Shit bateman is already my guy lol.. ive seen enough already.
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The 2021 Offseason Thread
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Although that was really bad and stalled a few drives during the playoffs, Mekari didn't have any issues snapping the ball and was an above average center once he took over for Skura.
JoeyFlex5
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Like the weaver hire, not so hot on the rob Ryan hire, we’ll see how it plays out lol
haha love this hire - if nothing else his expressions on the sideline will be fun lol
these are good hires for those positional roles - Weaver as a former ravens here makes a ton of sense (probably notable to mention that he's been hired as the DL coach AND run defence coordinator) - worth noting also that while he's not worked as a ravens coach before, he did start his NFL coaching career with Rex Ryan and the Jets
we love to promote internally but i guess sterling lucas wasn't deemed ready yet and we didnt have anyone to step into the LB coach role at all it seems
and Rob Ryan is a great hire - he and Wink have very similar philosophies on defence - probably worth noting that Wink's first NFL job came with Rob Ryan at DC for the Raiders (2004-2008) - but Ryan especially since he was coordinator for the Saints in 2013 has been a big proponent of nickel and dime with lots of different personnel combinations up front and loves crowding the LoS then dropping guys from the LoS including defensive linemen - and he loves blitzing too
that sounds a lot like Wink to me lol
that feels like a really good fit here lol
BoredMarine13
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"I can't believe that there's another system that overall is going to be better for him at this point in his career," Warner said on Glenn Clark Radio. "
Obviously just one mans opinion but it’s clear Kurt Warner seems to think this is less about Roman and more on Lamar’s lack of abilities in the passing game. This opinion is overly simplified as our Pieces around Lamar are terrible. But, If this is the best we get from our QB it’s highly disappointing to say they least. Hopefully Warner is wrong and Jackson will mature into a better passer.
I still believe a change in coordinator is required to once and for all find out if Lamar is the quality QB he says he is.
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Obviously just one mans opinion but it’s clear Kurt Warner seems to think this is less about Roman and more on Lamar’s lack of abilities in the passing game. This opinion is overly simplified as our Pieces around Lamar are terrible. But, If this is the best we get from our QB it’s highly disappointing to say they least. Hopefully Warner is wrong and Jackson will mature into a better passer.
I still believe a change in coordinator is required to once and for all find out if Lamar is the quality QB he says he is.
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rmcjacket23
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I don't. I think having a receiving core that actually involves competent receivers, and an upgrade offensive line, is the minimum, before we even consider coaching changes.
If you don't upgrade the personnel, Bill Walsh wouldn't make this passing attack exponentially better.
JoeyFlex5
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This is true, but Greg Roman HAS to evolve his passing designs and expand his personnel use.
cdp
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Honest question: What makes you believe he'll pull it off? He hasn't done it yet neither in Buffalo or San Francisco.
JoeyFlex5
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I don’t. To me it’s a broken record at this point.
that said, after calming down a minute, it makes sense. The ravens in 2 years have built the greatest rushing attack of all time, and when it’s all said and done I think they will say the ravens had a rushing attack so great it will never be matched again, Greg Roman built that, and he built it around our dual threat qb. You don’t just get rid of that, you work with it and build on it as much as possible, experiment and let Roman, harbs, urban, and Culley cook something up, and implement it with full faith that your qb can pull it off. But the gameplan will always revolve around our rushing attack, you just can’t change that up so soon.
if you really think about it, the ravens are looking at potentially becoming the most unique nfl team ever, to compete in this day and age with this type of offense for more than 1-2 years is insane, we have the foundation to do it for a fairly long time. Can’t really blame harbaugh or Eric for wanting to stay the course and see this thing through, they feel like they’re on the cusp of something “different”
cdp
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Texans are still in play - although everything is possible with them.
I believe Bieniemy has become a victim of his own success. Coaches are less likely to be hired the longer their team remains in the playoff race. Teams want certainty and rather than looking to hire their #1 candidate they opt for the 2nd or 3rd best choice because they fear they might end up with the 5th best option if their 1st choice rejected their offer ultimately.
I've also seen Allbright's reasons on twitter and he is convinced it's because Bienemy's history...
i think this is the thing - especially if they're committed to lamar long-term (and it seems they've already made that organisational decision at this point) then why not give Roman the chance to fail
the only thing we lose is a year of cheaper Lamar but ultimately the chance to build something great on offence has to trump that potential fear - people point to his offences getting stale by year 2 but other than the 49ers (where he had Kaepernick) he's never actually gotten the opportunity to try and evolve the offence in year 3 to adjust
why not see if he can do it
and if he can't then you move on
in 2019 with a full offseason he created the best running game in the history of the NFL
in 2020 the offseason was a stilted mess
let's see if he can't go away this 2021 offseason and build something in his mad-scientist lab to improve this passing game
cdp
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You've seen/listened to Ross Tucker's podcast with Greg Cosell. He said something similar. Although I remember Cosell being one of lamar's supporters pre-draft
ive seen allbright's reasons and talked about them last year when he mentioned them then too (like he does whenever bieniemy is brought up in conversation - he is the only member of the media who EVER mentions them and he does it every single cycle)
some of the issues go back 20+ years and in many ways when you read the reports, he seemed to be a victim of serious discrimination that caused him to react
the biggest issue seems to relate to his time at colorado where there was a massive sexual abuse scandal (that pre-dated his time there and he had only just joined as an assistant) - but vance joseph was neck-deep in that and has since been a head coach with no issues related to that time
every excuse people make about bieniemy not being hired - you can look at other coaches who were hired without a thought...
