Signings, Cuts, Trades

ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

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Definitely backloaded the Brockers deal. He has a $5M cap hit in 2020, with $12.5M hits each in '21 and '22.

Breakdown of his deal:

3 years, $30M.
$10.5M signing bonus, base salaries of $1.5M, $9M, $9M.
Deal is fully guaranteed for 2020-2021

Suppose they could do something similar with Campbell, but if his deal is only a 2 year deal, much harder to backload. Still think you'll see his cap hit be at least in the $10-12M range.

rmcjacket23 said:

Its possible, but I would think that would be a bit high.

$40M per team would equate to roughly a $1.3B league-wide annual revenue increase. Its possible that with an increase from 47-48.5% revenue share, it could climb that high, but that seems overly optimistic.

In particular, the league is actively looking to replace AT&T as their exclusive provider of NFL Sunday ticket, and are likely looking to partner with a streaming platform for that service. Consensus from what I'm reading is that, even if they stretch that out over multiple platforms, they may struggle to get the $1.5B price tag that AT&T has been paying. Thought process is the new consumer model may drive to more "local purchasing" with those platforms, as users have started drifting away from paying hundreds of dollars per season for a full slate of games, when most users using the package are only seeking a handful of games per season (non-local viewership).

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I've seen rumors more in the $20M range once those TV deals come in.

What's going on with all these 3-year $30M contracts or just 3-year deals in general?

JO_75 said:

What's going on with all these 3-year $30M contracts or just 3-year deals in general?

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Salary cap keeps going up. Cash in now and cash in again 3 years later.

I could see Eric keep the picks we have in the 2nd and any other 2nd round picks we get to get immediate impact starters on cheap deals to fill needs. With our first and original second, and the second we got yesterday, if we do trade Judon and get a 2nd then that means we could spend our picks on:

WR to replace Hurst
Edge to replace Judon
IOL to replace Yanda
Whatever at the other spot, possibly ILB

Simba said:

Salary cap keeps going up. Cash in now and cash in again 3 years later.

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Agree. The quality players are realizing that they're only going to get 2-3 years of guaranteed even on like a 5 year deal, so why not just get a mostly guaranteed contract for 2-3 years and then hit the market again when the cap is way bigger.

Smart teams will take advantage of it, and smart players will also.

Simba said:

I've seen rumors more in the $20M range once those TV deals come in.

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Probably a more realistic number.

Reality is there's no way to know until the new TV deals are signed (if they're signed before 2021 at all). I guess for me, its basically a math problem...

Cap is at $198.2 per team, and the new CBA says that's at 48.5%. That would put league revenue at around $13.1B if my math is correct. I'm also not entirely sure it works that way, considering that's definitely all revenue, and not just TV revenue.

That being said... in order for that to increase by $40M per team in a single year, revenue would have to rise to about $15.7B in a single year, which would be like a 20% increase. Possible, but doubtful in my eyes.

Top inside linebackers have really dried up quickly. Joe Schoebert is on his way to Jax on a 5 year deal averaging just under $11M per season.

Really hope the Ravens use a second to trade up and snag Patrick Queen. If you can't get the real Corey Littleton, might as well get the draft version.

29BmoreBird22 said:

Top inside linebackers have really dried up quickly. Joe Schoebert is on his way to Jax on a 5 year deal averaging just under $11M per season.

Really hope the Ravens use a second to trade up and snag Patrick Queen. If you can't get the real Corey Littleton, might as well get the draft version.

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I gotta be real with you I don’t see that comp. Littleton is elite in coverage but as far as I know he doesn’t really shine anywhere else other than being rangy in general, Queen is a lot more the Kwon Alexander/telvin Smith type where hes got the range for coverage but the strongest aspect is just having an insanely quick trigger and being everywhere at once and particularly when the play is in front of him

I think Troy dye is much more the player you’re looking for if you want a Littleton type

JoeyFlex5 said:

I gotta be real with you I don’t see that comp. Littleton is elite in coverage but as far as I know he doesn’t really shine anywhere else other than being rangy in general, Queen is a lot more the Kwon Alexander/telvin Smith type where hes got the range for coverage but the strongest aspect is just having an insanely quick trigger and being everywhere at once and particularly when the play is in front of him

I think Troy dye is much more the player you’re looking for if you want a Littleton type

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I just was thinking of Littleton as the premiere coverage linebacker in FA and I think of Queen as being a guy who I think will be able to fill a void in coverage for the Ravens.

