Yea but he always swipes. We see it the most when its not successful so basically when the sack is outta the picture. The move is great and Im not saying that he shouldnt be doing it but to me its just one of those things that looks good. I mean he only played 20 snaps vs a team that literally passed every down
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I wouldn't say that's 100% Ngakoue's fault. They got to the line fast quite often, limiting opportunities for substitutions. One of the drawbacks of our D and the heavy rotations we use.
it's the same reason brandon williams played like more snaps than ngakoue despite the bills hardly ever running the ball
Understandable but i doubt thats the reason why. I mean those guys dont run the ball at all therefore judon( who was) and yannick is suppose to be out there every down. There were plenty of dead balls also. I mean whatever game planned we had worked so im not mad but i just dnt know if paying a guy who only got 20 snaps is worth it
Williams had the middle clogged up.. he kept it occupied which was surprising. I just think maybe it was the game plan?
im pretty sure he just got stuck on the field because the bills kept him on the field - he led the DL in snaps - he out-snapped Calais, Wolfe and Madubuike despite the pass-heavy game-plan - he also out-snapped McPhee who often takes interior snaps vs the pass too
that's not by the ravens choice
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I mean that's possible, but like, if that's the case, why aren't you adjusting for that after the first drive or two? Like when the Bills don't run the ball for like the first 20 plays, why are you sending Williams out there in what basically had to be either a dime or nickel look on the first play of the first drive to begin with?
I mean just looking at the groupings from film study, we ran Nickel or Dime on 44 of 51 defensive snaps. So like it was extremely rare for us to have more than two Dlineman on the field at any given time. I understand the lack of rotation is possible, given the up-tempo nature of their offense, but its not like they were catching us in a base 3-4 personnel. We pretty much came off the sidelines on play 1 of any drive with 5 or 6 DBs.
As I look at the breakdown across groupings, the Dline was relatively "balanced" in terms of snaps. Williams 34, Wolfe 30, Campbell 30, Madubuike 24. So knowing that we very rarely played a 3 Dlineman set, it appears they didn't have too much trouble rotating out these guys.
Yet if you go to the linebacker side, we know Queen played a ton (49), Judon played a lot (40), but then you got a guy like McPhee playing 13 more snaps than Yannick, and even LJ Fort, who is typically a liability in pass coverage (though he did have one of his best games as a Raven), played 25 snaps.
So it looks to me like they didn't have much of a problem rotating defensive lineman, OR, if they were, then they were playing whole drives collectively, because that's about as balanced a Dline spread as you're going to find in a base 3-4 team that's playing mostly Nickel/Dime.
Its the linebacker distribution that wouldn't seem to make as much sense, given the opponent.
Ultimately this is mostly just postseason fodder for us to discuss who we're going to keep, because obviously, I have a hard time finding much fault with how Wink attacked this game, given his defense gave up 10 offensive points, one TD, and only one drive over 40 yards the whole game.
"The Ravens' receiving group, including the tight ends and whoever else releases for a pass, has a big problem beating man coverage. Against single coverage, the team earned a 67.7 receiving grade during the 2020 regular season — last in the league. Over the past three regular seasons, Baltimore again ranks dead last."
WOOF.
WOOF.
So 2 things here...
1. I think that is absolutely a valid concern. They showed no desire to run the ball and we still had that "run game" personnel out there quite a bit.
2. In regards to the DL, they did a lot of "pairings" for lack of a better term in this game. Say, Williams and Campbell were paired together for a drive, and then the next drive, Wolfe and Madubuike came in. Ended up being balanced but Williams was absolutely caught on the field more than he should have been because the sub opportunities weren't there.
It's absolutely the reason why. Yannick isn't a "drive starter" here. He comes in on the obvious passing down. When Judon and (insert OLB here) are starting the drive like usual and the sub opportunities aren't there, Yannick sits on the sideline.
If you want to complain that we kept running out a better run defense against a team that showed no desire to run the ball, I think that's absolutely valid. But Yannick was definitely a victim of a hurry up offense in this game in particular.
that would be balanced in a normal game or run heavy game but brandon williams is the worst pass rusher of the 4 yet spent more time on the field than any of them
that's not particularly balanced...
do we have the grades for individual guys - my sense is that the only WR who beats anyone in man coverage at any notable rate is hollywood
this'll be why we let tramon go then lol - let him go back home to see if he can win a superbowl with the team he spent almost his entire career on
Awesome move on both sides. Good opportunity for a long time, respected member of that team to potentially get a ring.
a 2nd ring lol - he was there in 2010 when they won too
because they said they want to get more efficient in the passing game - harbs emphasised the OL but you have to think that if they want to be more efficient then that means becoming more explosive which would require either a dramatic scheme change regarding our passing game (which is possible but unlikely given we're not going to be getting rid of the running game and starting over there) or it's going to require better weapons
that being said i dont think we'll really be in play for a "big name" wr - at least not in free agency - we havent got the cap room to do that and not have our edge room fall apart - i really hope we take another shot on a high round receiver in the draft
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Right, but I guess from my POV, I don't see this being an issue with inability to substitute. You can easily substitute after incompletions in most cases, and Allen had quite a few of those, especially early.
I think its basically what Wink wanted. None of those four are really game-wrecker pass rushers anymore, including Campbell. He's taking the "fresher is better" approach with his lineman in this game, it looked like.
That's why I think Williams being on the field more and Yannick not are sort of unrelated. He found a way to get like 33 snaps out of McPhee, who clearly isn't on Yannick's level as a rusher. He found a way to get a grouping rotation of Dlineman, and he found a way to get 25 snaps out of Fort, who probably had the worst "matchup" in terms of skill sets of anybody who played defense that game (and still played well).
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That's what I expected. Scheme and execution at an all-time low.
Which grades are you referring to? Pure receiving grade from pff?
There unfortunately aren't. I saw it on an article and figured it deserved a mention. I would also be inclined to believe that of our WRs, it'd be Brown and everyone else.