The 2021 Offseason Thread

rmcjacket23 · Feb 18, 2021

QuothTheRaven said:
Davis worries me. We can't afford to carry more dead weight if his one season of production turns out to be a fluke.

I'll defend us acquiring him for a couple reasons:
1. He fits the mold of a "bigger" receiver we desperately need. 6'3 210 isn't a joke for a WR.
2. His production for three straight years hasn't been as bad as people think. He's had some injury issues (missed at least 4 games in 3 of his 4 seasons), but that's only going to drive his price down.
3. He'll likely be in that 2nd or even 3rd tier of receivers, which is about all we can afford.

If you look at both 2018 and 2020, he put up some pretty good numbers. The obvious caveat is that, on this team, its going to be hard for him to come in and get like 7-8 targets a game, which is what he was close to getting in Tennessee for a few years.

QuothTheRaven · Feb 18, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
I'll defend us acquiring him for a couple reasons:
1. He fits the mold of a "bigger" receiver we desperately need. 6'3 210 isn't a joke for a WR.
2. His production for three straight years hasn't been as bad as people think. He's had some injury issues (missed at least 4 games in 3 of his 4 seasons), but that's only going to drive his price down.
3. He'll likely be in that 2nd or even 3rd tier of receivers, which is about all we can afford.

If you look at both 2018 and 2020, he put up some pretty good numbers. The obvious caveat is that, on this team, its going to be hard for him to come in and get like 7-8 targets a game, which is what he was close to getting in Tennessee for a few years.

I think he has all the tools to work out great - we're just not well equipped to absorb the risk if he doesn't. That said, we don't have the financial power to chase any "sure thing" guys, so gambling on someone like Davis might be our best route.

My concern is what happens when he's not opposite a coverage-drawing number one like AJ Brown, but I don't remember his 2018 season so maybe there's more there than I'm giving him credit for. If he wasn't that bad, why did the Titans not pick up his option though?

Simba · Feb 18, 2021

JAAM said:
I’d absolutely love Thuney or Lindsley here, but man I want Robinson so bad. It all starts in the trenches though, and I’m willing to take a gamble on a WR in the 1st, especially if we trade for the 13th and can get a top 3 guy

I can understand the mindset if they ultimately do go this direction. If you trade OBJ, you have 3 spots on the OL that need filled. What are the chances you can fix all of that in one draft? Probably pretty slim. You can get all of the weapons you want but if Lamar doesn't have time, that's a waste of money. It makes a lot of sense and sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't disagree with the line of thinking whatsoever though. I think they'd be okay with Mekari or Powers at one of those interior spots if they absolutely had to, but you absolutely need at least one clear upgrade inside and it's hard to count on the draft for that.

rmcjacket23 · Feb 18, 2021

QuothTheRaven said:
I think he has all the tools to work out great - we're just not well equipped to absorb the risk if he doesn't. That said, we don't have the financial power to chase any "sure thing" guys, so gambling on someone like Davis might be our best route.

My concern is what happens when he's not opposite a coverage-drawing number one like AJ Brown, but I don't remember his 2018 season so maybe there's more there than I'm giving him credit for. If he wasn't that bad, why did the Titans not pick up his option though?

In terms of the option, they'd need to pick the option up before the 2020 season, so after his third year. While he had a pretty good 2018, his rookie year was injury prone and not very good, and 2019 wasn't that great for him either. So I'm not surprised they weren't willing to commit like $10M+ on a one year deal for the 5th year option. I think his price point in FA will be about that, and perhaps less. That only became an easier decision when AJ Brown emerged as a stud in 2019.

If we're in the market for a big-bodied receiver that isn't in the upper class of FA WRs, he's going to be on the top of that list in my eyes. There's things to like and things not to like, but that's going to be true of probably everybody we're shopping on in FA at that position.

rmcjacket23 · Feb 18, 2021

Simba said:
I can understand the mindset if they ultimately do go this direction. If you trade OBJ, you have 3 spots on the OL that need filled. What are the chances you can fix all of that in one draft? Probably pretty slim. You can get all of the weapons you want but if Lamar doesn't have time, that's a waste of money. It makes a lot of sense and sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't disagree with the line of thinking whatsoever though. I think they'd be okay with Mekari or Powers at one of those interior spots if they absolutely had to, but you absolutely need at least one clear upgrade inside and it's hard to count on the draft for that.

