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Biggest Offseason need?


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ndub

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Nah if we need an elite OL for our QB to be good then we need a new QB. Lol

Things will not always be perfect but we’ve seen great NFL QB make plays when their OLs break down. I think we need maybe a C but I think our G are solid. We can get a C at multiple levels in this draft, the question is if we want them. Also I’ve seen numerous guys I liked at C who were also drafted high but they also either busted or didn’t live up to their draft slot. It happens a lot and C is no exception.

I just don’t think it’s a safe position. I’d go for the best player at any of our huge needs TE, WR, IOL where ever they are. I’d include Edge, S, CB in there but our offense really needs better players to step it up.

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rossihunter2

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We killed ourselves with negative plays. There were several points where I felt like the offense were getting into rhythm, and then someone blows an assignment and we take a big sack, or a snap launches into orbit.

Every team is good at this stage, and you can easily find yourself in a war of attrition like we did last night. That's when execution matters the most, and our line consistently blew it and killed drives, killed momentum.

lamar was obviously well below-par last night but i recall a few blown plays during the run where lamar was able to pull us out of negative situations partly because we were playing bad teams

as you say those negative plays absolutely killed us against a good team - a good team that was 100% there for the taking if we'd even just cut our mistakes in half
 

Niagara

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The Ravens came out running like Gangbusters, but as the game wore on they couldn't sustain. The Bill's had a good defensive plan for Action Jackson. The 101 yard Pick Six?..........WOW......With a perfect drop back Action Jackson threw a "Quail". That thing was wobbling like it had been hit with number 8 lead shot. What a horrible, horrible throw. Whether Action Jackson failed to read Andrews route required being broken off due to the quadruple team coverage or whether the ball oscillated off its intended course only with future years of incredible failure will the truth be revealed. Horrific. The Horror....The Horror.

The good news was Action Jackson's injury allowed Huntley to come in and that man can throw a spiral. He can run some too. And I bet his Wonderlic isn't off the chart low. And he's not nearly as ugly!!

Hilarious take. Lamar reminds me of Samuel L Jackson in looks at least. Samuel L often plays the heavy so as a Bills fan it is easy to think of Lamar as the bad guy.
I was worried about the game bc a run heavy offense can play keep away from a pass heavy offense. I thought the snow might cause slipping, but I never thought the wind would be so influential. I live 5 miles from stadium, so I was surprised at the flags on the tv during the game. When it really gets windy around here you can hear it, and I could not.
I do think Lamar is a fun Cam II who will crash in a few years. Like EJ Manuel for the Bills, a waste of time and energy.
 

rossihunter2

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Nah if we need an elite OL for our QB to be good then we need a new QB. Lol

Things will not always be perfect but we’ve seen great NFL QB make plays when their OLs break down. I think we need maybe a C but I think our G are solid. We can get a C at multiple levels in this draft, the question is if we want them. Also I’ve seen numerous guys I liked at C who were also drafted high but they also either busted or didn’t live up to their draft slot. It happens a lot and C is no exception.

I just don’t think it’s a safe position. I’d go for the best player at any of our huge needs TE, WR, IOL where ever they are. I’d include Edge, S, CB in there but our offense really needs better players to step it up.

we do have a good QB and he played at a very high level for about half the season and we called the season a slump

we've seen that with a good OL he was the 2nd unanimous MVP in NFL history and with a bad OL he can still win us a ton of games

in terms of drafting i 100% agree you cant reach for need - if the IOL is there then you sprint to submit the pick but if another position is BPA you don't hesitate there either - we've got a really good roster but not sure there's a position on this team that wouldn't welcome a BPA 1st round talented addition to the group
 

rossihunter2

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Hilarious take. Lamar reminds me of Samuel L Jackson in looks at least. Samuel L often plays the heavy so as a Bills fan it is easy to think of Lamar as the bad guy.
I was worried about the game bc a run heavy offense can play keep away from a pass heavy offense. I thought the snow might cause slipping, but I never thought the wind would be so influential. I live 5 miles from stadium, so I was surprised at the flags on the tv during the game. When it really gets windy around here you can hear it, and I could not.
I do think Lamar is a fun Cam II who will crash in a few years. Like EJ Manuel for the Bills, a waste of time and energy.

