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Biggest Offseason need?

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Simba

Simba

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I don’t remember exactly when it was, but the play that pissed me off most today was a Lamar scramble. 4 receivers running into zone coverage. Every single one of them ran their route and then just stopped at the end. No effort at all to work back to Lamar. Just gave up when they weren’t open.
 
Ludy51

Ludy51

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Simba said:
I don’t remember exactly when it was, but the play that pissed me off most today was a Lamar scramble. 4 receivers running into zone coverage. Every single one of them ran their route and then just stopped at the end. No effort at all to work back to Lamar. Just gave up when they weren’t open.
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That's what I was saying on multiple occasions. These guys need to watch tape on the Seahawks or Bills or Chiefs receivers
 
rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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Ludy51 said:
I don’t think there’s any possibly about it. That was for sure the worst decision and throw of his career. No tipped at the line or anything that messed up the throw. It was all on Lamar there
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just didn't see it - it happens to everyone - just really bad timing

poor decision - not a bad throw though - just didn't see the guy lurking underneath reading his eyes

he locked in - willie snead was coming open outside on that throw
 
ThatsMyJoeTerback

ThatsMyJoeTerback

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In before Roman haters:
Roman didn’t throw a red zone pick 6
Roman didn’t snap the ball over the qb's head
Roman isn't the one not giving Lamar two seconds to scan the field
Roman doesn't have funky footwork and mechanics the second the pocket breaks down

Whether we like it or not, Roman has actually done a good job elevating the offensive talent sans the elementary pass concepts. In big games, player execution has failed miserably. I used to be holding the pitchfork at Roman, but we wouldn't be better off without him. A lot of the issues midseason were, quite frankly, down to player execution.

With that being said, I have full faith the boys will bounce back. Lamar only gets better every year. Hollywood looks bright. We really weren't supposed to be here anyways lol
 
A

A1A

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We got out coached again...I mean Lamar is still young, just a kid.. the coaches have to be in his ear and say no mistakes here run the ball if u have to. That pick was stupid. What happened to the run game?? The bills beat us. Let that sink in . Lol I'm falling back from this team the staff is incompetent.
 
rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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Simba said:
I really respect what Snead and Boykin do in the blocking game, but you’ve got to improve there at the expense of that skill. Fighters and they’re pretty damn good at it, but we need more impact as receivers.
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they're only helpful running the ball when we break those runs anyway (well boykin is - snead sometimes helps kicking guys out or getting on LBs when he motions)

but when teams shut down our running game they serve little to no threat as actual wide receivers

there's a role for maybe one of them on this team in a situational type role but what's the point in having 7 receivers on the 53 when only 1 of them is an actual legitimate threat and the other 2 starters are starters because of their blocking

Lamar showed in 2019 that if you give him time in the pocket and he's comfortable he can dissect his way downfield without play action or run fakes or anything even with sub-par receiving where we're relying on seth roberts of all people

give him time, give him help - dont let this go the way of the mid-to-late flacco era where we gave him no help, no time and his mechanics deteriorated and he just broke down as a QB
 
rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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ThatsMyJoeTerback said:
In before Roman haters:
Roman didn’t throw a red zone pick 6
Roman didn’t snap the ball over the qb's head
Roman isn't the one not giving Lamar two seconds to scan the field
Roman doesn't have funky footwork and mechanics the second the pocket breaks down

Whether we like it or not, Roman has actually done a good job elevating the offensive talent sans the elementary pass concepts. In big games, player execution has failed miserably. I used to be holding the pitchfork at Roman, but we wouldn't be better off without him. A lot of the issues midseason were, quite frankly, down to player execution.

