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Signings, Cuts, Trades

JoeyFlex5

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Yannick had some nice pressures and plays but his snaps also decreased. That isn’t a good sign.
Yeah that’s fair. Didn’t make sense to me because when you watch him you get the sense that his snaps are lottery tickets, you could send him 100 times in hopes that in one of those snaps he goes and gets you the ball, because goddamn he’s so close to getting the ball so often
 

JoeyFlex5

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I’m not saying Lamar isn’t worth the 40 Mil. That seems to be the bottom for a top 15 Qb, which I believe Lamar is. I just truly believe a lot of athletic QBs could successfully run our juvenile offensive system negating the need to pay top dollar.

I’d like to see us move on from Roman and install a legitimate NFL offense to once and for all see if Lamar can hang. So frustrating seeing guys like Baker and Allen evolve into solid signal callers while Lamar is really the same guy. Not sure if that is his fault or the system, but I’d like to find out.


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Disagree with the first half and agree with the second. Any mobile qb could spearhead the run game, nobody else can make the plays lamar makes in and out of the pocket.

we need an offense that can run the ball with less need for a numbers advantage, so that we can spread out defenses and run a balanced attack from similar looks and personnel groups
 

RavensMania

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Administrator
Notable to look at early salary cap projections for 2021 (though obviously we don't know what the cap number will be)...

The one thing that sticks out to me is basically... the roster is what it is. There's really nobody left to "cut" for decent cap space, and I won't be surprised if there's no extensions coming either. Andrews and Orlando Brown would seem to be the two who would be extension options, but I don't see Brown getting one (I think he walks after 2021) and Andrews may wait another year. I know there's been discussions on Lamar, but I don't see it happening in 2021.

So basically, the Ingram cut is about it. $148.3M roughly right now, so its just a question of how much will the cap be.
Brandon Williams saves 7.5m in cap space if we were to cut him.
 

RavensMania

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Unpopular opinion: Yannick was underrated in his time here.

I think he just didn’t get lucky enough on a lot of pressures that he did really well on
I definitely would like to sign him and Bowser, but I could see scenario where Bowser is the only one signed out of Bowser, Ngakoue and Judon.
 

BoredMarine13

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I definitely would like to sign him and Bowser, but I could see scenario where Bowser is the only one signed out of Bowser, Ngakoue and Judon.

Those 3 combined for just 11 sacks all year. I think there are cheaper ways to replace those numbers without resigning either of the three. Scary but the Ravens should allow another team to over pay and we attack the draft/look for aging veterans on the chopping block


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JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
I definitely would like to sign him and Bowser, but I could see scenario where Bowser is the only one signed out of Bowser, Ngakoue and Judon.
I want bowser, I’m scared of letting judon walk but I think we have to, that fucking guy has continually looked like an absolute liability for half the season, and then the other half he is almost single handedly winning games. So frustrating lol.

This edge class is far from spectacular, I’m not a big fan, but there are a few guys that look the part of a ravens OLB. Patrick Jones, daelin hayes, jaelen phillips, and Joshua Kaindoh are guys I like day 2 and beyond for us. Then there’s azeez ojulari who is probably a first rounder, raw af but goddamn there are some tools there and he has his go-to rush move nailed down and has mastered it and it’s effective.

all in all I think if we re sign bowser, attack edge day 2 and later with 2 picks, and retain McPhee or ward, we should hold up for a year and hope we make another play next offseason.
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
I want bowser, I’m scared of letting judon walk but I think we have to, that fucking guy has continually looked like an absolute liability for half the season, and then the other half he is almost single handedly winning games. So frustrating lol.

This edge class is far from spectacular, I’m not a big fan, but there are a few guys that look the part of a ravens OLB. Patrick Jones, daelin hayes, jaelen phillips, and Joshua Kaindoh are guys I like day 2 and beyond for us. Then there’s azeez ojulari who is probably a first rounder, raw af but goddamn there are some tools there and he has his go-to rush move nailed down and has mastered it and it’s effective.

all in all I think if we re sign bowser, attack edge day 2 and later with 2 picks, and retain McPhee or ward, we should hold up for a year and hope we make another play next offseason.
Let Judon go, he’s going into his first non-rookie contract and he is almost 30 as an OLB.
 

rossihunter2

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Exactly. $16M in cap space isn't a lot. Other teams have less, but some teams have more. Ultimately, if people think signing a big time FA receiver, like a Robinson or Godwin (don't think he'll be available) is a priority, it'll take up a large chunk of cap space to do it.

Or, think of it this way... I don't see many scenarios where you can re-sign Judon/Yannick (whoever you choose) and then pull the trigger on somebody like Robinson. That would take up every ounce, or more than every ounce, of salary cap space you have.

I think they'll resign Wolfe, because he's a Ravens-type player, played well, and won't be that expensive. Price tag really shouldn't be any more than it was this past year, which is like $5M.

