I agree with @allblackraven that we will probably be fine due to the OL coaching and also how Lamar makes us better as a unit. That being said, there is no question it is a bit easier when you have Yanda by your side.
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BloodRaven
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I dont completely disagree with Sami. 25 million is a hell of a lot to spend on one position, but the salary cap grows by 10 million each year and when I step back and look at the bigger picture it feels like we have no choice, LT is an extension of the QB.
JoeyFlex5
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3 positions in football are worth 25m a year, that’s QB, LT, and an edge rusher IF the edge rusher is legitimately the best/2nd best in the league ie Mack or miller. Aside from that, if you’re asking for anything close to 20m you can get fucked. If Humphrey asks for 20m get fucked, if YANDA asked for 20m he could get fucked, if andrews or Hollywood after multiple all pro seasons asked for 20m, you guessed it, get fucked.
I think yanda couldve gotten 20 nowadays if was in his prime.
cdp
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The media and many others said Tunsil's contract was overpaid. Aaron Wilson published the details of the contract today, so I wanted to see if it
was really a bad contract. It turns out it's actually a very reasonable contract and you can get out of it in a year if you trade him. I hope we can sign Stanley to a similar deal +/- 2M
was really a bad contract. It turns out it's actually a very reasonable contract and you can get out of it in a year if you trade him. I hope we can sign Stanley to a similar deal +/- 2M
rmcjacket23
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And those are arbitrary rankings that don't really mean anything, since you can't actually get any of those players to play on your team. So your choices are to pay the guy, downgrade, or pray you can find somebody better in the draft, which if Ravens history suggests, seems incredibly unlikely.
That being said... it won't ever be 15% of the cap. It'll be closer to 10% of the cap, and realistically, it'll be lower than that by the time you're 2-3 years into the deal.
I'm also not really concerned about paying 15% of the cap on a difference making player (which he is) when all the other high priced players on your roster are largely aging veterans that you can move on quickly from and replace much easier than Stanley if you need cap space.
You don't ruin a teams salary cap by paying market value to players who have earned it. You ruin it by paying market value to players who haven't earned it, i.e. paying Eugene Monroe's and Dennis Pitta's.
rmcjacket23
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I said this yesterday. It was a good structure. None of these deals are really ever that bad, provided the structure is sound. Texans did a pretty good job of straight-lining his deal, so that his cap impact matches his production.
I'd be looking to do the same thing here. I don't mind paying Stanley $22M a year, provided his cap hits in the back end aren't like $30M. If I'm paying him $22M a year, I'd want his first year cap hit to be at least like $18-20M. That would be a problem for 2020, because that means his cap hit would go up significantly.
I've said from the beginning that a Judon extension makes more sense for cap flexibility than a Stanley one. Stanley is more important, but also more expensive. Judon's extension will probably slot him in at AAV right around where he is now, so you don't have to deviate off his cap number much.
then your eyes are wrong...
Stanley is better than all 3 of those guys and its not really close - id say tbh he's probably already better than bakhtiari too
also as i pointed out yesterday:
stanley is not going to cost 15% of the cap - in the worst case scenario he'll still cost less than 13% and in all likelihood he'll be under 12%
if we're locking up stanley it's because we figured it was the right price at the right time (i.e. he'll be even more expensive next year) and not to save cap room this year
rmcjacket23
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1. $25M is conjured out of thin air. There's no evidence that's what the actual price will be.
2. Speculative for sure, but I think a lot of people expect it to grow by a LOT more than $10M per year once the new TV network deals come through. 2021's cap could be an issue, because the league is facing losing Billions from losing fan attendance, but its also likely to be a record-setting year for TV audiences, which means TV networks will be willing to pay significantly more for TV network rights. And that's before the NFL starts getting more lucrative paydays from streaming services, which is already happening and will already continue to grow.
All that points to the fact that $20-25M deals won't be considered that big 3-5 years from now. WRs will be getting that money, LT's will be getting that money, pass rushers will be getting that money, and QBs obviously have for a long time now. You'll see interior lineman breaking $20M in the next 3-5 years.
3. If I were actually concerned that I couldn't get Ronnie for less than $25M next year, then I'd franchise tag him for two years. Even for rising Olineman costs, they'll be less than $20M annually for the next two years. By that time, you're talking 2023, in which case I'd wager the NFL's salary cap will be closer to $250M than it is $200M, meaning $25M a year isn't that prohibitive anymore.
Sami84
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wait, you saying ronnie stanley is better than Prime Jason Peters and Prime Tyrone Smith?
im saying he's better than costanzo, tunsil, lewan, bakhtiari
and im saying that he's better than peters and smith are right now...
but i think that he's playing at a higher level right now in this offence than those first 4 guys i mentioned
and on top of that - the longer we wait to do the deal next offseason (if it is next offseason when we do the deal) the more expensive it will be - trent williams and david bakhtiari are going to be up for their next contracts next offseason - and the saints might want to do ryan ramycyzk's deal next year (maybe the only young OT in the league who could be considered in Ronnie's class right now)
UPennChem
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There's been a lot of back and forth on this issue. And it seems people only feel extremely strongly one way or another. I just don't think the decision is obvious. I am in no way saying if EDC decides to pay Stanley 23 million I'm gonna be upset, I won't. I'll trust his decision there. But if he decides to let him walk and take the 3rd round comp and use the 80 20 rule, I'll respect that as well.
I neither understand the this is obviously the wrong thing to do or that this is obviously the right thing to do. I agree that when you home grow an elite player you'd like to retain them. I think we should try but there's always a limit and no one knows EDCs limit. It will be interesting to see for sure! Remember Ronnie has to want to stay as well.
I neither understand the this is obviously the wrong thing to do or that this is obviously the right thing to do. I agree that when you home grow an elite player you'd like to retain them. I think we should try but there's always a limit and no one knows EDCs limit. It will be interesting to see for sure! Remember Ronnie has to want to stay as well.
JoeyFlex5
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Gonna be hard to use the 80/20 rule to replace Stanley. If Stanley gets 20m per year, you’re gonna have to find a player producing 80% of Stanley for 4m per year.
you cant find that, unless you draft a day 1 elite LT at the end of the first round
which is unlikely for sure
+ the idea that we'd only get a 3rd round comp pick for the loss of stanley would be hard to stomach - losing a player that good
cdp
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I don't see any rational reason to let Ronnie walk. PFF showed how difficult it is to identify good let alone elite Tackles in rounds 2+. FYI we paid Hurst 3.5m last season, the Jets pay Fant 7.2M - I doubt you will find any 80-20 OT on the open market (i.e. excess demand)
allblackraven
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I can't believe discussion about Stanley's extension is still alive and kicking.
It's like debating whether water is wet.
It's like debating whether water is wet.