With that being said, I have full faith the boys will bounce back. Lamar only gets better every year. Hollywood looks bright. We really weren't supposed to be here anyways lol
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this is where i am with Roman (and have been for most of the 2nd half of the season)

he's a good coach with maybe the most innovative and complex and difficult to defend running scheme in recent history

but we do not have a good passing game and it's tanked this team in some big moments the last 2 years and while some of it is execution we also just havent been putting our quarterback or receivers in good positions to create opportunities - yes it does come down to winning your matchup but scheme makes a massive difference

execution is always the biggest differential but we do have to give our passing game some schematic help too (and better personnel also)
 
SepticeyePoe

SepticeyePoe

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rossihunter2 said:
this is where i am with Roman (and have been for most of the 2nd half of the season)

he's a good coach with maybe the most innovative and complex and difficult to defend running scheme in recent history

but we do not have a good passing game and it's tanked this team in some big moments the last 2 years and while some of it is execution we also just havent been putting our quarterback or receivers in good positions to create opportunities - yes it does come down to winning your matchup but scheme makes a massive difference

execution is always the biggest differential but we do have to give our passing game some schematic help too (and better personnel also)
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Any chance we can get a breakdown of the route combinations they were running? I can't stop thinking about the Kurt Warner video.
 
ThatsMyJoeTerback

ThatsMyJoeTerback

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rossihunter2 said:
this is where i am with Roman (and have been for most of the 2nd half of the season)

he's a good coach with maybe the most innovative and complex and difficult to defend running scheme in recent history

but we do not have a good passing game and it's tanked this team in some big moments the last 2 years and while some of it is execution we also just havent been putting our quarterback or receivers in good positions to create opportunities - yes it does come down to winning your matchup but scheme makes a massive difference

execution is always the biggest differential but we do have to give our passing game some schematic help too (and better personnel also)
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yep and i remember you saying something along those lines during the Colts(?) game. i thought you were full of crap lol.

it has become very clear that the current passing attack will not work. lamar has to make every single play and has very little help, whether its because of scheme or the personnel he has to work with.

in my eyes tho, lamar has shown hes fully capable of leading a passing offense that can play from behind
 
rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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SepticeyePoe said:
Any chance we can get a breakdown of the route combinations they were running? I can't stop thinking about the Kurt Warner video.
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im not that great personally with route combos and scheme stuff because i still struggle with all the complexities of it but i can certainly have a look when the coaches film comes out and see what i can see

but there'll be more qualified people than me who im sure will break it down because to me it seems to be the single most important point of improvement and if we cant make that leap then we wont get beyond this round again
 
JAAM

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Can we get a “Next Up: Off-season” thread going? Leaving this game in my year-of-2020 memory bank, AKA, not remembering anything.
 
rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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ThatsMyJoeTerback said:
yep and i remember you saying something along those lines during the Colts(?) game. i thought you were full of crap lol.

it has become very clear that the current passing attack will not work. lamar has to make every single play and has very little help, whether its because of scheme or the personnel he has to work with.

in my eyes tho, lamar has shown hes fully capable of leading a passing offense that can play from behind
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i think i said then that roman had obviously adjusted well to how a defence was playing us - i remember clearly how we came out and started driving against the colts in the 2nd half

but pretty sure i also said that the passing game looked broken to me and i wasnt sure it could be fixed before the offseason - i thought later in the regular season that i was wrong about that but kurt warner's video is pretty damning in that context

and it's a shame because roman's running innovations with lamar and ricard and boyle and bozeman and the pistol have genuinely been revolutionary - harbs was not wrong when before the 2019 season he said we were going to revolutionise football - obviously some of it's to do with lamar but i have to say im surprised that i havent seen much copycat from the rest of the league running similar styles
 
ndub

ndub

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rossihunter2 said:
just didn't see it - it happens to everyone - just really bad timing

poor decision - not a bad throw though - just didn't see the guy lurking underneath reading his eyes

he locked in - willie snead was coming open outside on that throw
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How long must we defend a guy who nearly every 4 or so weeks, especially in playoff games, has the "worst throw ever from him"?? At some point we have to realize this guy will never be a bonafide star PASSING Qb.. he's a great player overall right now, but he will need to become a far better passer when he starts slipping even a little bit when it comes to athleticism
 
Simba

Simba

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ThatsMyJoeTerback said:
yep and i remember you saying something along those lines during the Colts(?) game. i thought you were full of crap lol.

it has become very clear that the current passing attack will not work. lamar has to make every single play and has very little help, whether its because of scheme or the personnel he has to work with.

in my eyes tho, lamar has shown hes fully capable of leading a passing offense that can play from behind
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It’s definitely a combination of things. Lamar can’t sit in a pocket forever and wait for some of these average at best WRs try to work their way open. But at the same time, the scheme doesn’t exactly allow for WRs to get open either. Things take too long to develop for both reasons.

