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Riots destroying businesses and homes?? Why don't they arrest looters and leave peaceful protests alone instead of inciting unrest by beating the crap out of everybody? What about this? How would you call it?

Try Gestapo.


As I said ... a situation where every city in the country is in flames is going present 1,000,000 opportunities for some new outrage. When every city becomes a battlefield the fog of war is everywhere.

Some of what we will see will be more bad conduct from law enforcement who could also face punishment. Some will be half truths framed in the way the person or organization wants you to see it for the sole purpose of fanning the flames.

Law enforcement is given an awesome responsibility and with it comes power that can be abused. It was clearly abused in Minneapolis AND THOSE INVOLED HAVE BEEN CHARGED AND NEED TO BE CONVICTED.

People don’t like stereotypes unless they are interested in branding the groups they don’t side with. The police are the gestapo. All conservatives are red neck stupid racists. Every problem in the nation is the fault of the leadership you don’t like (when damn near every mayor on every town is your color of blue ... let the blame bubble up to the leader you don’t like).

Sorry if I’m upset watching my country burn. I welcome you or anyone else ranting about the state of things to put on a uniform and deal with what is happening and do what you need to do to protect and serve and disconnect any concerns you may have for your own well being. Not just this week but every god damn day on the streets.

The option is always there from those in that position walk away and let anarchy descend upon us. I’m sure we’ll be a better nation after the anarchist tear everything to shreds.
 

Adreme

Ravens Ring of Honor
He can talk to the hand. I'm not interested in deranged diarrhea coming out of his mouth.

He was talking about me, as I asked the question. I was curious because I do find conspiracies rather interesting (from an intellectual perspective). Plus it gives me something to read in my spare time.
 

Sami84

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There are certain elements in a conspiracy theory that make it so. Element one requires that it takes bits and pieces of true things, but are selectively edited in order to make something seem to be more sinister than it is. Element two requires that the logical train generally make sense on the surface (but often not make sense if you really think about it but by then you are already sold). Element three, and this is the most important one, requires that the theory provide a structure to something that does not have structure. The appeal of a conspiracy theory, for those who buy into them, is that it provides order in a world that is otherwise chaotic and random which is why they generally have large figures controlling things behind the scenes.

There are other elements that can be in them, yet are not mandatory, but those are the three big ones that generally characterize all conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theories are either true or false. Evil that runs this world tip toes and matures in order to give the illusion of it being anything but. Bill gates and charity is comedic. I've explained it numerous times in this discussion and what charity ACTUALLY IS and why it's not what it appears to be. I have no will to go over a books worth of conversation all over again when everything is here so rather than prodding me into starting all over just read. It's something I do
I read all sides
 

allblackraven

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As I said ... a situation where every city in the country is in flames is going present 1,000,000 opportunities for some new outrage. When every city becomes a battlefield the fog of war is everywhere.

Some of what we will see will be more bad conduct from law enforcement who could also face punishment. Some will be half truths framed in the way the person or organization wants you to see it for the sole purpose of fanning the flames.

Law enforcement is given an awesome responsibility and with it comes power that can be abused. It was clearly abused in Minneapolis AND THOSE INVOLED HAVE BEEN CHARGED AND NEED TO BE CONVICTED.

People don’t like stereotypes unless they are interested in branding the groups they don’t side with. The police are the gestapo. All conservatives are red neck stupid racists. Every problem in the nation is the fault of the leadership you don’t like (when damn near every mayor on every town is your color of blue ... let the blame bubble up to the leader you don’t like).

Sorry if I’m upset watching my country burn. I welcome you or anyone else ranting about the state of things to put on a uniform and deal with what is happening and do what you need to do to protect and serve and disconnect any concerns you may have for your own well being. Not just this week but every god damn day on the streets.

The option is always there from those in that position walk away and let anarchy descend upon us. I’m sure we’ll be a better nation after the anarchist tear everything to shreds.
No.
People are protesting their brutality. Now those same and a lot more other cops have been sent to brutalise them more.
Why don't they take care of looters and criminals and let non-violent protesters do what 1st amendment allows them to do?
Funny how you are all swearing by Constitution but only when it's protecting your rights. Right, for example, to own assault automatic weapons in 21st century but the others can't walk and talk without being teargassed?
And you wonder why the country is burning.
 

allblackraven

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He was talking about me, as I asked the question. I was curious because I do find conspiracies rather interesting (from an intellectual perspective). Plus it gives me something to read in my spare time.
I know.
I just wanted to reiterate my position.
 

Adreme

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No.
People are protesting their brutality. Now those same and a lot more other cops have been sent to brutalise them more.
Why don't they take care of looters and criminals and let non-violent protesters do what 1st amendment allows them to do?
Funny how you are all swearing by Constitution but only when it's protecting your rights. Right, for example, to own assault automatic weapons in 21st century but the others can't walk and talk without being teargassed?
And you wonder why the country is burning.

