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rossihunter2

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Based on the problems in MLB and the fact it is a low contact sport, I don't have much hope for an NFL season.

There will be major players out for at least 2 weeks at a time all over the place.

I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be sadly.

the 1 positive would seem to be that the outbreak in MLB can be traced back to one team having some sort of party type event and flaunting any measures

it's hard to know more right now given the marlins basically wrecked any chance at any useful information by being idiots
 

Simba

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the 1 positive would seem to be that the outbreak in MLB can be traced back to one team having some sort of party type event and flaunting any measures

it's hard to know more right now given the marlins basically wrecked any chance at any useful information by being idiots

It's a weird situation because the MLB has handled everything poorly from the beginning, and the Marlins just added onto that stupidity.

But, it shows how 1 person not following protocols can cause an uproar and a spread through the locker room quickly. Are we really to trust that the NFL players that don't have a solid track record of good decision making are going to follow everything perfectly? That's what has me concerned. For one, it's a larger locker room so the chances are higher. For two, there's a lot more freedom in football, only playing 1 day a week.

It'll definitely be interesting to see. It's going to take a huge commitment from everyone because even one detractor can bring the whole operation down.
 
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Deebo813

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It's a weird situation because the MLB has handled everything poorly from the beginning, and the Marlins just added onto that stupidity.

But, it shows how 1 person not following protocols can cause an uproar and a spread through the locker room quickly. Are we really to trust that the NFL players that don't have a solid track record of good decision making are going to follow everything perfectly? That's what has me concerned. For one, it's a larger locker room so the chances are higher. For two, there's a lot more freedom in football, only playing 1 day a week.

It'll definitely be interesting to see. It's going to take a huge commitment from everyone because even one detractor can bring the whole operation down.
Even following protocol can still get you sick and thats whats even worse. Nba did right by putting guys in a bubble, cant do that in nfl
 

Simba

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Even following protocol can still get you sick and thats whats even worse. Nba did right by putting guys in a bubble, cant do that in nfl

Exactly. A bubble is really the only way that prevention works. But as you said, not happening in the NFL for 5 months with the number of people they have.
 

Deebo813

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Exactly. A bubble is really the only way that prevention works. But as you said, not happening in the NFL for 5 months with the number of people they have.
Man they might have to cancel season. The more players that opt out make it seem like its something to consider..
 

Simba

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Man they might have to cancel season. The more players that opt out make it seem like its something to consider..

I don't think the opt outs right now are a big deal. It's a really small percentage and only a few bigger names so far. The Patriots have obviously been hit hard but no one else to this point... yet at least.

The big thing will be when the season starts and 1 person tests positive and then it transfers all over the locker room. If/when that happens, what's the response? That's what will determine how football moves forward. I see no way they don't at least start the season, but finishing will be another question entirely.
 

rmcjacket23

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I don't think the opt outs right now are a big deal. It's a really small percentage and only a few bigger names so far. The Patriots have obviously been hit hard but no one else to this point... yet at least.

The big thing will be when the season starts and 1 person tests positive and then it transfers all over the locker room. If/when that happens, what's the response? That's what will determine how football moves forward. I see no way they don't at least start the season, but finishing will be another question entirely.
I agree.

As of about 2 hours ago, there were 44 confirmed players who have opted out who were actually on NFL rosters. Assuming 80 man rosters per team, that's 44 out of 2,560 possible players (its likely higher than that actually). That's an opt out rate of ~1.7% currently. Not a very big number at all.

Here's what I really don't know... how many players in an individual locker room would have test to positive in order to prevent a team from fielding a roster that week for a game? Considering you have essentially 60 man regular season rosters (48 on active + 12 PS), and this year offers a ton of flexibility to go back and forth, unlimited IR spots, etc., how many players would you really need on gameday to compete?

If you truly went bare bones... probably like 35-40. Have a lot of guys playing special teams that normally wouldn't, but you could actually field a team, without major concerns for well-being, with about 35-40 players.

So realistically, in my eyes, you're going to need about 20-25 players to test positive at the same time, and be ineligible to play, in a single locker room, before you really have a "problem".

Other than that, if they're able to contain like 3-5 players getting it, regardless of whether they're big names or nobodies, they'll continue on. The NFL isn't going to cancel its season because Lamar tests positive and misses 2-3 games. Its going to take dozens of players across probably multiple locker rooms, at one time, who test positive, in order to halt the season.
 

Simba

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I agree.

As of about 2 hours ago, there were 44 confirmed players who have opted out who were actually on NFL rosters. Assuming 80 man rosters per team, that's 44 out of 2,560 possible players (its likely higher than that actually). That's an opt out rate of ~1.7% currently. Not a very big number at all.