I agree. If they acquire a Center, I'd be fine with Powers and Bozeman on the interior. That would mean you'd need to get a couple Tackles in the draft.

Acquiring a Guard in FA I think would make it actually a little more challenging. If they trade Brown, it seems likely that his replacement is coming through the draft.

Deebo813 · Feb 18, 2021

Simba said:
Jeff Z sticking with the OL prediction in the most recent article. The prompt was to make one prediction so I wouldn't say he's saying this matter of factly, but still interesting that he keeps beating this drum.

"Zrebiec: The Ravens will make one large free-agent purchase and it will be an interior offensive lineman. I don’t know whether it will be Packers center Corey Linsley, Falcons center Alex Mack, Patriots guard Joe Thuney or Washington guard Brandon Scherff. An exact name would obviously make the prediction spicier. It just seems like team officials are prioritizing solidifying the offensive line this offseason and with at least two holes in that starting group (three if they go ahead and trade right tackle Orlando Brown Jr.), it would be way too risky to wait for the draft to address the offensive line."

Yea my money would def be on olineman and or vet wr.. i think its a no brainer

Deebo813 · Feb 18, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
I'll defend us acquiring him for a couple reasons:
1. He fits the mold of a "bigger" receiver we desperately need. 6'3 210 isn't a joke for a WR.
2. His production for three straight years hasn't been as bad as people think. He's had some injury issues (missed at least 4 games in 3 of his 4 seasons), but that's only going to drive his price down.
3. He'll likely be in that 2nd or even 3rd tier of receivers, which is about all we can afford.

If you look at both 2018 and 2020, he put up some pretty good numbers. The obvious caveat is that, on this team, its going to be hard for him to come in and get like 7-8 targets a game, which is what he was close to getting in Tennessee for a few years.

Yea but how does he play on the field? Can he get open vs man? Can he find spots in zone? Havent watched much of him since college

rmcjacket23 · Feb 18, 2021

Simba said:
I can understand the mindset if they ultimately do go this direction. If you trade OBJ, you have 3 spots on the OL that need filled. What are the chances you can fix all of that in one draft? Probably pretty slim. You can get all of the weapons you want but if Lamar doesn't have time, that's a waste of money. It makes a lot of sense and sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't disagree with the line of thinking whatsoever though. I think they'd be okay with Mekari or Powers at one of those interior spots if they absolutely had to, but you absolutely need at least one clear upgrade inside and it's hard to count on the draft for that.

I agree. If they acquire a Center, I'd be fine with Powers and Bozeman on the interior. That would mean you'd need to get a couple Tackles in the draft.

Acquiring a Guard in FA I think would make it actually a little more challenging. If they trade Brown, it seems likely that his replacement is coming through the draft.

Deebo813 · Feb 18, 2021

watch aj green go to a team like GB and look like a pro bowl wr again.

JoeyFlex5 · Feb 18, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
I agree. If they acquire a Center, I'd be fine with Powers and Bozeman on the interior. That would mean you'd need to get a couple Tackles in the draft.

Acquiring a Guard in FA I think would make it actually a little more challenging. If they trade Brown, it seems likely that his replacement is coming through the draft.

im pretty cool with our guard tandem the same as you, only if we make a big upgrade at center.

i really wanna see landon dickerson in baltimore, also liam eichenberg. if we could pull off an OBJ trade and walk away with those 2 then its probably a fairly large long term net upgrade for the OL, and its a solution that gives a lot more cap flexibility because that could very well be 2 starters on the OL for 4 years on rookie deals, and we likely wouldnt need to go spending on a FA OL. draft is a crap shoot but those guys dont look like anything below plug and play starters in this offense.

rossihunter2 · Feb 18, 2021

JoeyFlex5 said:
im pretty cool with our guard tandem the same as you, only if we make a big upgrade at center.

i really wanna see landon dickerson in baltimore, also liam eichenberg. if we could pull off an OBJ trade and walk away with those 2 then its probably a fairly large long term net upgrade for the OL, and its a solution that gives a lot more cap flexibility because that could very well be 2 starters on the OL for 4 years on rookie deals, and we likely wouldnt need to go spending on a FA OL. draft is a crap shoot but those guys dont look like anything below plug and play starters in this offense.

the only issue with dickerson is that he's had a ton of major injuries already
eichenberg very much looks like an unspectacular plug and play day 1 starter

Simba · Feb 18, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
I agree. If they acquire a Center, I'd be fine with Powers and Bozeman on the interior. That would mean you'd need to get a couple Tackles in the draft.