you're comparing Lamar to EJ Manuel???

that's a new one
 

rossihunter2

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I think what we're seeing RE: the passing game and our ability to win goes somewhat back to analytics and efficiency

we have the best running game in the league and a well below-average passing game yet in terms of EPA our passing game rates above our running game - we're the only team in the league where the scores are even close enough to consider being a "run-first offence"

what that tells me is that this running game has taken us as far as it can - being a dynamic running attack can only take us so far as an offence - even with our lacklustre passing attack the analytics would probably still tell us we should be passing more than we are

you have to think that any sort of major upgrade to this passing attack would constitute a massive increase in efficiency for this offence which in turn would potentially limit the possibility of games like last night's happen again

im not saying we need to turn lamar into a gun-slinger but i do think we need to maybe self-evaluate how far this style of offence can take us in the modern nfl
 

cdp

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I think what we're seeing RE: the passing game and our ability to win goes somewhat back to analytics and efficiency

we have the best running game in the league and a well below-average passing game yet in terms of EPA our passing game rates above our running game - we're the only team in the league where the scores are even close enough to consider being a "run-first offence"

what that tells me is that this running game has taken us as far as it can - being a dynamic running attack can only take us so far as an offence - even with our lacklustre passing attack the analytics would probably still tell us we should be passing more than we are

you have to think that any sort of major upgrade to this passing attack would constitute a massive increase in efficiency for this offence which in turn would potentially limit the possibility of games like last night's happen again

im not saying we need to turn lamar into a gun-slinger but i do think we need to maybe self-evaluate how far this style of offence can take us in the modern nfl
Especially when you consider that the game and the rules are in favor of the passing and not the running game.
 

RavensMania

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Lamar looks handcuffed in this offense. It's like we are relying on his ability to draw in defenders to get the run game going and that is it. I expected this offense coming into this year to air the ball out more but to me it doesn't look that much different than last years offense. Defenses are defending better at key times. Those comments earlier in the year about defenses knowing our plays before we run them come to mind. If you don't trust Lamar, who dazzled and came off an MVP season then who will you trust? The defense stacks the box against us and we run Pistol sets with only 2 receivers sometimes 3? Does that make any sense? The cuffs can't magically come off when we are down big. Greg Roman is a master at creating running concepts, absolute total animal at it. We can't just be that however. Lamar ISN'T just a runner.


As for Lamar, he needs to improve on accuracy/finding the open man which he seemed to do well last year. If he is going to be limited like this in terms of what they will allow him to do he needs to at least become even more efficient with some throws. I am not entirely sure why the flats seem to be ignored in this offense when it's there. I am not sold on the idea that he can't throw to the sidelines. The Titans game told me otherwise. A strong focus on mechanics this offseason is a must. Some of the overreactions to a kid whos ONLY 25 with a record of 30-7 is insane to me. 68 passing TD's with 18 ints. I'd say we have something special here, we need to let him be that and stop restricting him AND he needs to do himself the favor and take the next step with his mechanics. I hate when all we do is run sets with 2-3 guys running routes out of the pistol. Passing concepts MUST improve and it starts with what he can control which is his throws.


Defense looked good to me, Diggs got loose which was to be expected. A healthy Tavon Young, which is a stretch, greatly improves this defense next year if everything stays as is. All things considered, they allowed 10 points to the Bills. I can't complain. I could want more but that would be getting greedy.

Dobbins will get better.


Marcos Andres is killing me with his drops and he will continue to be called this until he starts catching balls again in the postseason. I am seeing a trend with him in the postseason I don't like.

Hollywood earned his name again. He looks much better and I think that comes from HOW we are using him now. Passing concepts MUST IMPROVE to take advantage of his skillset. I think he has potential to be great, number 1? Probably not. Great #2? Absolutely.

Considering how bad we looked mid season, it was a miracle we got to this position and let alone won a playoff game. This was an improvement from last year.