After these last couple of years, I still can’t believe we have no bunch formation or slant concepts. Let Lamar get the ball out fast and work the middle of the field. That’s where he works best, and we seemingly have so few options to develop those concepts.

But again, gonna give Roman the benefit of the doubt because the personnel probably can’t get any of that done with their skill set. Not sure I’ve seen a WR group that gets off the line as slow as we do.
 
drjohnnyfever

drjohnnyfever

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JO_75 said:
I know the narrative is going to be Lamar is a choker, Lamar can't get it done, etc. That shouldn't be the narrative, only a little bit of it. I like Harbaugh and I know damn well if we were to ever fire him he would be signed somewhere else within a day. Just at this point, we know what Lamar and this offense can do. We have the defense that can contain opposing offenses like we did against Tennessee and even tonight against Buffalo. I just wonder if the narrative should include whether Harbaugh can coach under the pressure when it matters the most?

I know our defense is set but I knew it would hurt us not improving our receiving core and Dez is not the answer. I'm not saying we should have essentially traded Patrick Queen for Diggs but damn we go out and make improvements on defense like we always do, but ignored the offense again. We were content with the receiving core we had when we should have been more aggressive in improving it. Brown is good, Andrews is good but we really don't have someone else who can help spread opposing defenses. This game tonight was on Lamar as without that pick 6, we have a shot to tie it up at 10. Just so frustrating knowing we should have won this game tonight and being ready to take on Kansas City or Cleveland next week.
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Coaches go before talent; it's just the way it has to be. This is 3 Playoff years where they have not exerted their dominance in running when they are by far the gold standard in that department. Someone other than the normal nay-sayers on here will need to explain why they shifted from a running game that was averaging 6+ yrds/carry to passing after the 3rd series. The Bills DEF KNEW every pass call. That was clear! Every pass play, the Bills knew it... sacks, pressures. You can say the OL didn't play well, but this is the same lackluster Playoff OFF we've seen before. To answser the question, no, Harbaugh cannot coach under pressure. Having a team built to get to the Playoffs is one thing. Even when he won the SB, it was the "new" playcalling of a recycled HC in Jim Caldwell that changed things and realized the potential of the talent we had.

I would love to see Lamar as our QB of the future. I think he has IT. I don't think our HC has IT.
 
RavensMania

RavensMania

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CanadianRavensFan said:
This game pisses me off. We should have won it but we let them off the hook. I really liked Mekari and thought he was the future but his snapping tonight was just as bad as Skura's and we need to get someone reliable. I think Roman has to go, his play calling today was atrocious between the terrible passing schemes and his desire to run the ball outside instead of inside is really questionable to me.
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Harbaugh said at halftime that the wind was affecting the snapping. Mekari did very well the 2nd half of the season, I'm certainly hoping Harbaugh wasn't just covering up for him with that comment.
 
JO_75

JO_75

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We made so many mistakes in the offseason that led to this. Yeah that loss to the Titans stung enough to improve the defense but man again, we ignored the offense. Losing a HOF Guard like Yanda and not doing anything to replace him? Fluker was alright but we keep drafting mid round guys expecting them to blossom into starters. Do you know who the last IOL was we drafted in the first round? Ben Grubbs way back in 2007.

Our offense may scare defenses but man our passing game doesn't. Again expecting mid round guys to develop into all pros like Boykin and is unacceptable. Once teams shut down Brown and Andrews, who else is there that scares them and can spread defenses? NOBODY. That was our downfall, yeah Josh Allen improved because he has Stefon Diggs to catch his passes and make big plays. Lamar doesn't have that guy, it's amazing how year after year we waste good defenses because of a lack of any kind of offense. Just so frustrating.
 
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