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Inqui

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rossihunter2 said:
im gonna want to see the stats on that because just looking at 2019 data im seeing only 89 law enforcement officers killed nationwide in any incidents (regardless of race, creed, situation etc.) vs the 235 african-american's killed by police

im looking now at 2018 data and seeing only 48 law enforcement officers killed nationwide in any incidents (again regardless of race, creed, situation) and 209 african-american's killed by police
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My guess is that the stats are population-weighted - not unlike how more people are killed by cars than planes but it's about even when you look at them on a transport hour basis. Of course, that has the problem of those 235 deaths coming from a pool that includes someone's 70-year-old Aunt Dolores as well as every African-American stockbroker in central New York. And it assumes there weren't more "deaths in custody" or something that went on the coroner's report as something else - hence my caveat.

Another possibility is that it's from a collection from a few localities that got extrapolated to a national level, which has its own set of problems (assuming those localities are a cross-section of the country and that smaller data sets are more vulnerable to variation, etc).

I'm giving cobra the benefit of the doubt with his stat, but like I say if there weren't 324 similar convictions, then the way those convictions were spread out probably does more to speak to the heart of the issue.
 
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Inqui said:
My guess is that the stats are population-weighted - not unlike how more people are killed by cars than planes but it's about even when you look at them on a transport hour basis. Of course, that has the problem of those 235 deaths coming from a pool that includes someone's 70-year-old Aunt Dolores as well as every African-American stockbroker in central New York. And it assumes there weren't more "deaths in custody" or something that went on the coroner's report as something else - hence my caveat.

Another possibility is that it's from a collection from a few localities that got extrapolated to a national level, which has its own set of problems (assuming those localities are a cross-section of the country and that smaller data sets are more vulnerable to variation, etc).

I'm giving cobra the benefit of the doubt with his stat, but like I say if there weren't 324 similar convictions, then the way those convictions were spread out probably does more to speak to the heart of the issue.
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important note on my stats - only about half of the police deaths were reported homicides and i have no breakdowns on the races of their killers

my point was more the fact that in a best-case scenario with regards to his supposed stats that african americans are at least 4 times as likely to cops as cops are to die to african-americans

the number is likely actually around 10 times based on the stats i saw but either way it being 18.5 times more likely in the other direction makes no sense to me at all

and you're exactly right - the 235 may well be higher too

and obviously deaths is only one part of the fight, police brutality is also about treatment in custody generally and is not explicitly just about dying
 
Sami84

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Maybe edward snowden could shed some light for all you people on here about the truth behind politics
or do some of you think he should be in jail?
like obama and the clintons seem to think? ( frankly, they should be in jail along with gates, soros, turner and any rockerfeller)
 
Sami84

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Trump might not be perfect but as someone who doesn't believe in statism he's been lightyears better than ANY president i can think of.
Imagine if hilary got into office
the horror....
 
Ellicottraven

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In exactly one hour from now there is a national call by the NAACP and the Ravens to observe an 8 min 46 second moment of silence. I stand in solidarity against racists and racism and for the Constitution of the USA and all its rightful citizenry. I hope members of this forum do the same. This is a call to your inner soul, humanity and true patriotism.
 
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Sami84 said:
Maybe edward snowden could shed some light for all you people on here about the truth behind politics
or do some of you think he should be in jail?
like obama and the clintons seem to think? ( frankly, they should be in jail along with gates, soros, turner and any rockerfeller)
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Out of curiosity, what exactly did Bill Gates do beyond spend billions of dollars on trying to help the world with the single largest charity in the world today?

I am behind on my conspiracies so while I have heard them with the rest of the people on that list, but I never got to hear one about Gates.
 
Sami84

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Adreme said:
Out of curiosity, what exactly did Bill Gates do beyond spend billions of dollars on trying to help the world with the single largest charity in the world today?

I am behind on my conspiracies so while I have heard them with the rest of the people on that list, but I never got to hear one about Gates.
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o my god

there is no fix for stupid. I think i've answered that a million times over. Feel free to click on the videos and links and facts i've posted in the last 40 pages
and use your common sense
for fucks sake.
Yeah, now i'm getting angry. people cannot be this dumb?
 
Ellicottraven

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Adreme said:
Out of curiosity, what exactly did Bill Gates do beyond spend billions of dollars on trying to help the world with the single largest charity in the world today?

I am behind on my conspiracies so while I have heard them with the rest of the people on that list, but I never got to hear one about Gates.
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Now you just got our resident theorist @Sami84 all riled up! Wait for his response in 1, 2, 3!
 
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Ellicottraven said:
Now you just got our resident theorist @Sami84 all riled up! Wait for his response in 1, 2, 3!
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theorist? I throw in facts buddy combined with seeing things for what they are. No, I'm not going to explain gates all over again. My posts are all here and he can go view them.