As long as we don't select murray and Yetur gross matos we'll be fine

if we draft both i'll be calling for erics resignation or to have a new postion called '' pick hoarder manager'' but not the selector of who those picks will be

I’d rather not use a 1st on Queen and obviously Murray. I like Fort to be that guy and he should benefit from having damn near 1,000 pounds in front of him. I’d be fine going into next season with Fort and Peanut/Bynes starting. Use our capital to trade up into the first and nab Lamb or Jeudy or Chaisson

29BmoreBird22 said:

Top inside linebackers have really dried up quickly. Joe Schoebert is on his way to Jax on a 5 year deal averaging just under $11M per season.

Really hope the Ravens use a second to trade up and snag Patrick Queen. If you can't get the real Corey Littleton, might as well get the draft version.

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I'm always quite a bit puzzled by what the Browns do in FA.

The only thing I would be doing as GM of that team is to add a bunch of OLineman and then load up the defense. If you can't win with a QB on a rookie deal, Jarvis Landry, OBJ, and two very good RBs on offense, I don't see what adding more bodies will do.

I like the signing of Conklin, but then they go and spend a boatload on Austin Hooper, while letting their two best linebackers walk in FA for comparable or smaller amounts.

AND... assuming they're flattening the structures of the Hooper and Conklin deals, they still have like $30-35M in cap space remaining after adding those two. More than enough to keep Schobert or Kirksey (or both) if they wanted to. I understand maybe you don't think these are market value guys, but at some point, how do you expect to upgrade your defense?

Still need a LT most likely in that process also, which is likely where their first round pick will be spent.

Just blows my mind with their decision making sometimes.

Simba said:

According to the RSR boards, it sounds like Hurst requested the trade. Obviously, that makes sense. Competing for snaps with 2 other really good TEs. Dude's gotta get his money and he's not going to get it by playing 2nd/3rd fiddle. Hate to lose him but happy there's a better opportunity ahead for him.

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sounds like it was fairly mutually beneficial then - we knew he was only going to decrease in value with opportunities limited and a 2nd round pick at another position would probably provide more impact than him as the 3rd string TE no matter how much we like him as a player and a person

Leonard Floyd was just cut and we have no cap. Le sigh

Simba said:

In 2018, they made every single effort to not have Williams and Pierce on the field at the same time. They were kind of forced to do it last year due to injuries and poor play.

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and no brent urban

JoeyFlex5 said:

Leonard Floyd was just cut and we have no cap. Le sigh

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Oh we will very soon

RavensMania said:

This from Zrebiec

The Ravens have the draft inventory to trade up. It doesn’t mean they will: It seems that the belief is that the Ravens are stockpiling these Day 2 and early Day 3 draft picks, so they have the ammunition to make a huge move up the draft board from the 28th overall pick. That can’t be ruled out as DeCosta is not bashful. But with very little cap space, the Ravens will need those picks to fill holes. They could make a few other moves in the days ahead, but as things stand, they need one or two receivers, one or two offensive linemen and perhaps another tight end. Defensively, they could use another edge rusher, an inside linebacker and one or two defensive backs for depth purposes. They need an explosive return man on special teams. I see the nine picks as a necessity more than a luxury.

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like i know loads of people jumped on this stockpiling of picks and assumed we would jump up but i just dont see the value in it given the players i think will be available... and definitely wont need to move up further than a 3/4 might take us anyway to get up the 2-3 spots we'll need

i dont think there'll be a huge difference between the quality of player available at 18 to the player available at 28 unless a top 10 type player falls

i think the chance to add 3 players in the first 2 rounds is more valuable than moving up the 11-12 spots the draft chart tells us we could move up unless a premier premier talent falls there - someone like kinlaw might fall or a WR but not sure i want to give up that much capital for a WR in this class with the depth and quality all through the draft at that position

so the only reason to trade up would be if we really love ruiz or chaisson or someone like that and we dont think they'll make it close to 28

for me it's not about filling needs it's about finding impact players and we need to find more than 1 in this class and packaging picks to move up reduces the lottery tickets we have to find those impact guys

Ok so now TE is gonna be considered a need? We fucking unloaded one because we have too many already lol why spend draft capital on another for the same problem? Use a third body just in case and stack up somewhere else so you aren’t one dimensional, hurst wasn’t getting the job done if andrews was down anyway; as we saw in the titans game

Charm City said:

If we want to avoid cap hell after LJ gets his big deal we need to start hoarding picks and hope they turn into at least serviceable players. We're able to make all these splashy FA acquisitions because we're not burdened with a 30+mil contract.

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we learned from the flacco contract what not to do i hope with the rest of the team-building - you have to emphasise paying players at a few premium positions and then dealing with losses at positions you think are more replaceable either through under-valued free agent pickups or through draft picks