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The 2021 Offseason Thread

drjohnnyfever

drjohnnyfever

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JoeyFlex5 said:
This is true, but Greg Roman HAS to evolve his passing designs and expand his personnel use.
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cdp said:
Honest question: What makes you believe he'll pull it off? He hasn't done it yet neither in Buffalo or San Francisco.
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JoeyFlex5 said:
I don’t. To me it’s a broken record at this point.

that said, after calming down a minute, it makes sense. The ravens in 2 years have built the greatest rushing attack of all time, and when it’s all said and done I think they will say the ravens had a rushing attack so great it will never be matched again, Greg Roman built that, and he built it around our dual threat qb. You don’t just get rid of that, you work with it and build on it as much as possible, experiment and let Roman, harbs, urban, and Culley cook something up, and implement it with full faith that your qb can pull it off. But the gameplan will always revolve around our rushing attack, you just can’t change that up so soon.

if you really think about it, the ravens are looking at potentially becoming the most unique nfl team ever, to compete in this day and age with this type of offense for more than 1-2 years is insane, we have the foundation to do it for a fairly long time. Can’t really blame harbaugh or Eric for wanting to stay the course and see this thing through, they feel like they’re on the cusp of something “different”
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This is the discussion in my head! ^_^

I don't think you throw a coach out who has this kind of strange success with multiple teams, but there has to be development of a passing game. Can Roman use that savant-ish understanding of the running side to develop a passing scheme on his own? I'm sort of dubious on that, but you've got to expect 2 things.

1 - other teams won't want a half of coach, potentially and
2 - he has to want to improve

...so assuming he can't do it on his own, which is his history, he would benefit from working with another asst. OC that would develop and integrate the passing scheme into the overall OFF. If we get production like we did in the 13-3 season from a passing OFF, good heavens!

But I will ask this as an age old question......... when you have a talent like Lamar that is so explosive and has such potential do you jettison the player or a coach first to get your bearings on where things are? I say coach. But I don't know that in this situation that's right because it seems like they are sort of victims of each other's successes and failures. But if I had to choose right now, despite how Lamar looked at points this year, I'd still have to stick with him.
 
JoeyFlex5

JoeyFlex5

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drjohnnyfever said:
This is the discussion in my head! ^_^

I don't think you throw a coach out who has this kind of strange success with multiple teams, but there has to be development of a passing game. Can Roman use that savant-ish understanding of the running side to develop a passing scheme on his own? I'm sort of dubious on that, but you've got to expect 2 things.

1 - other teams won't want a half of coach, potentially and
2 - he has to want to improve

...so assuming he can't do it on his own, which is his history, he would benefit from working with another asst. OC that would develop and integrate the passing scheme into the overall OFF. If we get production like we did in the 13-3 season from a passing OFF, good heavens!

But I will ask this as an age old question......... when you have a talent like Lamar that is so explosive and has such potential do you jettison the player or a coach first to get your bearings on where things are? I say coach. But I don't know that in this situation that's right because it seems like they are sort of victims of each other's successes and failures. But if I had to choose right now, despite how Lamar looked at points this year, I'd still have to stick with him.
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I don’t think there’s any question that Lamar is our guy and Roman is just someone we hope can be his best fit, not the other way around.

but yeah, as much as I hope it all comes together, I have reservations about how realistic that is. My hope is that it all develops into something big, and if that doesn’t work I just hope it’s not too late for Lamar to adapt to whatever more pass oriented system we put in place
 
Simba

Simba

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So DeCosta's press conference didn't say too much, but definitely a few discussion points for FA and the draft...

Said the team is operating with a $175-180M cap in mind, and expects to have $15-20M in cap space available. Cap cuts are dependent on what the cap comes in at. Said it's hard to operate and make decisions without an idea of what the number is going to be, so operating on the low end until told differently.

When speaking about the OLBs, said there are guys you'd like to retain but not sure it's doable. Said they think it's a deep draft at OLB and there are some identified FAs if they need to go that route. Might be me, but could see both Judon and Ngakoue walk.

Reiterated OL as a top priority. Protect Lamar and keep this a run first offense. Also mentioned that a WR1 would be great but they don't feel they have to do that. Efficiency and more variance could also do the job.

When asked about extensions about Lamar (he basically said this will be happening), Andrews, and Brown... he reiterated his desire to keep the good young players, but "you can't keep everybody"

He's expecting to have 6 draft picks, maybe 7 (1 or 2 comp picks). As usual, said they'd love to get more.

Earl Thomas grievance still ongoing, and he admitted that was a big miss of a signing
 
Simba

Simba

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JoeyFlex5 said:
CUTTING MORGAN COX IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND FOR #NICKMOORESZN THIS IS BETRAYAL
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I'm surprised but also not surprised. I thought they'd at least take Cox into camp and make it a formal competition, but I feel like we shouldn't be surprised at all that Nick Moore is going to open 2021 as our LS.

They kept the guy around on the PS all season and protected him nearly every week. They framed it for covid reasons but we knew the truth. If it was really for covid reasons, we would have also had a K/P there.

It sounds like they kind of had an "ultimatum" for lack of a better description, according to Zrebiec. Nick Moore had other offers and would have gone elsewhere. After seeing him work with Koch and Tucker for an entire season, they valued him enough to basically guarantee him the job. They clearly liked him from the onset and wanted to keep him around, and Cox to no fault of his own was the casualty.
 
LSURavenFan

LSURavenFan

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Sucks to see Cox go, but I gotta think it's a cap thing as much as an age thing.

