The 2021 Offseason Thread

rossihunter2 said:

he also specifically brought up the passing game when asked about the area that most needed improvement this offseason (and mentioned screens)

my guess is if someone maybe phrased the question a bit better they might have got a better (and less defensive) answer

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I agree with this. Harbaugh will never be the guy to criticize or fire a coach publicly. The question is, since HE realizes and concedes that it's a problem, will he either hire additional coaches to address Roman's shortcomings or will the organization decide that supplementation to Roman is not the answer and move on to a more complete OC.

I don't have a problem with the supplementation idea, but Roman might. And that would be fine, he is free to go if he feels he's being supplanted in a some way. My only concern is continuity. Too many hands in the cookie jar and too many egos in the room could be a huge problem.

If a bold move is made to lock Lamar up, a similarly BOLD move needs to be made to pair him with the best possible OC; a guy who will accentuate Lamar's special skill set while also developing the players around him and being a voice in acquiring players who can help the system. But to sign Lamar and be wishy-washy in OC's like the team was for the seasons after the SB with Joe Flacco, Lamar is doomed to that same kind of demise, I believe.

rossihunter2 said:

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Hopefully it works out where we can take some chances in the 1st and 2nd round.

drjohnnyfever said:

I agree with this. Harbaugh will never be the guy to criticize or fire a coach publicly. The question is, since HE realizes and concedes that it's a problem, will he either hire additional coaches to address Roman's shortcomings or will the organization decide that supplementation to Roman is not the answer and move on to a more complete OC.

I don't have a problem with the supplementation idea, but Roman might. And that would be fine, he is free to go if he feels he's being supplanted in a some way. My only concern is continuity. Too many hands in the cookie jar and too many egos in the room could be a huge problem.

If a bold move is made to lock Lamar up, a similarly BOLD move needs to be made to pair him with the best possible OC; a guy who will accentuate Lamar's special skill set while also developing the players around him and being a voice in acquiring players who can help the system. But to sign Lamar and be wishy-washy in OC's like the team was for the seasons after the SB with Joe Flacco, Lamar is doomed to that same kind of demise, I believe.

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tbf this is sort of what we did with Marty Mornhinweg - we shuffled guys around and gave him the opportunity to stick around or leave - but that was specifically about moving on from him at OC for Roman who was already on staff

from the sounds of it though we're not going with either of these options - i think harbs and the leadership believe that Roman can fix this - my guess is that this offseason's mission is to fix the passing game (just like last offseason's mission was to fix the run defence)

rossihunter2 said:

i get that - and honestly i dont know if he can either - but i dont think there's anything stopping him from being able to do it - the organisational mission statement needs to be about how we can get this passing game to high levels of efficiency

if they've already decided to pay lamar (which it sounds like they have) then we've got time to see if this can work (i dont like potentially wasting a year but no point blowing it up right now if you know Lamar's going to be here for at least 5 more years)

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Hopefully they can figure something out, and maybe look carefully at the public criticisms behind doors.

I still dream of Lamar lighting teams up with his arm and legs.

SepticeyePoe said:

Hopefully it works out where we can take some chances in the 1st and 2nd round.

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i want us to get to a place (with EDGE especially) this offseason where we're not hamstrung by need and can add some quality pieces at whatever position they happen to be

its particularly important given that we've only got 2 picks in the first 2 days of this draft vs the 6 we had in 2020

if that's OL then great, if that's WR then great, if that's EDGE then great - i think WR is going to be the hardest to fully flesh out before the draft but more and more these WR draft classes are giving early returns so it's less of an issue at that position (as long as you actually draft one lol)

rossihunter2 said:

i want us to get to a place (with EDGE especially) this offseason where we're not hamstrung by need and can add some quality pieces at whatever position they happen to be

its particularly important given that we've only got 2 picks in the first 2 days of this draft vs the 6 we had in 2020

if that's OL then great, if that's WR then great, if that's EDGE then great - i think WR is going to be the hardest to fully flesh out before the draft but more and more these WR draft classes are giving early returns so it's less of an issue at that position (as long as you actually draft one lol)

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Yeah I don't want to force it, but I'd love to add a 1st round talent to the inside of the line

SepticeyePoe said:

Hopefully they can figure something out, and maybe look carefully at the public criticisms behind doors.

I still dream of Lamar lighting teams up with his arm and legs.

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when they revamped the entire offence (and as it turned out revolutionised the running game) they consulted with all sorts of interesting people from the NFL to college to high school to create the masterpiece of running that we now operate

i don't see why they can't do the same with the passing game - they just have to find different people to talk to

obviously they wont be able to contact lamar about football stuff but i hope they've talked to him about what he thinks the offence should/can look like in the passing game

rossihunter2 said:

@Grim - this is very much what you said about ngakoue

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Nice! I like Ngakoue, would love to see him back. Good to hear that the numbers didn't mean much.

rossihunter2 said:

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Glad to hear we're going to make a push to improve there. It sounds like we know we have a problem and know where. Sounds like we may be getting a C/G who can play either & letting the guys battle it out between Bozeman, Powers, Phillips, Mekari, TCC. I like it.

