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The 2021 Offseason Thread

Simba

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In a normal year, I'd agree with you. We'd look to add a veteran RT, so that going in the draft, we're not pigeon-holed there. This year, however, there's so little cap space available, and a good chunk of it may be going either to retain players we already had last year (pass rushers) or to extend Lamar. In which case, the ability to add a Tackle in FA becomes that much more challenging. In addition, I've looked at the Tackle FA market, and as it stands today, I don't know that I remember a year worse than this one to need a Tackle in FA. That could change with roster cuts, but that's what I see today. Its total garbage. Like Fluker looks good in this market.

The added advantage of keeping Brown another year, knowing you have the same problem next year, is well, another year. You can two drafts to add Tackles instead of one, and you get two FA periods. More money likely to be available next year, and it would be hard for it to be a worse FA class than it is now.

If Orlando Brown were a FA this offseason, given how bad that market is, he would get AT LEAST $20M annually, and I'm not convinced he wouldn't be the highest paid Tackle in league history. And I don't think he is the best Tackle in the league, but the market is just so egregious right now.

So regardless of whether they trade him or not, I think they need to add two Tackles this offseason into the mix, through a combination of draft picks and/or free agent signings.

Just for reference, here's the list of available Ts that started most of the season and wouldn't break the bank:

Cameron Fleming
Joe Haeg
Matt Feiler
Cameron Erving
Cedric Ogbuehi
Kelvin Beachum
Sam Tevi

Everyone else is either a vet (e.g. Trent Williams, Alejandro Villanueva) or a young guy trying to cash in (e.g. Taylor Moton, Cam Robinson)
 
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redrum52

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Side note. Would be interested to see if we could get Von Miller on a decent deal assuming he's a cap casualty.
 

rossihunter2

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In a normal year, I'd agree with you. We'd look to add a veteran RT, so that going in the draft, we're not pigeon-holed there. This year, however, there's so little cap space available, and a good chunk of it may be going either to retain players we already had last year (pass rushers) or to extend Lamar. In which case, the ability to add a Tackle in FA becomes that much more challenging. In addition, I've looked at the Tackle FA market, and as it stands today, I don't know that I remember a year worse than this one to need a Tackle in FA. That could change with roster cuts, but that's what I see today. Its total garbage. Like Fluker looks good in this market.

The added advantage of keeping Brown another year, knowing you have the same problem next year, is well, another year. You can two drafts to add Tackles instead of one, and you get two FA periods. More money likely to be available next year, and it would be hard for it to be a worse FA class than it is now.

If Orlando Brown were a FA this offseason, given how bad that market is, he would get AT LEAST $20M annually, and I'm not convinced he wouldn't be the highest paid Tackle in league history. And I don't think he is the best Tackle in the league, but the market is just so egregious right now.

So regardless of whether they trade him or not, I think they need to add two Tackles this offseason into the mix, through a combination of draft picks and/or free agent signings.

the benefit to doing it this year (if we're forced) is that we likely get better compensation than a potential comp pick (and more immediate compensation) and we also get to potentially address it in a good tackle class - no idea what next year's looks like but other than this upcoming class and the 2020 class it's not been a great looking decade outside of 2011 and 2016 for tackle classes

who know's when the next good one will be
 

Simba

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Side note. Would be interested to see if we could get Von Miller on a decent deal assuming he's a cap casualty.

Thought he might be a good option, but then all of those DV claims came out about a month ago and he's still under investigation. Would guess we'll end up staying away from that.
 

rossihunter2

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I would say taking on a franchise tagged player at any position that's not Kicker or Punter, at this point, is pretty much impossible, given our cap situation. We can't afford to take on one year, high-end market value deals. Anybody we could trade for or sign, with a respectable or higher price point, would have to be on a multi-year deal.

agreed there - and correct me if im wrong but wouldnt robinson have to fit under the bears cap first? or can they tag him and then trade him before the new league year and therefore never have to fit him under their own cap?
 

rmcjacket23

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agreed there - and correct me if im wrong but wouldnt robinson have to fit under the bears cap first? or can they tag him and then trade him before the new league year and therefore never have to fit him under their own cap?
Franchise tags can begin on 2/23 based on what I see. I believe NFL teams don't have to be under the salary cap until the day FA begins, which I believe is March 17th.

