Although I agree that both of our guys are strong safeties, I'd considerate a moderate need due to the other needs being more high priority.
btw, are you going to be playing the Forum Mock?
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btw, are you going to be playing the Forum Mock?
rmcjacket23
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I'm not really concerned about Guard play really. Very happy with Powers and Bozeman's play from 2020. I think Center may be the primary focus. Obviously looking to add depth everywhere, but I can't see why the FO would be unimpressed with our Guard play from last year.
My point about Tackle was that we managed to win so many games last year without Stanley because Brown is that good. If we ran it back with the same units, minus Brown, and Stanley got injured again, you're looking at a Fluker/Phillips LT/RT combination. That's a feeding frenzy on Lamar. Those guys are below replacement level at RT, let alone on the left side.
That's why, if you add 2-3, and only one of them is good, you're at least only starting one of those guys, instead of both.
where's James Hurst @lost
rmcjacket23
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We have zero depth there. When ET was here, Safety was a strength. Its not a weakness, but similar to some other positions, we've been unusually healthy in that area. Certainly an injury two either of the starters would impact that position significantly. I certainly expect the Ravens to explore players at that position in this draft or in 2022. And it wouldn't surprise me to see it addressed early in the draft either.
rmcjacket23
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Reserve lineman for the Saints in 2020. Started 5 games, played in 12 it looks like. Is scheduled to be a FA in 2021.
JoeyFlex5
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I can’t, wayyyy too much happening in life right now. Baby due any day, house projects, might be job hunting soon
JAAM
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Congrats
we were pretty happy but it seems the ravens weren't particularly happy with powers and tbf he had one of the biggest capitulations in the bills game
Grim
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Oh, no doubt I for sure like Bozeman & Powers too. I think right now the plan would be for him to start next to Stanley and have Powers as the default incumbent but he must earn it for RG, draft a C to replace Skura & Mekari, and then draft a RT to play behind Stanley & Brown Jr who are your bookends. With that said, if we trade Brown then yeah, it degrades the OL unit as a whole. You lose depth but it's rare to have such depth on the OL as we've discussed. Regardless, we still need that T depth so we need to draft one with or without Brown this year.
On the subject of C and G, I think about these things laterally where instead of looking at the draft and saying we need a C, I say what if an elite G fell to us and when we picked it was an elite G prospect or just a good C prospect? Do you do the needful and take the C or do you take the unneeded G? I say take the G and either try them at C (possibly bad idea) or move a G like Bozeman back to C to play it (not ideal but does fill a need at a position he can play and did play for us at times). This isn't the most optimal scenario but it is possible and also isn't a bad one either. Just my thoughts and I'm not saying you're wrong about C vs. G, just trying to show a different outlook on it.
I'd agree with this. I love our S but I also have questions around Elliot long-term and I also think we need way better depth. I don't think we were ready for the Thomas debacle else we would've probably drafted some more S to provide depth.
Congratulations on the baby. Job hunting sucks though
Grim
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Powers, Mekari, Bredeson, Phillips are all guys I think could take another step with perhaps another offseason but none really showed anything besides Powers & Mekari. Even then both of those guys had their own issues. I think we have a lot of "good" G prospects but none of them are especially "top-tier" at it. Bozeman was our second best OL once Stanley went down. G is a situation where we have a lot of guys but those guys could also pivot to other spots. Mekari plays both C & G, Bredeson plays G, Phillips plays G/T, Powers plays G. It's one of those situations where we have guys but nobody really took the next step yet.