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I think this will be a huge boon to the offense. Boyle is underrated, Stanley is huge, and Young was massive & could've helped in big ways vs. some of those teams who beat us.

rossihunter2 said:

tbf this is sort of what we did with Marty Mornhinweg - we shuffled guys around and gave him the opportunity to stick around or leave - but that was specifically about moving on from him at OC for Roman who was already on staff

from the sounds of it though we're not going with either of these options - i think harbs and the leadership believe that Roman can fix this - my guess is that this offseason's mission is to fix the passing game (just like last offseason's mission was to fix the run defence)

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I think it makes sense. I don't like what I have seen from Roman, but I understand why we would keep him. I think either Roman loses some calls to someone else who calls the passing plays or something else happens. Perhaps Culley either leaves & we replace him with someone better (maybe the passing schemes are on Culley too) or maybe we give Culley more control to call passing plays.

Grim said:

Nice! I like Ngakoue, would love to see him back. Good to hear that the numbers didn't mean much.





I think it makes sense. I don't like what I have seen from Roman, but I understand why we would keep him. I think either Roman loses some calls to someone else who calls the passing plays or something else happens. Perhaps Culley either leaves & we replace him with someone better (maybe the passing schemes are on Culley too) or maybe we give Culley more control to call passing plays.

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maybe partly we have a comfort level with culley too that if it all went to shit (as long as the install is fine in the offseason) that culley could take over if we needed to do something drastic mid-season like with cam cameron to jim caldwell and marc trestmann to marty mornhinweg

i know people dont like to see us run it back with the same group but i guess i just see what they did with the running game - potentially turning it into maybe the best running game in NFL history and dont see why they cant develop the passing game if that's their given focus

maybe im wrong and ill be happy to admit that but if lamar's here long-term i dont see the issue with giving roman this offseason/season

Dez back at it again

Last year we were all praying Roman would stay now we all want him gone... I'm one who has said he needs to go but it's true we can't just fire the man we have built the greatest running game of all time it's not like Roman doesn't know football you'd have to imagine this offense evolves but why get rid of one of the instrumental pieces of creating this running offense we need to keep the running game and build on the passing game I just really hope we do

Sandtown said:

Not sure what you expect John Harbaugh to say. He's not going to talk bad about his coordinators or coaches on his staff.

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I expected Harbaugh to say something like this: "Yeah we've watched/heard what the media said. It's always good to get some feedback in whether you like it or not. I'll absolutely look into hiring an extra guy if he can help us". Remember this wasn't Colin, Skip or Stephen A. this were legitimate analysts and player who know the game and were at the top at some point during their respective career. No need to shut it down as quick as he did. Why does Harbaugh categorically eliminate the possibility to hire someone new? I didn't expect Harbaugh to announce any move at all.

With that being said our issues on offense are not just because of Roman/his scheme or his playcalling. It starts with WRs who don't run/execute the routes the right way or understand the concept their running. What they're supposed to do when facing man or zone. Or they don't run routes with enough or too much depth. Idk what Culley teaches them or if they just can't execute. Hollywood did this thing and played like a soulja, but the rest...
Then Lamar not reading what the defense does or ignoring his checkdowns. This is on Roman and Lamar. Sometimes it's just better to get 4 yards than a sack. Lamar had to make a play off-script way too often.
Running backs: what's the point of staying in protection if there's nobody to block. Get out and try to be a checkdown option for Lamar. It's okay to misread what the defense does on occasion, but this happened multiple times every game.
Roman has to stop running these highschool plays. You're not fooling anybody this late into the season. Some concepts are just atrocious and some are actually great. Lamar didn't execute a couple of plays that we're great calls, but don't look good on TV because Lamar took a sack or threw to the wrong guy.
Last but not least: Boykin is a great blocker for a WR. But he looks lost at times running routes and understanding what the defense does.

I also want to note when asked about needing to "recruit" WR to come and play here because they may get less targets I loved John's answer this isn't college football he doesn't need to recruit if you want to come play for a winning organization and win football games and be apart of a team you will come play here if not not we don't want you and we look forward to lining up against you I was like damn okay John

Deebo813 said:

Dez back at it again

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What happened? I don't have insta.

RavensFan419 said:

I also want to note when asked about needing to "recruit" WR to come and play here because they may get less targets I loved John's answer this isn't college football he doesn't need to recruit if you want to come play for a winning organization and win football games and be apart of a team you will come play here if not not we don't want you and we look forward to lining up against you I was like damn okay John

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That kinda shit is why no matter what I say about harbaugh in the heat of the moment, I still rock with him.

cdp said:

What happened? I don't have insta.

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Posting more plays on Instagram . This time him burning Humphrey and peters for TDs . He heard you guys saying he was only beating scrubs lol


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BoredMarine13 said:

Posting more plays on Instagram . This time him burning Humphrey and peters for TDs . He heard you guys saying he was only beating scrubs lol


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Correction just Humphries. But it’s
7v7 drills... a lot of guys look like all stars. Not sure what he is trying to
prove other than he can still whine with the best of them


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