If we're legitimately going to consider spending in the $10-15M+ range for a WR, I think they'll let pretty much the entire pass rush group go and start with volume in the draft. No Yannick, no Judon. I think us not retaining either is a much likelier outcome than some people realize.

At this point, I think its actually quite hard to justify paying market value for Yannick. The only thing he really has over Judon at this point is age. It's an important distinction, but I'm not sure its enough. One thing that stands out to me... he played, what, 20 snaps against Buffalo? A game where your opponent is a) no threat to run and b) doesn't even try to run, the guy you traded for to create outside pressure while blitzing less plays one of his lowest snap counts of the season. Not good. As others in the media have said, for the price tag he'll want and likely get, he's gotta be at least a 60-70% snap count player, and be a force. You can't pay that price for 20-30 snaps a game.

It will be fascinating to see how the Ravens prioritize things. But I do think Wolfe will be, to some peoples surprise, a top priority. I think a deal with him gets done quickly.

One other thing that I think will be a product of the lower salary cap... it'll be very hard for teams to sign veterans to one year contracts. Typically, in these spots, the Ravens would just sign multiple like McPhee, Wolfe type players to one year, prove-it deals. But with one year contracts, there's no salary cap maneuverability. Whatever the price is, the cap hit is. Like you sign 2-3 veterans at like $4-5M for one year, and suddenly, half your cap space is gone. I think a lot more teams will be looking at multi-year deals with these veterans.

for what it's worth brian mcfarland has us at 10m not even 16m right now

https://russellstreetreport.com/202...ns-salary-cap/ravens-2021-salary-cap-preview/
 

RavensMania

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Those 3 combined for just 11 sacks all year. I think there are cheaper ways to replace those numbers without resigning either of the three. Scary but the Ravens should allow another team to over pay and we attack the draft/look for aging veterans on the chopping block


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With Bowser it's more about his coverage ability and he's damn good. It would be tough to lose him, especially if we let Judon walk. He would be our SLB. Bowser never was about sacks and Ngakoue had decent pressure when he was with us, plus he came in the middle of the season. We haven't had a pass rusher like Judon in Baltimore since 2014. Suggs still had good years but he was past his prime.
 

rossihunter2

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I want bowser, I’m scared of letting judon walk but I think we have to, that fucking guy has continually looked like an absolute liability for half the season, and then the other half he is almost single handedly winning games. So frustrating lol.

This edge class is far from spectacular, I’m not a big fan, but there are a few guys that look the part of a ravens OLB. Patrick Jones, daelin hayes, jaelen phillips, and Joshua Kaindoh are guys I like day 2 and beyond for us. Then there’s azeez ojulari who is probably a first rounder, raw af but goddamn there are some tools there and he has his go-to rush move nailed down and has mastered it and it’s effective.

all in all I think if we re sign bowser, attack edge day 2 and later with 2 picks, and retain McPhee or ward, we should hold up for a year and hope we make another play next offseason.

it would be very non-ravens to head into the draft with an un-ignorable need which if we just sign bowser we have that issue - means we're potentially leaving talent on the board at other positions of need just to make sure we get an edge rusher

or even worse we dont get one and then our EDGE corps is an absolute liability...

Bowser, McPhee, Ward, Ferguson would be an awful group
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
it would be very non-ravens to head into the draft with an un-ignorable need which if we just sign bowser we have that issue - means we're potentially leaving talent on the board at other positions of need just to make sure we get an edge rusher

or even worse we dont get one and then our EDGE corps is an absolute liability...

Bowser, McPhee, Ward, Ferguson would be an awful group
I agree entirely, unfortunately, what else is there to do lol
 

rossihunter2

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NFL GMs are some creative mfs I swear

there's some risk involved because once you've paid that money then that's dead money on every one of those next cap years - when deals start getting to 11m then you start looking at 2m/yr dead cap and that will start to accumulate

the hope for GMs making these deals is that the NFL gets back to normal and the salary cap starts rising again and then who cares about 1m or 2m in dead cap - especially if you then sign the guy on a long-term deal afterwards...
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
i think you have to find a way to sign 2 of the 3 - i dont care which 2 but i think you've got to do it - you cant leave yourself with that corps going into the draft or you get stuck
Agreed, that's why I think if we re-sign 2 of 3 then it will be Bowser & Ngakoue. Ngakoue is interesting because he didn't have a great year & lost snaps but also came in late too. He could sign a one-year deal or we may give him a longer contract too, just depends. It would be strange to break the bank for him when he didn't do a ton, but maybe it's because we know he came in late to our defense. Kinda risky either way you slice it but that's the hand we got. I would go for Ngakoue before Judon due to age alone--I think Judon has a major red flag there and I like him but he has boneheaded plays seemingly every year--like Jernigan-lite.

Bowser seems like a no brainer, but McPhee & Ward are great rotational pieces that should remain that. I think expecting either to be every down players is a mistake, hence why I agree that we need to keep 2 of 3 with Ferguson.
 
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