we've got great depth on the interior - we've got a ton of guys who are very good replacement level players at all 3 spots on the interior - what we dont have outside of bozeman is consistent quality play on the interior - powers flashed, mekari has flashed through his 2 years but not a ton of consistency and both have struggled in pass pro (even bozeman's had some struggles in pass pro)
these are all guys im very happy to have on the 53 but I'd love it if we could force them down the depth chart - with the way we've been drafting and developing interior depth there's a pretty high floor on our OL play but right now there's also a fairly low ceiling - Tyre Phillips is probably the only guy who has a chance to improve that ceiling of the guys on the roster already just because of his physical tools but he's also the least developed of the options inside
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That is what is sooooo frustrating, you hit the mark. A lot of these guys flashed ability (Powers & Mekari) or are still rookies (Phillips & Bredeson) but none of them have been very consistent. My problem is banking on them to be consistent & take the next step is a MAJOR risk more than trading even Brown. Interior pressure has been awful for us despite quality tackle play. Getting blown up the middle has also hurt us a lot with running & passing the ball. That is why I'm OK drafting literally any and all OL spots. We have guys who can swing multiple positions so if need be you just shift them over and accept that. I'd take an elite G prospect & move them to RG or LG depending on their skillset or even move Bozeman to C if it meant anything. I wonder if Bredeson could play C too based on his alleged "photogenic" memory. For some reason though our guys have had issues snapping the football, so that is probably a place to start immediately improving lol.
Tyre is so frustrating because he has the tools but has no idea how to use them. I am hoping he can take a big step.
JoeyFlex5
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Thanks!
It should actually be fairly easy for me to find a job, I got all my PTO to use for interviews on the low, I’m already employed, but my current employer is dicking around with my raise, acting like they have leverage when in reality 1 tech quitting could send the company into a tailspin and they can’t get guys to show up for interviews. they’re gonna give me that 1 more dollar an hour or I will tank their shit for at least the first half of 2021 lol.
already got 2 upgrades lined up and haven’t even updated my resume.
just doing that while also welcoming my 2nd child and a house that’s in constant need of updates pretty much keeps me from having any free time. Honestly most of my time on this site is while I’m at work lmao
JoeyFlex5
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I seriously hope a regular offseason saves tyre, but I worry about it, that man has lead feet for sure and I just don’t see a NFL OT in him
tbf to Tyre he was a raw prospect in the first place and then had a stilted offseason where he had to not only transition from LT to RG but was also then thrust into the starting lineup (we always criticise Harbs for going with the vets over the better rookie but in this case it looked like he went with his pet project rookie over the less exciting but probably better right now options already on the roster) - Tyre had a lot of learning to do and we threw him into the fire and then he spent the last half of the season thrown back in at tackle... i dont have any problem with Tyre not having developed the way we wanted because he had an incredibly steep learning curve and was never given any training wheels at any point lol
for what it's worth Bredeson was snapping and playing C during training camp this year - i think only Powers at this point is a pure 1 position only player on our IOL (maybe TCC too but idk yet)
and i'm with you 100% just draft OL - there's not many tackle prospects at the top of the class who ive watched so far who aren't fast processors and who don't have the physical tools to go with them that would allow them to move inside (and some of them project better inside anyway) - but we're aided by the flexibility and versatility of the guys we've got on the roster already that unless we're drafting 2-3 new starters on the OL that we'll be able to shuffle guys around to get our best starting 5 on the field even if the rookies are not position flexible (although a lot of the class projects well at multiple spots)
that's why he was drafted to be a guard lol
cdp
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Edc "wasted" that pick because Tyre was Harb's guy.
when you've got 4 3rd round picks it's hard to begrudge them taking a guy the coach likes at the very end of the round lol
it would have been great if they could have taken Michael Onwenu (but they also passed on him 2 more times after that so clearly they didnt like him lol)
akeem davis-gaither, josiah scott, hunter bryant or gabriel davis would have been nice but not sure who else has done particularly well between our Tyre and Bredeson picks who wasn't a complete surprise (like ljarius sneed)
cdp
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Im not mad. Ols take some time to develop. Do you you remember Rick Wagner's rookie year or 2nd year? He played a lot better in his 3rd&4th year.
I hope Tyre attends an Ol camp or summit.