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rmcjacket23

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Notable to look at early salary cap projections for 2021 (though obviously we don't know what the cap number will be)...

The one thing that sticks out to me is basically... the roster is what it is. There's really nobody left to "cut" for decent cap space, and I won't be surprised if there's no extensions coming either. Andrews and Orlando Brown would seem to be the two who would be extension options, but I don't see Brown getting one (I think he walks after 2021) and Andrews may wait another year. I know there's been discussions on Lamar, but I don't see it happening in 2021.

So basically, the Ingram cut is about it. $148.3M roughly right now, so its just a question of how much will the cap be.
 

cdp

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Notable to look at early salary cap projections for 2021 (though obviously we don't know what the cap number will be)...

The one thing that sticks out to me is basically... the roster is what it is. There's really nobody left to "cut" for decent cap space, and I won't be surprised if there's no extensions coming either. Andrews and Orlando Brown would seem to be the two who would be extension options, but I don't see Brown getting one (I think he walks after 2021) and Andrews may wait another year. I know there's been discussions on Lamar, but I don't see it happening in 2021.

So basically, the Ingram cut is about it. $148.3M roughly right now, so its just a question of how much will the cap be.
The League said the cap will be no lower than $175M. Which means our cap room is at least 29.78M according to overthecap. I gave Edwards a 2nd round tender, Chris Board the orginal round tender; 4 ERFA tenders and assumed $5M for the rookies. In the end we have roughly $16M left. Not much to begin with if you consider that McPhee, Judon, Ngakoue, Bowser, Wolfe, Levine, Cox, Ward are all FAs.
 

Grim

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The League said the cap will be no lower than $175M. Which means our cap room is at least 29.78M according to overthecap. I gave Edwards a 2nd round tender, Chris Board the orginal round tender; 4 ERFA tenders and assumed $5M for the rookies. In the end we have roughly $16M left. Not much to begin with if you consider that McPhee, Judon, Ngakoue, Bowser, Wolfe, Levine, Cox, Ward are all FAs.
I think McPhee & Wolfe are guys we target first then try to retain both Bowser and Ngakoue but you have to wind down it it is possible we may let Yannick go as well since his snaps decreased as the season went on. Ngakoue didn’t have a great year so it is possible he takes a one year or two year prove it deal, just depends. Bowser had a better year IMHO. Ngakoue also came in like mid season so there is that at least
 
I think McPhee comes back. I don't know about Wolfe - not sure what his contract is like, but given the cap restrictions I tend to believe the FO will focus on not having to rebuild the entire OLB group. If I were the GM I would be more comfortable losing one DL (even one I value) but keeping at least some of the edge guys. Replace one player in the draft is far more feasible than an entire group. I think we have to retain McPhee and at least one of Bowser, Ngakoue and Judon. Preferably two.
 

rossihunter2

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I think McPhee comes back. I don't know about Wolfe - not sure what his contract is like, but given the cap restrictions I tend to believe the FO will focus on not having to rebuild the entire OLB group. If I were the GM I would be more comfortable losing one DL (even one I value) but keeping at least some of the edge guys. Replace one player in the draft is far more feasible than an entire group. I think we have to retain McPhee and at least one of Bowser, Ngakoue and Judon. Preferably two.

wolfe is being mentioned because he was in talks with the FO about getting re-signed/extended even during the season
 

Militant X 1

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No surprise. I appreciate the heart, energy and excitement that he brought to the team. It gave them a well-needed boost in the 2019 season. Wish him well. Now, let's move on because we have bigger fish to fry to "FIX" this team that has roughly been an offensive embarrassment in their past 3 playoff appearances. I believe that we have nearly close to $27,000.000 in cap space to make a few significant moves? The "Mili-Moves" are:

1. I'd grab a bonafide and legitimate #1 WR in FA. I'm thinking along the lines of one of these cats to take the pressure off Lamar:

a. Allen Robinson (Bears)





b. Chris Godwin (Buccaneers)
c. Will Fuller (Texans)
d. Kenny Golladay (Lions)

2. I'd also consider adding an extra WR to the mix. The more solid and legit weapons for Lamar the better because Snead and Boykins have not been and never was the answer IMO.

