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Signings, Cuts, Trades

rmcjacket23

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Judon traded to the Seahawks for a 2nd rounder. That move clears up cap space to acquire Clowney.

EDC kicks back, feet on his table and lights up a Ed Reed Cigar.
1. I'm not sure trading Judon alone clears up the cap space to sign Clowney, at this point.
2. I'm not convinced the Ravens prefer Clowney over Judon.
3. At this rate, if I'm Seattle, I'm just sitting and doing nothing, and waiting for Clowney to accept my offer. I'm sure they offered him something in the $18-19M per year range, and so far, it doesn't sound like he has any better offers than that. I think Seattle is more than fine paying Clowney that, instead of paying Judon $15-17M or whatever he will command + a good draft pick.

I think in the next 5-7 days you'll see Clowney sign with Seattle, and that will pretty much be the end of that.
 

rmcjacket23

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These are the salary cap numbers as of 3/19.


It may not be official, but multiple other sites have Campbell's 2020 cap hit at $15M, which is higher than I thought it would be. Maybe that's true, maybe its not.

That's why other sites have us under $5M, and I don't believe that includes deals for Ward or Ellis, but do include the restructures.

I'd say even if Campbell's hit is a bit lower than that, $5-6M is probably the ceiling for available cap space at the moment. I'm sure they'll be looking to do restructures for Earl and Marcus sooner, if they haven't been done already.
 

RavensMania

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It may not be official, but multiple other sites have Campbell's 2020 cap hit at $15M, which is higher than I thought it would be. Maybe that's true, maybe its not.

That's why other sites have us under $5M, and I don't believe that includes deals for Ward or Ellis, but do include the restructures.

I'd say even if Campbell's hit is a bit lower than that, $5-6M is probably the ceiling for available cap space at the moment. I'm sure they'll be looking to do restructures for Earl and Marcus sooner, if they haven't been done already.
15m is what it would be without the extension
 

rmcjacket23

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15m is what it would be without the extension
Yeah and that's what I assumed. I'm sure his number will be lower, I'm just not sure how much lower. I wouldn't think it would be lower than $10M.

But even at $10M for him, and then call it $3M total for Ward and Ellis (and that could even be light), that drops your number down to between $6-7M.
 

RavensMania

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Yeah and that's what I assumed. I'm sure his number will be lower, I'm just not sure how much lower. I wouldn't think it would be lower than $10M.

But even at $10M for him, and then call it $3M total for Ward and Ellis (and that could even be light), that drops your number down to between $6-7M.
yeah, i'm not sure how he is getting 10m either.
 

Grim

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I don't know if we will or will not trade Judon at this point. You would imagine if a trade was going to happen it would've happened by now. Then again, with that said, while Dee Ford was quickly traded away Frank Clark wasn't so there is that going for the argument on Judon getting traded. I think we are in a wait and see approach as we would like Judon for another year with what we have here. The worst thing that happens is we keep Judon and have less of a need to fill this year and Judon plays the year out on the tag. I wouldn't mind that considering what we have up front in Campbell | Williams | Brockers | Ward as I could see us putting Judon at SAM and Bowser at the WLB and we would need a MLB but that is likely Fort or a draft pick or maybe Bynes--if we even go that route as I could see a MLB simply not exist in favor of another DB. I don't think the Ravens can lose either way unless we trade Judon and the guy who replaces him is absolute garbage.

I think best case if we trade Judon is we get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him and then re-sign McPhee but even that's not ideal. Judon is actually perfect for what we've assembled so far in FA and trade.
 

rossihunter2

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Yeah and that's what I assumed. I'm sure his number will be lower, I'm just not sure how much lower. I wouldn't think it would be lower than $10M.