So theoretically they can tag a player, be over the cap, and carry them for about 3-4 weeks. But once the league year starts, they need to be under.

I could also be wrong, but I believe any "trade" technically doesn't occur until the new league year begins on 3/17.
 

RavensMania

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That's exactly how I feel. I see no reason to move Orlando unless we get an "offer you can't refuse". I like the idea of getting a 2nd round pick when we would only get a third, but a Super Bowl run is worth more than that to me.

The media thing is tiring but this is every athlete almost now.

What deal did EDC put the "kabash" on last year? Or is it undisclosed?

what's this last part in reference to?

Pretty sure he's talking about Brockers
 

ravenslord

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I would take a trade of Brown for two 1st round picks and nothing less. He would start as a LT just about anywhere and is a Pro Bowl caliber tackle.
 

UPennChem

Hall of Famer
I am just clarifying if you guys understand better than me. Is the situation Brown has formally requested a trade and instead of EDC saying ok I'll trade you, he said ok go look for it yourself? The implication being that they want to keep Brown and therefore if the deal he brings back is not up to his value standard he is just going to say no?
 

cdp

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Brown literally begged Ozzie to draft him - he even wrote him a personal letter. Now he wants to get traded to play LT. I would've never thought he was that kind of guy. I'm all for guys getting their bag. But he could've handled it classier. That's not how true Ravens force their way out.
 

rossihunter2

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Franchise tags can begin on 2/23 based on what I see. I believe NFL teams don't have to be under the salary cap until the day FA begins, which I believe is March 17th.

So theoretically they can tag a player, be over the cap, and carry them for about 3-4 weeks. But once the league year starts, they need to be under.

I could also be wrong, but I believe any "trade" technically doesn't occur until the new league year begins on 3/17.

so they'd have to still make space for him for that 1 second that he's on the cap in this hypothetical scenario?

and it would rely on the deal being done basically before free agency begins...

so it's highly unlikely
 

rossihunter2

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I am just clarifying if you guys understand better than me. Is the situation Brown has formally requested a trade and instead of EDC saying ok I'll trade you, he said ok go look for it yourself? The implication being that they want to keep Brown and therefore if the deal he brings back is not up to his value standard he is just going to say no?

the relationship still seems to be good
he wants to play LT, the Ravens want him to stay but understand that his heart is set on leaving

EDC's response basically is we'd like you to stay but fine if you find us an offer that's good enough we'll let you leave

that's all conjecture

all we actually know is that Brown wants to play LT but realises that's not here and has asked to be traded but that he and the Ravens front office are still on good terms

what we dont know is how brown would feel if he had to stay here and play another year at RT if we don't get a big enough offer...
 

rossihunter2

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Yeah good point. ok 1st rounder and a receiver.

i want 2 picks and one of them has got to be 33 or higher (i say 33 just because that's rumoured to be what we've been offered so far) otherwise why would we trade him...

not sure i want a player back because that player is likely also going to be in year 4 or have a large salary which defeats the object of the trade
 

UPennChem

Hall of Famer
the relationship still seems to be good
he wants to play LT, the Ravens want him to stay but understand that his heart is set on leaving

EDC's response basically is we'd like you to stay but fine if you find us an offer that's good enough we'll let you leave

that's all conjecture

all we actually know is that Brown wants to play LT but realises that's not here and has asked to be traded but that he and the Ravens front office are still on good terms

what we dont know is how brown would feel if he had to stay here and play another year at RT if we don't get a big enough offer...

Yeah... he'd be crazy to sit out right??
 
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