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Signings, Cuts, Trades
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i mean the highest paid tackle in the league currently is 18m/yr which is lane johnson who's a right tackle and 30 years old
because tyron smith took an 8 year deal when he signed his contract (or whatever absurd length of deal it was) and because no elite tackles have hit the market in recent times the OT market is really due a reset especially with average/good OL at all positions getting big deals - the OT market is due a reset
stanley is 26 and tunsil is 25 and both are considered among the best LTs in the league
i think we're going to be looking at 20m+/yr and if it's less than that then we should do the deal and call it a bargain
Part of me wants to see the Tunsil domino fall first so we have a baseline, but another part of me wants us to set the market because I feel like BOB is about to way overpay for that investment.
It's expensive, but I'd throw out a $20M/year offer right now and see if it gets it done. I would guess we haven't reached that level in negotiations yet.
100% we want to get it done first - tunsil's agents know what they want and they probably think they know what ronnie's going to be able to get from us
i dont know whether tunsil's number (if it comes in lower than expected) would really change ronnie's number either tbh - but ronnie's number will certainly change tunsil's if ronnie's reset is higher than their camp was anticipating
we definitely want to be first if we can
I know I'm not in charge and I know there's a lot more to it, but I'm simply not worried about haggling over an APY if we're talking like a $1-2M difference. The guaranteed part is obviously the trickiest, but I'd have no problem dropping $20M a year.
rmcjacket23
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Based on our previous trajectory in FA, I would say it would have been difficult for the Ravens to take an extension with Stanley seriously at this point in the offseason. Even in a best case scenario his cap number for this year would probably go up by at least $2-3M, if not more, which I don't think the Ravens are interested in.
I think they know the franchise tag number for him next season will probably still be slightly below his market value, and I think they'd be willing to go that route then.
That being said... with the Brockers deal now off the table, it may make sense to revisit, given we may have the space now to absorb a bigger cap hit. But that also takes pretty much all other signings off the table.
Damaris Randall anyone?? When hes on the field dudes a baller. CLE benched him numerous times cause he bumped heads with Kitchen.
I also would like to see us make a trade for Marquise-Vasques Scantling, after a disappointing year maybe we can steal him away for a 6th.
Two young guys with some years under their belts. Game changers.
I also would like to see us make a trade for Marquise-Vasques Scantling, after a disappointing year maybe we can steal him away for a 6th.
Two young guys with some years under their belts. Game changers.
rmcjacket23
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1. I don't think I'm spending any of my FA money adding depth to an already stacked secondary. He's not really good enough to play Safety (especially on this defense), and I don't know that he's any better than Averett at this point.
2. I don't really like MVS as a player. Plays too small. Plus I don't think the Packers are in a position to be trading any WRs until at least after the draft. They're extremely weak there.
Depends how it's structured. Certainly harder with our cap space this year, but I don't think it's too farfetched to think they'd do something similar to what they've done with most other guys they've locked up - lower year 1 cap hit and a flatter structure. At $20M a year, it still wouldn't be too difficult to get a similar cap hit as what he has now.
BloodRaven
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It will probably cost $20M a year to keep Stanley, and if thats what it costs to keep Lamars blindside clean and buy him an extra second then its worth every penny
Davesta
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I know tunsil was a top 10 pick and I don’t really watch Miami or Texans game to really scout him, but tunsil seems overrated to me. Everytime he’s on primetime, I usually see him false starting a couple of times. Thank god for that bong video and we ended up with Stanley.
People just assume the bong video is why Tunsil dropped, but I personally disliked him as a prospect compared to Stanley.
rmcjacket23
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True, but you are also seeing a sharp decrease in the usage of those "low 1st year cap hits" for teams in the modern era, because those are the kinds of deals that hamstring you long term. It may be slightly more prevalent in like 2020, since most teams expect a bigger increase in the cap next year, but after that, it really doesn't make any sense.
I mean look at the math... if we assume his average is $20M, and lets say its a four year deal.
Current cap hit for 2020 is $12.8M. Realistically, anything under like a $15-16M first year cap hit on a $20M average deal is just a laughably bad contract. It'll mean future year cap hits of closer to $23-25M to catch up, and you'll have a year over year increase at some point of at least $8-10M, which is far from ideal.
If I'm giving him a $20M/year extension now, I'd rather see the first year cap hit in the $17-18M range, which would eat up about half of our remaining cap space.
Totally agree and always thought he was the better prospect. He had much better footwork and playing at Notre Dame certainly didn't hurt.
Ya but he was also the 3rd tackle off the board and while Conklin has not looked bad (finally) that was certainly a large dropoff and was a pretty nice coup for Miami to get him that late.
I think he would have gone 2nd if it weren't for the draft day video, but some teams may have taken him first.
JoeyFlex5
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I think tunsil was clearly the higher ceiling but he needed a lotttt of work and had essentially zero exposure to playing OT the way you play it in the nfl, plus with his injury history it’s entirely possible that falling to Miami would’ve happened with or without the bong video
All in the guaranteed money and how they structure that. Roster bonuses and guaranteed base salaries are much more prevalent now, while the signing bonus typically isn't eating as much. It makes it much easier to get out of that contract at the end if it doesn't work out. Lots of teams are putting most of the guarantees in the first 2 years as opposed to spreading it out now.