DRAFT TIME BOYZ, PITTS SZN
btw, Lamar just turned 24. Agree with everything you said.
 

rossihunter2

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Especially when you consider that the game and the rules are in favor of the passing and not the running game.

it's just where the NFL is and as teams get more analytically competent we're going to see less and less running

look at the bills last night in winds that literally changed the passing game they still came out with almost no runs called the entire game

there are some teams that have got to the point (like the chiefs in some games) where running is just considered a wasted down - if you're running it's because the numbers game is categorically telling you you have to or because you're setting something up offensively or because the other team doesnt stop you (see the chiefs running all over the bills)

if you dont have a functional and effective passing game then you're just philosophically setting yourself up for failure
 
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Militant X 1

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Yep I agree but I don’t put much on the defense. They did their job. This isn’t 2019 vs Titans here. The pass rush could finish but man they can only do so much. Then again, I also feel like there was some legit home cooking with the refs. There were definitely penalties to be called on the Bills but I don’t recall much being called on them except what an offsides?

The defense was balling no doubt. They held the Bills to 3 pts the majority of the 1st half, however, on that 3 wr screen with 2 defenders to guard against it? Easy TD for the Bills to make it 10-3. The pass rush couldn't finish! The Bills O-line constantly pushed our pass rushers in that big "loop" around the QB allowing Josh to run out of that to such a degree, he even fell after a snap and our pass rushers still couldn't get to him. Pathetic G! I'm not laying this hot stinky egg that the Ravens offense laid on their plate but just including them in some aspect.
 

Militant X 1

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If there is one positive, it's Bills Mafia doing what they do best. After Lamar got injured, Bills fans donated to Lamar's favorite charity "Blessings in A Backpack".

This charity gives food to elementary school kids across America on weekends to make sure they don't go Hungry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...t-lamar-jacksons-favorite-charity/ar-BB1cPX3b

Thank You Bills Mafia

Classy but I will NEVER forget the b.s. the Ravens put on the field against the Bills in yet, ANOTHER playoff exit. NEVER! :mad: :brickwall:
 

Truth

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I don't know which brain cell went rogue enough to compare Lamar Jackson to EJ Manuel, but please kill it before it mutates or metastasizes.
 

Grim

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we do have a good QB and he played at a very high level for about half the season and we called the season a slump

we've seen that with a good OL he was the 2nd unanimous MVP in NFL history and with a bad OL he can still win us a ton of games

in terms of drafting i 100% agree you cant reach for need - if the IOL is there then you sprint to submit the pick but if another position is BPA you don't hesitate there either - we've got a really good roster but not sure there's a position on this team that wouldn't welcome a BPA 1st round talented addition to the group
Amen, I think we’re both saying the same thing here. That’s the whole point is that Lamar is good enough to win with our current OL but we don’t need to go crazy and overreact and just immediately spend high picks on it. If a C is there and best player take that man and don’t look back. I’m just cautious because I’ve loved dudes before but they haven’t panned out either. It really is a bit of luck too we’ve seen guys go unstaffed even recently and have huge impacts. Jensen was a 6th round pick who took years to mature into who he is. It just takes time and some patience that’s all.
like what do they have in common except that they play QB?
I think we all know what they have in common and it’s not just that they play QB and could run. Tyrod, Vick, Lamar, Manuel, Young... some people just act like these dudes are all the same guy.
The defense was balling no doubt. They held the Bills to 3 pts the majority of the 1st half, however, on that 3 wr screen with 2 defenders to guard against it? Easy TD for the Bills to make it 10-3. The pass rush couldn't finish! The Bills O-line constantly pushed our pass rushers in that big "loop" around the QB allowing Josh to run out of that to such a degree, he even fell after a snap and our pass rushers still couldn't get to him. Pathetic G! I'm not laying this hot stinky egg that the Ravens offense laid on their plate but just including them in some aspect.
Defense could’ve done better but after yesterday I won’t throw them to the wolves, guys do need to finish but they’re just not why we lost. I don’t understand the miscues though. I thought Clark had the green dot and was a good leader back there. We’ve had issues all year getting guys lined up on defense
 
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