3. Interior Linemen - Center.

There are a few other roster moves I'd like to see the Ravens make but that's for another post.
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
No surprise. I appreciate the heart, energy and excitement that he brought to the team. It gave them a well-needed boost in the 2019 season. Wish him well. Now, let's move on because we have bigger fish to fry to "FIX" this team that has roughly been an offensive embarrassment in their past 3 playoff appearances. I believe that we have nearly close to $27,000.000 in cap space to make a few significant moves? The "Mili-Moves" are:

1. I'd grab a bonafide and legitimate #1 WR in FA. I'm thinking along the lines of one of these cats to take the pressure off Lamar:

a. Allen Robinson (Bears)





b. Chris Godwin (Buccaneers)
c. Will Fuller (Texans)
d. Kenny Golladay (Lions)

2. I'd also consider adding an extra WR to the mix. The more solid and legit weapons for Lamar the better because Snead and Boykins have not been and never was the answer IMO.

3. Interior Linemen - Center.

There are a few other roster moves I'd like to see the Ravens make but that's for another post.

Allen Robinson to the Ravens is my next #SIIE. Brother @JAAM , you know the deal.
 

JAAM

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rmcjacket23

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The League said the cap will be no lower than $175M. Which means our cap room is at least 29.78M according to overthecap. I gave Edwards a 2nd round tender, Chris Board the orginal round tender; 4 ERFA tenders and assumed $5M for the rookies. In the end we have roughly $16M left. Not much to begin with if you consider that McPhee, Judon, Ngakoue, Bowser, Wolfe, Levine, Cox, Ward are all FAs.
Exactly. $16M in cap space isn't a lot. Other teams have less, but some teams have more. Ultimately, if people think signing a big time FA receiver, like a Robinson or Godwin (don't think he'll be available) is a priority, it'll take up a large chunk of cap space to do it.

Or, think of it this way... I don't see many scenarios where you can re-sign Judon/Yannick (whoever you choose) and then pull the trigger on somebody like Robinson. That would take up every ounce, or more than every ounce, of salary cap space you have.

I think they'll resign Wolfe, because he's a Ravens-type player, played well, and won't be that expensive. Price tag really shouldn't be any more than it was this past year, which is like $5M.

If we're legitimately going to consider spending in the $10-15M+ range for a WR, I think they'll let pretty much the entire pass rush group go and start with volume in the draft. No Yannick, no Judon. I think us not retaining either is a much likelier outcome than some people realize.

At this point, I think its actually quite hard to justify paying market value for Yannick. The only thing he really has over Judon at this point is age. It's an important distinction, but I'm not sure its enough. One thing that stands out to me... he played, what, 20 snaps against Buffalo? A game where your opponent is a) no threat to run and b) doesn't even try to run, the guy you traded for to create outside pressure while blitzing less plays one of his lowest snap counts of the season. Not good. As others in the media have said, for the price tag he'll want and likely get, he's gotta be at least a 60-70% snap count player, and be a force. You can't pay that price for 20-30 snaps a game.

It will be fascinating to see how the Ravens prioritize things. But I do think Wolfe will be, to some peoples surprise, a top priority. I think a deal with him gets done quickly.

One other thing that I think will be a product of the lower salary cap... it'll be very hard for teams to sign veterans to one year contracts. Typically, in these spots, the Ravens would just sign multiple like McPhee, Wolfe type players to one year, prove-it deals. But with one year contracts, there's no salary cap maneuverability. Whatever the price is, the cap hit is. Like you sign 2-3 veterans at like $4-5M for one year, and suddenly, half your cap space is gone. I think a lot more teams will be looking at multi-year deals with these veterans.
 

Grim

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So everyone agree to not resign yannick?
Exactly. $16M in cap space isn't a lot. Other teams have less, but some teams have more. Ultimately, if people think signing a big time FA receiver, like a Robinson or Godwin (don't think he'll be available) is a priority, it'll take up a large chunk of cap space to do it.

Or, think of it this way... I don't see many scenarios where you can re-sign Judon/Yannick (whoever you choose) and then pull the trigger on somebody like Robinson. That would take up every ounce, or more than every ounce, of salary cap space you have.

I think they'll resign Wolfe, because he's a Ravens-type player, played well, and won't be that expensive. Price tag really shouldn't be any more than it was this past year, which is like $5M.

If we're legitimately going to consider spending in the $10-15M+ range for a WR, I think they'll let pretty much the entire pass rush group go and start with volume in the draft. No Yannick, no Judon. I think us not retaining either is a much likelier outcome than some people realize.

At this point, I think its actually quite hard to justify paying market value for Yannick. The only thing he really has over Judon at this point is age. It's an important distinction, but I'm not sure its enough. One thing that stands out to me... he played, what, 20 snaps against Buffalo? A game where your opponent is a) no threat to run and b) doesn't even try to run, the guy you traded for to create outside pressure while blitzing less plays one of his lowest snap counts of the season. Not good. As others in the media have said, for the price tag he'll want and likely get, he's gotta be at least a 60-70% snap count player, and be a force. You can't pay that price for 20-30 snaps a game.