Here's what I really don't know... how many players in an individual locker room would have test to positive in order to prevent a team from fielding a roster that week for a game? Considering you have essentially 60 man regular season rosters (48 on active + 12 PS), and this year offers a ton of flexibility to go back and forth, unlimited IR spots, etc., how many players would you really need on gameday to compete?

If you truly went bare bones... probably like 35-40. Have a lot of guys playing special teams that normally wouldn't, but you could actually field a team, without major concerns for well-being, with about 35-40 players.

So realistically, in my eyes, you're going to need about 20-25 players to test positive at the same time, and be ineligible to play, in a single locker room, before you really have a "problem".

Other than that, if they're able to contain like 3-5 players getting it, regardless of whether they're big names or nobodies, they'll continue on. The NFL isn't going to cancel its season because Lamar tests positive and misses 2-3 games. Its going to take dozens of players across probably multiple locker rooms, at one time, who test positive, in order to halt the season.

Timing will also factor. If a whole bunch of guys test positive on a Monday, they have time to potentially test negative (assuming most of these continue to be asymptomatic cases that "pass" quickly) over the next several days. Practice throughout the week would be an issue but that's manageable.

If you have an influx on a Saturday though, you could be in big trouble trying to work out the logistics getting the practice squad players ready/there if they didn't travel.
 

rossihunter2

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It's a weird situation because the MLB has handled everything poorly from the beginning, and the Marlins just added onto that stupidity.

But, it shows how 1 person not following protocols can cause an uproar and a spread through the locker room quickly. Are we really to trust that the NFL players that don't have a solid track record of good decision making are going to follow everything perfectly? That's what has me concerned. For one, it's a larger locker room so the chances are higher. For two, there's a lot more freedom in football, only playing 1 day a week.

It'll definitely be interesting to see. It's going to take a huge commitment from everyone because even one detractor can bring the whole operation down.

which is why its crazy that the nfl doesnt seem to have anything in place (partly why the nfl and nflpa were in talks literally just before training camps opened - despite having 4 months prior to sort this stuff out)

the fact that they're basically allowing bubbles of 80 players + coaching staffs is a bit odd

although what's interesting is that for players to be at training camp right now (at least on the ravens side of things) they will have been tested 3 times in the last 5 days

so at least testing is good enough to hopefully catch stuff early

but it does literally only take 1 person to bring everything down

it helps that the players are clearly (at owings mills) wearing masks while in the building etc. and im assuming social distancing is still happening too
that definitely helps reduces communicability and then the biggest transfer risks are happening in the training periods outside and in the conditioning periods inside (but im assuming they will have re-spaced all the equipment to make it socially distant

and the good mitigating thing is that obviously being outside dramatically reduces communicability
 
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rossihunter2

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I don't think the opt outs right now are a big deal. It's a really small percentage and only a few bigger names so far. The Patriots have obviously been hit hard but no one else to this point... yet at least.

The big thing will be when the season starts and 1 person tests positive and then it transfers all over the locker room. If/when that happens, what's the response? That's what will determine how football moves forward. I see no way they don't at least start the season, but finishing will be another question entirely.

not even just it transferring all over the locker room but best practice would be for everyone with contact to self-isolate as a precautionary measure anyway for up to 2 weeks even with a negative test (2 or 3 negative tests in the first 5 days might be enough but ideally those players would be isolating for 5 days minimum and up to 2 weeks)

but that's clearly not going to be applicable here with games every single week and no bubbles within the locker room

im very much with you - im almost certain there's a week 1 in football - but im not certain at all that we'll make it to the playoffs
 

rossihunter2

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Timing will also factor. If a whole bunch of guys test positive on a Monday, they have time to potentially test negative (assuming most of these continue to be asymptomatic cases that "pass" quickly) over the next several days. Practice throughout the week would be an issue but that's manageable.

If you have an influx on a Saturday though, you could be in big trouble trying to work out the logistics getting the practice squad players ready/there if they didn't travel.

and let's be honest - those players that didnt test positive on monday are likely to test positive later in the week - not everyone will contract it immediately so while some who test positive on a monday can maybe play sunday (still a tight turn around), there will be those in the team who because of the players that were positive monday end up testing positive later in the week

so while a monday positive is more manageable than a saturday it's likely that a monday leads to a wednesday/thursday/friday/saturday positive test

honestly the only solution i think that would legitimately be safe would be that if any team in the season has a positive test in their locker room then their game that week is postponed and they can only play the next week (if everyone else has been testing negative)

but there's no way that's what the NFL is going to do
 

JAAM

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Petty but I’ve been commenting “insecure Chiefs fans where y’all at?” on damn near every YouTube video published by the Ravens as of late because you know they’re right around the corner.
 

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JoeyFlex5

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HAHAHA no but that’s hilarious because I’ve seen him before. My YouTube name is my full name.
Lmao I’ve been seeing that dude starting just today, talking about insecure chiefs fans, and I wanted to comment “what poster are you on purpleflock?” But I forgot to lol
 
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