losses. If other people don't care welp guess it's a circle of no fucks given. I don't mind reading long posts, I went to school for journalism before going medical field so sorry for stretching my thoughts.

Aye. My high school teacher pushed me to go after journalism...I gave it serious thought but thank god I didn't.

FWIW, I actually read long posts if they are formatted and people at least attempt to use decent grammar and punctuation. Otherwise, I think it is just some idiot rambling...
 
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