But even at $10M for him, and then call it $3M total for Ward and Ellis (and that could even be light), that drops your number down to between $6-7M.

i think maybe that's rule of 51 helping because as you add these 3 guys you're also taking 3 minimum salaries off the cap - that probably gets you the extra 3m in missing cap space that he's referring to
 

rossihunter2

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15m is what it would be without the extension

i think partly the 15m cap hit is because the deal has been referred to as a 1 year extension (1 year added on) rather than a 2 year new contract so we'll just have to wait and see on the campbell numbers when they get released

id find it hard to believe we'd just add a year on and therefore end up having a slightly front-loaded 2 year deal but my guess is that terminology is why he's being thought of still elsewhere as being a 15m cap hit in year 1
 

Simba

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As I'm learning more about these new CBA rules, that $1.25M cap savings could really help when it comes to Jimmy if we get him back. It only applies to guys that have been on the team for more than 4 years, but you can knock $1.25M off the cap number for vets that you re-sign. So, if Jimmy has an offer of $6M out there, we can offer the same and it would only count $4.75M on the cap. Really helps us to match an offer.
 

cobrajet

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Sounds like Clay Mathews regrets his decision to go with the Rams over the Ravens. I would still rather have Jimmy back. With us getting Tavon back and possibly working something out with Jimmy, our secondary would be elite. With the improvements on the d-line, to stop the run and get the push up front, I am really excited about our defense.
 

cobrajet

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Has there been any word on Pernell McPhee's injury. Is he a player we could bring back? I believe he was playing well before the injury in the few games he played.
 

rmcjacket23

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yeah, i'm not sure how he is getting 10m either.
I made up the $10M.... pretty much just conjured out of thin air as an example.

Mostly just thinking if you've got a guy on a two year, $25 or $27M deal (hearing different totals online), it would be hard to have a cap impact below $10M in year 1, without pushing a significant amount to the following year. We did it with Brockers, but he had a three year deal, so its a bit easier to spread out. Like if you make his number like $8M this year, you're talking upwards of $17-19M next year, with a lot of dead money attached to that.
 

rmcjacket23

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i think maybe that's rule of 51 helping because as you add these 3 guys you're also taking 3 minimum salaries off the cap - that probably gets you the extra 3m in missing cap space that he's referring to
Maybe. The bottom tier guys on the list right now are at $610K, which I assume is the veteran minimum for the year. So if you knock off three of them, it would be $1.8M in savings. So if Ward and Ellis cost $3-4M total, then your net cap hit would be more like $2M.

With Campbell's extension, I would imagine they'd want to pay him at least what he was already going to make this year, which is the $15M. They'd probably make a good chunk of that into a bonus to spread out the hit over two years. Typically with extensions like these, they just want to make sure the player is essentially getting paid pretty close to the same amount, otherwise he probably wouldn't sign it unless he had no other options.
 

rossihunter2

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Maybe. The bottom tier guys on the list right now are at $610K, which I assume is the veteran minimum for the year. So if you knock off three of them, it would be $1.8M in savings. So if Ward and Ellis cost $3-4M total, then your net cap hit would be more like $2M.

With Campbell's extension, I would imagine they'd want to pay him at least what he was already going to make this year, which is the $15M. They'd probably make a good chunk of that into a bonus to spread out the hit over two years. Typically with extensions like these, they just want to make sure the player is essentially getting paid pretty close to the same amount, otherwise he probably wouldn't sign it unless he had no other options.

i get why they would want him to get paid more (or the same) but that shouldnt mean the cap number is still 15m especially given that with 20m of the contract being guaranteed my guess is there's a large signing bonus

my guess is that his cap number wont be the 15m and that's just someone misunderstanding what the 1 year extension we announced actually means with regards to the 1st year of the (now) 2 year deal
 

rmcjacket23

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i get why they would want him to get paid more (or the same) but that shouldnt mean the cap number is still 15m especially given that with 20m of the contract being guaranteed my guess is there's a large signing bonus

my guess is that his cap number wont be the 15m and that's just someone misunderstanding what the 1 year extension we announced actually means with regards to the 1st year of the (now) 2 year deal
Yeah his cap won't be $15M. I think other sites are using that as a filler just to show less space available, because his number will be a sizeable one regardless. My best guess would be in the $10-12M range.
 

JAAM

Hall of Famer
I really hope the little moves we're making to make a little more cap isn't for clay matthews :/
What’s wrong with Clay? He played three less games than Judon and had a sack and a half less than him lol
 

Sami84

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What’s wrong with Clay? He played three less games than Judon and had a sack and a half less than him lol

It's not about his sack numbers it's his overall game at this point. He's just not very good anymore
 
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