The root of the problem there, though it's not the protesters fault, is that the people who want to break a window or loot a store can quickly mix into the crowd of protesters because they are only a block or two away.

Then there is the problem where if they do not pay attention to a large group of protesters, then a few agitators can quickly turn it into a riot and suddenly a precinct is burned down and multiple stores are looted and everything is out of control.

Fortunately, as most criminals are stupid, they seem to have caught a lot of the people looting and damaging the cities and so the protests have become far more peaceful recently, which is good for everyone.
 

Adreme

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So why is this racist? Those men play basketball. Classic example of pushing a narrative.

Drew Brees has an opinion she agrees so he allowed to have that opinion. Lebron has an opinion she disagrees with and he should "shut up and dribble". At the very least she is a hypocrite who only thinks it is okay for athletes to have opinions when they agree with her and otherwise they should not express them. That is the best-case interpretation of what she is saying here.
 

allblackraven

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The root of the problem there, though it's not the protesters fault, is that the people who want to break a window or loot a store can quickly mix into the crowd of protesters because they are only a block or two away.

Then there is the problem where if they do not pay attention to a large group of protesters, then a few agitators can quickly turn it into a riot and suddenly a precinct is burned down and multiple stores are looted and everything is out of control.

Fortunately, as most criminals are stupid, they seem to have caught a lot of the people looting and damaging the cities and so the protests have become far more peaceful recently, which is good for everyone.
Check Iowa city or New York last night.
 

Adreme

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Check Iowa city or New York last night.

They were largely peaceful with minimal looting happening (though NYC did still have some though some that did still did the slip into the crowd thing but fortunately criminals are stupid). Now I know most of the arrests were due to curfew violations, which I am torn about. I understand why they needed a curfew, as only a couple days ago the city was being looted and broken up. On the other hand, I also am not a fan of rules that infringe on people's right to peaceably protest under the 1st amendment (at least rules set up by governments). On the other other hand, I was okay with the lockdown which under a narrow view of the constitution was not something the government could do, but they did for the benefit of public health (see drunk driving laws as a fair comparison), and it is not a large stretch to argue that preventing the city from having its stores looted and burned, as well as cars burned is in the best interests of public safety.

Basically I am torn on how I feel about it.
 
No.
People are protesting their brutality. Now those same and a lot more other cops have been sent to brutalise them more.
Why don't they take care of looters and criminals and let non-violent protesters do what 1st amendment allows them to do?
Funny how you are all swearing by Constitution but only when it's protecting your rights. Right, for example, to own assault automatic weapons in 21st century but the others can't walk and talk without being teargassed?
And you wonder why the country is burning.
The cops are not being sent out to brutalize peaceful protests. They are sent out to prevent violent unrest and uphold law. If that is to enforce a curfew or to prevent people from entering areas of a city that have been hit by violence they will do that. I’m not following every single outraged post on Twitter ir wherever else because it they are created to inflame and almost never tell the whole story.

In the cases of peaceful protest if you are told you cannot enter an area and you do, is that peaceful? If you are told to obey curfew and you don’t, is that peaceful? You are daring someone who has been told to enforce a law to enforce it and when they do the cameras are rolling. Tweet outrage!

I guess your idea of freedom of protest is to go anywhere, anytime. When there is massive unrest there simply is not enough manpower to ensure public safety. So cities have to restrict entry to areas to keep peace. If protesters want to challenge those boundaries I’m not sure why the outcome is stunning.

“Curfews are meant to silence us”. B S. You’ve had all damn day to protest and half of the night. Curfews are there to prevent more destruction. Sorry 1st Anendment in tact

“Why you wearing riot gear? I don’t see no riot”. B S. I’m sorry I didnt realize there was a formal announcement as to when and where a riot was going to break out.

If you don’t think police have been injured trying to limit access to areas of the city you are selective in the tweets you post. Those instances involve some protests that were peaceful ... until they weren’t.
 

allblackraven

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The cops are not being sent out to brutalize peaceful protests. They are sent out to prevent violent unrest and uphold law. If that is to enforce a curfew or to prevent people from entering areas of a city that have been hit by violence they will do that. I’m not following every single outraged post on Twitter ir wherever else because it they are created to inflame and almost never tell the whole story.

In the cases of peaceful protest if you are told you cannot enter an area and you do, is that peaceful? If you are told to obey curfew and you don’t, is that peaceful? You are daring someone who has been told to enforce a law to enforce it and when they do the cameras are rolling. Tweet outrage!

I guess your idea of freedom of protest is to go anywhere, anytime. When there is massive unrest there simply is not enough manpower to ensure public safety. So cities have to restrict entry to areas to keep peace. If protesters want to challenge those boundaries I’m not sure why the outcome is stunning.