I combined all the vaccination TRUTHS, all the covid 19 FACTS, all of GATES agendas and how it correlates with the corruption of society as a whole
and I think repeating myself would end up breaking this server down so he can go view my posts from the last month on here

all published PDFS independent and not corporate run. Everything is here. Happy hunting
 
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Ellicottraven said:
Now you just got our resident theorist @Sami84 all riled up! Wait for his response in 1, 2, 3!
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He seemed really cross with me for asking a question of which I was legitimately curious. I have seen Obama ones, I have seen 1000 Clinton ones, which are usually sort of funny, I have seen ones where people claim Soros and Rockefeller are behind pretty much every act since the early 90s (if people had this kind of power the world would be run far better than it is), but I have not gotten to see any involving Gates lately.

Well I guess I did get to hear the one where Bill Gates manufactured COVID so that he could own the vaccine make billions and use it to track people. Can it be that one? That one made me laugh, especially considering the last one is something pretty much every tech company can already do, and the billions are not really needed when he cant give away his money fast enough.
 
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Adreme said:
He seemed really cross with me for asking a question of which I was legitimately curious. I have seen Obama ones, I have seen 1000 Clinton ones, which are usually sort of funny, I have seen ones where people claim Soros and Rockefeller are behind pretty much every act since the early 90s (if people had this kind of power the world would be run far better than it is), but I have not gotten to see any involving Gates lately.

Well I guess I did get to hear the one where Bill Gates manufactured COVID so that he could own the vaccine make billions and use it to track people. Can it be that one? That one made me laugh, especially considering the last one is something pretty much every tech company can already do, and the billions are not really needed when he cant give away his money fast enough.
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Oh boy...and i was having a good day today. No, I'll resist. You can read all my stuff. it goes well beyond that cookie cutter ideology.
 
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Sami84 said:
theorist? I throw in facts buddy combined with seeing things for what they are. No, I'm not going to explain gates all over again. My posts are all here and he can go view them.

I combined all the vaccination TRUTHS, all the covid 19 FACTS, all of GATES agendas and how it correlates with the corruption of society as a whole
and I think repeating myself would end up breaking this server down so he can go view my posts from the last month on here

all published PDFS independent and not corporate run. Everything is here. Happy hunting
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Oh so it is some weird version of the COVID conspiracy theory. That is unfortunate. I was hoping to get to see a new theory today because its been awhile since I have gotten to hear a new one.
 
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Adreme said:
Oh so it is some weird version of the COVID conspiracy theory. That is unfortunate. I was hoping to get to see a new theory today because its been awhile since I have gotten to hear a new one.
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Yup you're pretty much this.
 

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Sami84 said:
Oh boy...and i was having a good day today. No, I'll resist. You can read all my stuff. it goes well beyond that cookie cutter ideology.
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Out of curiosity I clicked back 5 pages (the furthest it would let me go) and it took me to.... yesterday. Now you say I need to go back a month which mean just to find the right post in question would in theory take about 25 minutes which is a lot of time just to find the theory in question.

At least the Moon people, the 911 people, the Kennedy people, the Soros people, etc. are all nice enough to make theories easy to find.
 
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Adreme said:
Out of curiosity I clicked back 5 pages (the furthest it would let me go) and it took me to.... yesterday. Now you say I need to go back a month which mean just to find the right post in question would in theory take about 25 minutes which is a lot of time just to find the theory in question.

At least the Moon people, the 911 people, the Kennedy people, the Soros people, etc. are all nice enough to make theories easy to find.
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this goes back WAY more than 5 pages. try 20 pages. I posted hundred of links, created PDFS for people to view on here regarding vaccines and dozens of links regarding the dangers of 5G

I'm a PhD. I rejected big pharma many years ago and I could have made far more by not
I've spent my life seeing the corruption of my field and who it led to, the system and it's manipulation.
You're going to have to go around 4 weeks back to see all the content I posted.
All the best.
just know I've been doing this for 25 years. Since I was a teenager.
 
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Sami84 said:
Yup you're pretty much this.
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There are certain elements in a conspiracy theory that make it so. Element one requires that it takes bits and pieces of true things, but are selectively edited in order to make something seem to be more sinister than it is. Element two requires that the logical train generally make sense on the surface (but often not make sense if you really think about it but by then you are already sold). Element three, and this is the most important one, requires that the theory provide a structure to something that does not have structure. The appeal of a conspiracy theory, for those who buy into them, is that it provides order in a world that is otherwise chaotic and random which is why they generally have large figures controlling things behind the scenes.

There are other elements that can be in them, yet are not mandatory, but those are the three big ones that generally characterize all conspiracy theories.
 
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