Acquiring a Guard in FA I think would make it actually a little more challenging. If they trade Brown, it seems likely that his replacement is coming through the draft.

It's definitely a bit of a conundrum, for lack of a better term. In a lot of ways, Mekari actually had a solid year but sucked when it counted. Powers came in and solidified a position and then sucked when it counted. You could do a lot worse than those guys but you can also do a lot better.

But as you said, if they sign a G instead of a C, it kind of complicates things. You limit yourself to only guys who play C, whereas if you sign a guy like Linsley, you open up the interior options to include true Gs, Cs that can play G, and Ts that can move inside to G.

rossihunter2 · Feb 18, 2021

any thoughts - a ton of risk involved and it's clearly got so dire that the titans want out after 1 year - but he's got talent (and he was never a great fit on the titans which made them picking him in the 1st round a bit bizarre)

obviously the big issue is what headspace he's in - but idk if he's cut i'd happily take a flier on bringing him into the building

RaineV1 · Feb 18, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
any thoughts - a ton of risk involved and it's clearly got so dire that the titans want out after 1 year - but he's got talent (and he was never a great fit on the titans which made them picking him in the 1st round a bit bizarre)

obviously the big issue is what headspace he's in - but idk if he's cut i'd happily take a flier on bringing him into the building

Personally, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. It's like he couldn't wait to throw his career away. We don't have enough depth at T to deal with one going crazy and getting into trouble constantly.

Grim · Feb 18, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
any thoughts - a ton of risk involved and it's clearly got so dire that the titans want out after 1 year - but he's got talent (and he was never a great fit on the titans which made them picking him in the 1st round a bit bizarre)

obviously the big issue is what headspace he's in - but idk if he's cut i'd happily take a flier on bringing him into the building

If he’s cut, sure. If he’s a trade target, I’d give up a very late round pick for him.

JoeyFlex5 · Feb 18, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
the only issue with dickerson is that he's had a ton of major injuries already
eichenberg very much looks like an unspectacular plug and play day 1 starter

Unspectacular at RT is beyond fine by me, even if it takes a late first round pick to do it.

I’ve come to appreciate the idea of spending our top pick on what we see as browns replacement, seems like a big “for what?” But if it gives us more picks to use then that’s what it’s for.

Simba · Feb 18, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
any thoughts - a ton of risk involved and it's clearly got so dire that the titans want out after 1 year - but he's got talent (and he was never a great fit on the titans which made them picking him in the 1st round a bit bizarre)

obviously the big issue is what headspace he's in - but idk if he's cut i'd happily take a flier on bringing him into the building

It's an interesting thought. Needs a lot of evaluation in his own life before he's really ready to play football, but I'd consider throwing a conditional 7th or something like that if they're planning to cut him anyways. He's got talent but clearly not there mentally.

rossihunter2 · Feb 18, 2021

Simba said:
It's an interesting thought. Needs a lot of evaluation in his own life before he's really ready to play football, but I'd consider throwing a conditional 7th or something like that if they're planning to cut him anyways. He's got talent but clearly not there mentally.

not sure id love the trade given that i think there's some guaranteed money in his contract (that we'd acquire) which obviously would increase the risk

Simba · Feb 18, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
not sure id love the trade given that i think there's some guaranteed money in his contract (that we'd acquire) which obviously would increase the risk

Yep good point. Didn't realize that much of his salary was guaranteed... virtually all of it.

Grim · Feb 18, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
not sure id love the trade given that i think there's some guaranteed money in his contract (that we'd acquire) which obviously would increase the risk

Simba said:
Yep good point. Didn't realize that much of his salary was guaranteed... virtually all of it.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that too. No thanks on the trade if that’s the case. Bring him in as a flier but not a guaranteed cash purse.

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