“Curfews are meant to silence us”. B S. You’ve had all damn day to protest and half of the night. Curfews are there to prevent more destruction. Sorry 1st Anendment in tact

“Why you wearing riot gear? I don’t see no riot”. B S. I’m sorry I didnt realize there was a formal announcement as to when and where a riot was going to break out.

If you don’t think police have been injured trying to limit access to areas of the city you are selective in the tweets you post. Those instances involve some protests that were peaceful ... until they weren’t.
The idea of the protest is to protest where it's heard the most. Anytime.
And you obviously did not pay attention - they gassed the Lafayette park in the middle of the day so idiot can walk to take a picture?
And there's gassing and beating everywhere, day and night. I know it hurts feelings but instead of constant platitudes to various armed formations in USA, why don't you start listening to what others are going through and why are they on the streets?
That's the whole fucking idea - make you uncomfortable because you all choose to not see or hear anything.
 

Willbacker

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because in the exact same situations she suggested durant and lebron stick to sports but that drew brees should be allowed to express an opinion and not be criticised...

i dont get how you dont see that irony/hypocrisy

Its fine to call it hypocrisy but in the post it was called racism. Thats the problem.
 

rossihunter2

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In the cases of peaceful protest if you are told you cannot enter an area and you do, is that peaceful? If you are told to obey curfew and you don’t, is that peaceful? You are daring someone who has been told to enforce a law to enforce it and when they do the cameras are rolling. Tweet outrage!

so what you're saying is that the sit-ins of the 1960s shouldn't have been allowed either?

peaceful protest is still peaceful protest if it's not lawful - it not being allowed doesnt make it non-peaceful... it just makes it illegal

and legality is not the same as morality

breaking curfew with peaceful protests is not a reason for police escalation or an excuse for police violence...
 
The idea of the protest is to protest where it's heard the most. Anytime.
And you obviously did not pay attention - they gassed the Lafayette park in the middle of the day so idiot can walk to take a picture?
And there's gassing and beating everywhere, day and night. I know it hurts feelings but instead of constant platitudes to various armed formations in USA, why don't you start listening to what others are going through and why are they on the streets?
That's the whole fucking idea - make you uncomfortable because you all choose to not see or hear anything.
Who chose not to hear anything? When you say “you” you are talking to “me”. Have I not already said what triggered the unrest is an abomination and does need to be (and appears to be getting) addressed? Or are you too busy ignoring what I say and instead label me based on nothing more than the knowledge I don’t march lock step with the left? You threw at me some BS about automatic weapons and 2nd amendment. Never once said a word about that but that must be my view because I don’t sing the exact song you sing. More stereotypes.

I knew you were going to bring up Trump and the church thing and say something about not paying attention. The move by Trump was petty unnecessary and provocative. But of course you just think I will defend everything Trump does because I have a distrust of major media and the Democratic Party. More stereotyping so please stop.

But you choose this example to label the police the gestapo. From an officers perspective you are told the president is coming through here and the area needs to be clear. Not a lot of choices if the people don’t comply. And while the circumstances were provocative if I’m told I can’t go down a road or have to leave an area by the police guess what I’m going to do. Clear the fuck out is what I’m going to do.

So the point of wanton destruction that will impact the lives of so many ... the vast majority of whom are the same people you pretend to carry the torch for ... is to make me uncomfortable? Mission accomplished.
 
so what you're saying is that the sit-ins of the 1960s shouldn't have been allowed either?

peaceful protest is still peaceful protest if it's not lawful - it not being allowed doesnt make it non-peaceful... it just makes it illegal

and legality is not the same as morality

breaking curfew with peaceful protests is not a reason for police escalation or an excuse for police violence...
I stated the point of curfew and restricting access to areas of a city as being necessary at times of major unrest because there is simply not enough manpower to protect the public.

So lift the curfews open all areas of the city and watch the police be helpless to stop massive destruction. That’s what you want then sorry have to disagree.
 
I’m done here.

Hope the police involved in the case are convicted and serve serious prison time

Hope the riots stop and peaceful protests continue within the parameters that city officials create in order to keep their citizens safe.

Disagree with that if you like but there is nothing more I have to say on this matter.
 

rossihunter2

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I stated the point of curfew and restricting access to areas of a city as being necessary at times of major unrest because there is simply not enough manpower to protect the public.

So lift the curfews open all areas of the city and watch the police be helpless to stop massive destruction. That’s what you want then sorry have to disagree.

except the majority of the public are in support of the protests...
and the looting and damage to a large degree have been perpetrated by a small minority and to a minimal degree

there are much better responses to mass protest than using tear gas and rubber bullets

and the police clearly know they're in the wrong or they wouldn't be targeting journalists and medics and they wouldnt be taking off/turning off their body cams and covering up their badge numbers...

those are not the actions of an innocent party

so who, in fact are the police protecting with their escalatory tactics?
 
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