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rmcjacket23

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As tough as the playoff loss was the positive out of all this is we got DeCosta. The guy isn’t a moron he sees all the holes the team has and understands the window for success. I have full confidence he will work some magic to get some good players in.

I think bringing in a new offensive coordinator will help his case convincing offensive talents to come to Baltimore. Otherwise it’s up to the almighty dollar to convince guys and that’s something we lack


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1. Nobody is going to come here for an offensive coordinator. I don't care who it is. If they're coming to Baltimore, its because a) they like the culture/want to win and b) whatever they're getting paid is pretty close to what the market value is.
2. As I addressed earlier... I don't see many math equations that involve us making a "splash" WR signing in FA in 2021, while also retaining one of the two "top" edge rushers who are UFAs (Judon or Yannick). I just flat out don't see it happening.

So the "big time" receiver who is joining the Ravens in 2021 is either coming from the draft, not coming at all, or coming at the expense of pretty much your entire pass rush group.

2022 or 2023.... we'll see.
 

rmcjacket23

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its 2021 and somehow we have the most expensive defense in the league and the second cheapest offense in the league. I agree with Harbaugh that offensive line is a major priority this offseason. If we want to run the ball like we need good to elite interior o line play. I remember stating this in the offseason, but people thought Yanda was going to be easily replaced. I wouldn't be surprised if we double dip on the interior like we did in 2007.
Pretty easy to do actually... your entire offense is basically on rookie contracts.

Lamar, Andrews, Hollywood, pretty much the entire Oline (Stanley just signed his extension this year), Dobbins, Edwards. That's your QB, your entire Oline, your two best pass catchers, and your top 2 RBs... all on cheap or rookie contracts. That doesn't happen very often.

In 2-3 years, it'll be entirely flipped. Stanley has a huge contract. Lamar will have one. Either Andrews or Brown will get one (possibly both, but I doubt it), and you'll have decisions on the Oline with guys like Bozeman, who I think have earned decent money.

Meanwhile, two years from now, on defense, its basically Marlon and maybe Peters as expensive players. Campbell and Williams will be gone, you won't have a single linebacker on the roster making more than like Queen makes, your safeties will still be relatively cheap.

We will be flipping the script soon. We will be draft heavy on defense by the time we hit 2022-2023, and the offense will have a lot more of the spend and will get a lot less of the draft resources because of it.
 

rossihunter2

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Getting paid nearly 17 million a year will finishing T41st in sacks. Everyone brings up Qb hits and pressures but even those numbers are not overly impressive.

I’d love to keep Judon but the Ravens would be fools to invest in him again at that number. Judon has no reason to take a pay cut as some team will over pay so it’s highly unlikely he is back


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Right but numbers without context are useless - he doesn’t have major stats this year because he rushes a lot less than the rest of the league at his position because he’s dropped into coverage so much

the last 2 years he’s been close to the top of the league in pass rush win-rate which adjusts for snaps

no one hoards sacks in this defence because of the way the scheme works - it’s predicated on deception and the idea that it doesn’t matter how good an edge rusher is, they’ll never be faster than a DB coming free on a blitz or anyone coming free but the other side of that is that it means lots of different guys get sacks and guys at the LoS drop more than they would in other teams
 

rossihunter2

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we really had yannick, campbell, judon and mcphee yet we couldnt generate any pressure at all on allen.. im all for signing important guys but we will not see any difference if we dnt make changes.

I mean we did get pressure on Allen - we even got a few sacks and a fumble

he just dealt with the pressure well by rolling or by shrugging it off and making a play (even if that was throwing the ball away)
 

rossihunter2

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1. Nobody is going to come here for an offensive coordinator. I don't care who it is. If they're coming to Baltimore, its because a) they like the culture/want to win and b) whatever they're getting paid is pretty close to what the market value is.
2. As I addressed earlier... I don't see many math equations that involve us making a "splash" WR signing in FA in 2021, while also retaining one of the two "top" edge rushers who are UFAs (Judon or Yannick). I just flat out don't see it happening.

So the "big time" receiver who is joining the Ravens in 2021 is either coming from the draft, not coming at all, or coming at the expense of pretty much your entire pass rush group.