not a playcaller... see the colts OC nick sirianni (who? lol) this go-around... or literally any other Reid-tree former OC - look at Matt Nagy and Doug Pederson (who won a superbowl)
and all this background stuff is well over a decade old - no one thought the lions shouldn't hire matt patricia who was accused of rape - the NFL has repeatedly shown it doesn't care about sexual assault or rape (none of which Eric Bieniemy's actually even been accused of - just being around a college program that had a cover-up - not that I'm excusing that but if Vance Joseph can get a job having been accused of actually sexually assaulting 2 female trainers while at colorado there's no reason why Bieniemy as an only recently hired assistant with no actual involvement shouldnt be...)
to put in context all the other serious "legal issues" - other than a DUI in 2001 all his other legal issues go back to his days as a college athlete (and NFL player) the most recent was in 1993... nearly 30 years ago
BoredMarine13
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No doubt. The most frustrating aspect about all this is the fact we’re running out of time(key players on rookie contracts). If we upgrade the players but realize it’s the scheme or vice versa it maybe to late to properly adjust this team before paying out some massive contacts.
Need to upgrades in scheme or players very soon or it will be another 9-10 win seasons and early exit.
Side note : complaining about a possible 10 win season seems so wrong, but the gap between ourselves and elite teams is growing. I don’t believe we can run our way to a super bowl victory unless the 2000 defense comes out of retirement.
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BoredMarine13
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Bienemy has some great talent around him and it’s hard to blame teams for being skeptical.
Andy Reid
Pat Mahomes
Tyreek Hill
Kareem hunt
Travis kelce
Sammy Watkins
I know in the current climate it’s cool to immediately claim the NFL is racist. However, I don’t blame teams for the hesitation, with that line up it seems nearly impossible to fail. Why do we automatically assume he can produce similar results with the jets and Sam Darnold or the chargers and Justin Herbert?
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rmcjacket23
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Nor do I. Balance is needed.
I don't really ever put much stock in fans opinions on these concepts. I can show posts from the same users who were, in mid-season, saying we weren't running the ball nearly enough, we'd lost our identity, etc. One of the biggest complaints all season was how, in our losses (conveniently), we "abandoned the run" too early.
And now we get to the end of the year, and the only thing people want to discuss is evolving the pass game.
For me, I'm not seeing the magic elixir. If we fired Roman, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. We will replace him with more "modern" passing concepts, and then we'll run the ball like 25-30% less, or more, than we do now. Gone will be the days of 250 yard rushing performances and bludgeoning people.
And that will either look incredibly brilliant, or, incredibly stupid. And that will depend on the personnel who can execute. If Lamar can't consistently throw outside the numbers, I don't care about the pass game concepts, because they won't matter. There isn't a successful pass game concept known to man that involves only completing passes inside the numbers.
If we don't get more competent receivers who can run full route trees, consistently catch passes, and use the sideline to their advantage, then I don't care about the pass game concepts either, because they won't be executed.
And if we look at the Buffalo game specifically... if the offensive line is going to give ample time and space on less than 20% of pass plays, then does it even really matter what plays you're calling? The only plays you should be calling are QB draws in those spots.
rmcjacket23
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But you can say that for probably every coach being hired. Unless you literally hire a Mike McCarthy who's won a SB before, everybody you hire is a gamble. I don't know if Robert Saleh will be good. I know he coached good defenses that were full of talent. That's all I know. Can apply the same principle to literally any coach being hired.
I think Bienemy hasn't been hired because of what you guys alluded to already... his team is so good that you basically can't hire him until February, which is a month later than everybody else hiring coaches. And a lot of NFL teams don't want to wait that long. That's a month of an offseason program that is leaderless. Assistant coaches are being hired too, so its not like he would have an unlimited pool of assistants to choose from either.
If people think its a race thing, so be it. Neither side can prove or disprove that anyway, so its pointless to talk about.
Andy Reid
Pat Mahomes
Tyreek Hill
Kareem hunt
Travis kelce
Sammy Watkins
just to name a few
Pat Mahomes
Tyreek Hill
Kareem hunt
Travis kelce
Sammy Watkins
just to name a few
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
I agree that you don't build an offense on around fades, but those out passes are essential. Guys knowing how to run routes and get to spots understand how little fakes or jukes can get you open on an out. Derrick Mason was a master. Held the LB to the middle with a juke inside and the CB above him with acceleration and then a foot in the ground and turns open with no one near him for a clean reception. It's undefendable when done correctly. I don't think any of our guys really get that play... not that we saw it at all either.
But I disagree on our WR's being able to hold the boundary, tho. And that showed in several of Lamar's INT's. He shouldn't have thrown them seeing the WR's had not gained position, but those routes are position routes and hold your ground routes. They might have improved a bit, but they were not good at it.
Honestly, I still don't trust drafting a WR. We need a vet possession guy. How do we get that? Don't know. I have a feeling that the cap is going to become an issue pretty quickly at some point in the not too distant future. I also think a TE that can pair with Andrews would be as valuable as any WR we'd pick, probably more valuable. With trading Hurst and Boyle out on injury, we lost two decent catching options. Draft a TE, welcome Boyle back, trade for or entice a vet WR... I think that makes for some success. We need another set of hands on those short routes to keep DEF's honest and then Hollywood gains some space somewhere. Boykin might benefit from that too. Of course, this all hinges on the actual implementation and practice of a legit passing scheme...