It will be fascinating to see how the Ravens prioritize things. But I do think Wolfe will be, to some peoples surprise, a top priority. I think a deal with him gets done quickly.

One other thing that I think will be a product of the lower salary cap... it'll be very hard for teams to sign veterans to one year contracts. Typically, in these spots, the Ravens would just sign multiple like McPhee, Wolfe type players to one year, prove-it deals. But with one year contracts, there's no salary cap maneuverability. Whatever the price is, the cap hit is. Like you sign 2-3 veterans at like $4-5M for one year, and suddenly, half your cap space is gone. I think a lot more teams will be looking at multi-year deals with these veterans.
As someone who actually likes Ngakoue I am very much questioning whether we keep him and could definitely see we let him and Judon both go and keep Bowser, McPhee, Ward & draft a dude. I’m not crazy about it but honestly Ngakoue has underwhelmed here because he hasn’t finished and his snaps have gone down.
 

BoredMarine13

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Exactly. $16M in cap space isn't a lot. Other teams have less, but some teams have more. Ultimately, if people think signing a big time FA receiver, like a Robinson or Godwin (don't think he'll be available) is a priority, it'll take up a large chunk of cap space to do it.

Or, think of it this way... I don't see many scenarios where you can re-sign Judon/Yannick (whoever you choose) and then pull the trigger on somebody like Robinson. That would take up every ounce, or more than every ounce, of salary cap space you have.

I think they'll resign Wolfe, because he's a Ravens-type player, played well, and won't be that expensive. Price tag really shouldn't be any more than it was this past year, which is like $5M.

If we're legitimately going to consider spending in the $10-15M+ range for a WR, I think they'll let pretty much the entire pass rush group go and start with volume in the draft. No Yannick, no Judon. I think us not retaining either is a much likelier outcome than some people realize.

At this point, I think its actually quite hard to justify paying market value for Yannick. The only thing he really has over Judon at this point is age. It's an important distinction, but I'm not sure its enough. One thing that stands out to me... he played, what, 20 snaps against Buffalo? A game where your opponent is a) no threat to run and b) doesn't even try to run, the guy you traded for to create outside pressure while blitzing less plays one of his lowest snap counts of the season. Not good. As others in the media have said, for the price tag he'll want and likely get, he's gotta be at least a 60-70% snap count player, and be a force. You can't pay that price for 20-30 snaps a game.

It will be fascinating to see how the Ravens prioritize things. But I do think Wolfe will be, to some peoples surprise, a top priority. I think a deal with him gets done quickly.

One other thing that I think will be a product of the lower salary cap... it'll be very hard for teams to sign veterans to one year contracts. Typically, in these spots, the Ravens would just sign multiple like McPhee, Wolfe type players to one year, prove-it deals. But with one year contracts, there's no salary cap maneuverability. Whatever the price is, the cap hit is. Like you sign 2-3 veterans at like $4-5M for one year, and suddenly, half your cap space is gone. I think a lot more teams will be looking at multi-year deals with these veterans.

Don’t forget the possible extension for Lamar which will undoubtedly be in the 40 million per season range


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BoredMarine13

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I really hope we don’t extend Lamar this offseason. The priority should be investing in the pieces around him. 40+ Million a year for a Qb stuck in this juvenile system doesn’t make sense.


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RavensFan419

Pro Bowler
I really hope we don’t extend Lamar this offseason. The priority should be investing in the pieces around him. 40+ Million a year for a Qb stuck in this juvenile system doesn’t make sense.


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I think investing in Lamar may be what the organization needs to do to actually evolve in a weird way if we invest in him we have to stop holding him back if you give him 30-40mil a year you gotta let him give you everything he has
 

Grim

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Unpopular opinion: Yannick was underrated in his time here.

I think he just didn’t get lucky enough on a lot of pressures that he did really well on
Yannick had some nice pressures and plays but his snaps also decreased. That isn’t a good sign.
 

BoredMarine13

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I’m not saying Lamar isn’t worth the 40 Mil. That seems to be the bottom for a top 15 Qb, which I believe Lamar is. I just truly believe a lot of athletic QBs could successfully run our juvenile offensive system negating the need to pay top dollar.

I’d like to see us move on from Roman and install a legitimate NFL offense to once and for all see if Lamar can hang. So frustrating seeing guys like Baker and Allen evolve into solid signal callers while Lamar is really the same guy. Not sure if that is his fault or the system, but I’d like to find out.


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