2022 or 2023.... we'll see.

100% agreed on this
I know it’s what people want but I just don’t think our WR help (if we bring in any) is coming from free agency - certainly not the top guys

I think we rarely want to hamstring ourselves going into the draft and I’m pretty sure they’d feel far more comfortable looking at this draft class (and the way recent draft classes have panned our) and be looking for a receiver vs an edge rusher

I think if we’re paying a WR we’re creating new holes at EDGE whereas if we’re paying EDGE it’s not making WR worse than it is right now (which is pretty awful but no guarantee a free agent is going to be a bit either)
 

ndub

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Everyone here, deep down, absolutely knows where the money will be going. They’ll pay premium on defense and bring a WAY past his prime AJ Green in on a vet min contract, maybe just maybe bring in a late round “gem” who never pans out at WR. We’ve seen this show a billion times folks. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it (except is very broke)
 

Deebo813

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I mean we did get pressure on Allen - we even got a few sacks and a fumble

he just dealt with the pressure well by rolling or by shrugging it off and making a play (even if that was throwing the ball away)
We got pressure when we sent a blitz though. Other than that, he was comfortable. I mean the game plan worked fine... i just expected more out of our 4 man rushes
 

JoeyFlex5

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We got pressure when we sent a blitz though. Other than that, he was comfortable. I mean the game plan worked fine... i just expected more out of our 4 man rushes
I haven’t watched any film but is there any chance that there were some contain assignments? Josh Allen has been deadly with his legs for 2 years now, second only to Lamar as far as a qb run threat goes
 

Deebo813

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Everyone here, deep down, absolutely knows where the money will be going. They’ll pay premium on defense and bring a WAY past his prime AJ Green in on a vet min contract, maybe just maybe bring in a late round “gem” who never pans out at WR. We’ve seen this show a billion times folks. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it (except is very broke)
We did same thing with boldon and steve smith but it actually worked out
 

Deebo813

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I haven’t watched any film but is there any chance that there were some contain assignments? Josh Allen has been deadly with his legs for 2 years now, second only to Lamar as far as a qb run threat goes
You actually could be right.. i only remember from the game. Havent watched anything yet
 

Willbacker

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Everyone here, deep down, absolutely knows where the money will be going. They’ll pay premium on defense and bring a WAY past his prime AJ Green in on a vet min contract, maybe just maybe bring in a late round “gem” who never pans out at WR. We’ve seen this show a billion times folks. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it (except is very broke)

Haven't had a chance to really look at potential FA's but resigning 2 to 3 of our OLB's is a must since the draft is not deep on passrush help this year but pretty strong on oline and WR so I can see a #1 being used in this area and looking for a cut or cheaper fa at WR.
 

JoeyFlex5

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You actually could be right.. i only remember from the game. Havent watched anything yet
I recall yannick doing his usual, swiping at the ball from behind the pocket and getting within inches of a sack fumble, other than that there was zero pressure
 

JoeyFlex5

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We did same thing with boldon and steve smith but it actually worked out
Those guys were still playing well, green is not, at all. Steve was injured, boldin was a cap casualty with fitz getting the mega deal, aj green has proven a poor attitude and his ability seems to be almost completely gone.

what I saw from green this year is not a player I want us to go after
 

rossihunter2

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I recall yannick doing his usual, swiping at the ball from behind the pocket and getting within inches of a sack fumble, other than that there was zero pressure

didnt judon get an actual sack fumble or did i get that wrong? and mcphee had a sack as well
bowser had a pressure on the madubuike RTP and i think he had another where allen maybe shrugged him off, obviously ngakoue got close a couple of times

think judon had a couple of pressures that flushed allen out of the pocket too

i think we got a decent amount of pressure - i just dont know that the pressure turned into many positive events - in lots of instances allen was able to roll out or avoid the pressure and either throw it away or find someone downfield
 