Cap will be tight and the 400k or so cheaper that Moore will be could be very beneficial
 
Simba

Simba

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LSURavenFan said:
Sucks to see Cox go, but I gotta think it's a cap thing as much as an age thing.

Cap will be tight and the 400k or so cheaper that Moore will be could be very beneficial
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It's not a cap thing, and it likely would have been about a $250K difference with the veteran benefit. Even $400K is chump change in the NFL. If you're worried about $400K on your cap, there are much bigger issues at play. All about Nick Moore being a guy they view as a viable replacement over a longer period of time.
 
JAAM

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rossihunter2

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Simba said:
It's not a cap thing, and it likely would have been about a $250K difference with the veteran benefit. Even $400K is chump change in the NFL. If you're worried about $400K on your cap, there are much bigger issues at play. All about Nick Moore being a guy they view as a viable replacement over a longer period of time.
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yeah it's 100% about getting younger - and when you find a guy you like (who's 6 years younger) you absolutely keep him and unfortunately for Cox there's no backup LS spots on a team lol

on the plus side he'll 100% catch on somewhere else if he wants to

but it's a shame to break up the wolfpack after nearly a decade
i imagine we'll be starting to look for our next sam koch too soon given he's 38 and while he has revolutionised the punting game - some of the other punters in the league have taken up his craft and superseded him a bit - don't get me wrong he's still a great punter but there's others around who are better
 
rossihunter2

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Just listening through EDC's presser now and I think about 20mins in he finally got tired of answering questions about the passing game and gave what i thought was the most interesting answer (in what it implied not what it actually said)

he brought up the idea that they're going to fix this team and pointed out some of the defensive issues upfront last year that they knew they needed to fix

and then pointed out that it's not a thing that's going to be fixed over the next 2-3 weeks but over the next 5-6 months in numerous ways (he wasn't specifically talking about the passing game here when he said it but contextually to me it seems pretty clear that they understand that's the biggest flaw in the team right now)

all the quotes going around about "number 1 wide receivers" completely miss the context of the statement which was basically that we'll look at lots of different ways to get better and don't feel we need to find that 1 guy to "fix" the offence but that we'll be looking at all sorts of avenues to get better everywhere (and that includes WR) - obviously he mentions the draft

talking about EDGE he mentioned the draft class - i think he wants to keep guys around but i think he basically acknowledged that we wont be able to keep everyone we want to at that position - but also interestingly mentioned free agency and talked a lot at the beginning of the uniqueness of this salary cap year - how we're not in a great position with only 15-20m cap space but that it puts us near the top 10 in the league in terms of space and that gives us some opportunities to take advantage - and i wonder if he's looking at all the teams that are already over the cap and looking at players they'll have to release and seeing some guys at EDGE who might be attainable if/when they get cut
 
rossihunter2

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EDC also talking about sacks and pressures being down across the whole league - was answering a question about the value of pass rush

he acknowledged that basically there's definitely some analytics that would suggest the backend is more important than pressure because of how quickly teams get the ball out

but then said you still have to have a pass rush - thinks you have to be fast on defence, got to tackle well etc. - but that you have to be able to get the QB uncomfortable especially when playing teams that use a ton of play-action

and with a rueful grin reminded everyone that "we say it every year but... you can never have too many corners"

but i wonder if this potentially alludes to maybe accepting a regression in talent at EDGE on our team this year and while we'll look to bring in the best group we can - edge might not be a focus for us in the way that maybe that some think it will be - this is a complete hypothetical on my part though and could be embarrassingly wrong given the fact we did a mid-season trade already for Yannick lol

sidenote: EDC admitted that he likes doing trades because they're "fun"
 
cdp

cdp

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rossihunter2 said:
Just listening through EDC's presser now and I think about 20mins in he finally got tired of answering questions about the passing game and gave what i thought was the most interesting answer (in what it implied not what it actually said)

he brought up the idea that they're going to fix this team and pointed out some of the defensive issues upfront last year that they knew they needed to fix

and then pointed out that it's not a thing that's going to be fixed over the next 2-3 weeks but over the next 5-6 months in numerous ways (he wasn't specifically talking about the passing game here when he said it but contextually to me it seems pretty clear that they understand that's the biggest flaw in the team right now)

all the quotes going around about "number 1 wide receivers" completely miss the context of the statement which was basically that we'll look at lots of different ways to get better and don't feel we need to find that 1 guy to "fix" the offence but that we'll be looking at all sorts of avenues to get better everywhere (and that includes WR) - obviously he mentions the draft

talking about EDGE he mentioned the draft class - i think he wants to keep guys around but i think he basically acknowledged that we wont be able to keep everyone we want to at that position - but also interestingly mentioned free agency and talked a lot at the beginning of the uniqueness of this salary cap year - how we're not in a great position with only 15-20m cap space but that it puts us near the top 10 in the league in terms of space and that gives us some opportunities to take advantage - and i wonder if he's looking at all the teams that are already over the cap and looking at players they'll have to release and seeing some guys at EDGE who might be attainable if/when they get cut
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This is the year to get great value in FA.
On another note:I wouldn't be surprised if we got a comp pick for Cox hehehe.
 
BoredMarine13

BoredMarine13

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cdp said:
This is the year to get great value in FA.
On another note:I wouldn't be surprised if we got a comp pick for Cox hehehe.
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I hope the value is there and the players are willing to accept. I think the way forward for this team ,unfortunately, will be other teams aging cap casualties. More bandaids to keep us afloat as a playoff contender.


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