JoeyFlex5

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didnt judon get an actual sack fumble or did i get that wrong? and mcphee had a sack as well
bowser had a pressure on the madubuike RTP and i think he had another where allen maybe shrugged him off, obviously ngakoue got close a couple of times

think judon had a couple of pressures that flushed allen out of the pocket too

i think we got a decent amount of pressure - i just dont know that the pressure turned into many positive events - in lots of instances allen was able to roll out or avoid the pressure and either throw it away or find someone downfield
Yeah I remember a number of ineffective pressures, not specifically though, but mostly I remember a lot of Allen having all the time in the world to throw. Tbh I was high off my ass and barely paying attention, it was a depressing ass game lol
 

rossihunter2

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Yeah I remember a number of ineffective pressures, not specifically though, but mostly I remember a lot of Allen having all the time in the world to throw. Tbh I was high off my ass and barely paying attention, it was a depressing ass game lol

ill preface this by saying i havent actually gone back and watched but from what i remember, allen was just really good at moving in the pocket (and sometimes rolling out of the pocket too) to negate the pressure

but it's hard to criticise the defence and the pass rush when they only gave up 10 points (16 if you want to give the bills those 2 fgs) which is a pretty awesome performance
 

Grim

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Everyone here, deep down, absolutely knows where the money will be going. They’ll pay premium on defense and bring a WAY past his prime AJ Green in on a vet min contract, maybe just maybe bring in a late round “gem” who never pans out at WR. We’ve seen this show a billion times folks. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it (except is very broke)
So I think getting a vet WR is what we need. If we can find a Boldin or Smith Sr or Mason that is the guy we need and by that I mean those guys at that price too. Those guys came late in their careers but they were still effective and so came at a reduced rate.
We did same thing with boldon and steve smith but it actually worked out
My thoughts exactly; if we could get a guy like them that would be fantastic and ideal, then you draft a guy to also provide quality depth.
Haven't had a chance to really look at potential FA's but resigning 2 to 3 of our OLB's is a must since the draft is not deep on passrush help this year but pretty strong on oline and WR so I can see a #1 being used in this area and looking for a cut or cheaper fa at WR.
I agree here—we cannot go into the draft without keeping Judon/Ngakoue and Bowser.
I recall yannick doing his usual, swiping at the ball from behind the pocket and getting within inches of a sack fumble, other than that there was zero pressure
Ngakoue comes a close a lot...I feel like he’s gotten closer than any other dude we have here.
 

rmcjacket23

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Everyone here, deep down, absolutely knows where the money will be going. They’ll pay premium on defense and bring a WAY past his prime AJ Green in on a vet min contract, maybe just maybe bring in a late round “gem” who never pans out at WR. We’ve seen this show a billion times folks. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it (except is very broke)
I mean, while I agree that's the most likely outcome, I'm also pretty sure its close to the only possible outcome.

Like for me, its pretty simple... do you value a guy like Allen Robinson over having, well, pretty much any semblance of a pass rush at all?

If you think we blitz a lot now... see what our blitz rate looks like with no Judon or Yannick on the field.
 

JoeyFlex5

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So I think getting a vet WR is what we need. If we can find a Boldin or Smith Sr or Mason that is the guy we need and by that I mean those guys at that price too. Those guys came late in their careers but they were still effective and so came at a reduced rate.

My thoughts exactly; if we could get a guy like them that would be fantastic and ideal, then you draft a guy to also provide quality depth.

I agree here—we cannot go into the draft without keeping Judon/Ngakoue and Bowser.

Ngakoue comes a close a lot...I feel like he’s gotten closer than any other dude we have here.
Yes, he gets so much flack for not racking up sacks but he is getting pressure and he’s so close to sack fumbles so frequently, and our defense by nature hurts his ability to convert pressures to sacks, we spook qbs and make them throw early, routes are designed to be identified as the hot read and then hit quickly.
 

JoeyFlex5

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ill preface this by saying i havent actually gone back and watched but from what i remember, allen was just really good at moving in the pocket (and sometimes rolling out of the pocket too) to negate the pressure

but it's hard to criticise the defence and the pass rush when they only gave up 10 points (16 if you want to give the bills those 2 fgs) which is a pretty awesome performance
Yeah I didn’t like the often lack of pressure, but I thought the defense was nothing shy of elite that night, they did their job, above and beyond a winning effort, the offense didn’t hold up their end plain and simple
 
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