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BoredMarine13

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I know boykin ran a 4.42 in the underwear olympics, but he looks like he runs a 4.6 and rocking cleats made of out concrete with pads on.

Maybe I'm in the minority but i think boykin would do well in other offenses. He is 6’4 ,for God sake through the guy some jump balls and back shoulder fades and let him take advantage of the mismatches


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BoredMarine13

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definitely - the only way to fix it at this point has to be to draft our way out of it...

the more i think about it, the more i'm assuming that's why new england had to overpay a ton of receivers this offseason - to make sure they got decent talents there despite having a similarly non-productive passing offence

we dont have the cap space to do that - so our only option is to draft well at that position (the thing that we've not shown the ability to do yet in our organisation's history)

i disagree. It's a philosophical change in the way we operate offensively that will get guys here. We don't need to throw the ball 50 times a game, but guys need to know we're balanced and well give them a shot.

That's easier said then done when we have shit receivers but were still a playoff team.... Thus the vicious cycle continues


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Simba

Staff Member
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Again it could be that they cleared up that space at any point because they were planning on being aggressive for either a WR or an edge

I don’t want to see you get too hyped up man. I know how it goes when your expectations aren’t met :lol:
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
I don’t want to see you get too hyped up man. I know how it goes when your expectations aren’t met :lol:
I don't understand how people haven't yet figured out our FA/draft strategy 2021. It's clear to me two new coaches will make proper receivers of Boykin, Duvernay, Proche, then Willie will re-sign and we'll draft really talented but overlooked guy on a second half of day 3, who will also be turned into great WR.

Joking aside - making playoffs again with no pass catchers and no pass rushers isn't happening. We wasted Lamar's rookie contract.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
I don't understand how people haven't yet figured out our FA/draft strategy 2021. It's clear to me two new coaches will make proper receivers of Boykin, Duvernay, Proche, then Willie will re-sign and we'll draft really talented but overlooked guy on a second half of day 3, who will also be turned into great WR.

Joking aside - making playoffs again with no pass catchers and no pass rushers isn't happening. We wasted Lamar's rookie contract.
welcome, it's nice to see you back on the boards. hope you stick around.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
Maybe I'm in the minority but i think boykin would do well in other offenses. He is 6’4 ,for God sake through the guy some jump balls and back shoulder fades and let him take advantage of the mismatches


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6’4” means very little on its own in the nfl
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
I don’t want to see you get too hyped up man. I know how it goes when your expectations aren’t met :lol:
I’m not hyped up, the hype has officially died since Watkins left the building lol, it just seems like there should be no way in hell that Eric would allow the roster to look like this, it may be a thing that doesn’t happen until after the draft too, don’t know when but i just believe a move is going to be made somewhere in this offseason for a veteran wr.
 

rmcjacket23

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It’s because WRs are fully aware that they won’t reach their potential in this offense. And Baltimore has a piss poor history of receivers, so it’s not like we can point out tradition at the position either. It’s quite literally WR hell here
Players typically go to whoever is willing to pay the most. There's really not much more to it than that.
 

RavensMania

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Players typically go to whoever is willing to pay the most. There's really not much more to it than that.
most of the time that is true, but there are plenty of times where they settle for a little less and it happens frequently.
 

rmcjacket23

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most of the time that is true, but there are plenty of times where they settle for a little less and it happens frequently.
Yes, veterans who already have banked quite a bit. The market of receivers we're competing for, like a JuJu for example, don't really fit that mold.
 

drjohnnyfever

Pro Bowler
TE, please... Part of the reason the Lamar's numbers were so much better in the 2019 season was proper use of 2 and 3 TE sets with guys that could chip and catch reliably. Get me a quality TE and Adam Humphries or Willie Sneed back and we'll be good.
 

RavensMania

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Yes, veterans who already have banked quite a bit. The market of receivers we're competing for, like a JuJu for example, don't really fit that mold.
I would agree, most of the time that is true. Even Albert Haynesworth 'settled' for less money when he signed the 100m contract with Washignton. The Bucs offered 114m. Players have been known to take less in when they are in better situations regardless of whether they have banked quite a bit or not. It happens, but not regularly, because most of the time they are taking the most money.
 

RavensMania

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TE, please... Part of the reason the Lamar's numbers were so much better in the 2019 season was proper use of 2 and 3 TE sets with guys that could chip and catch reliably. Get me a quality TE and Adam Humphries or Willie Sneed back and we'll be good.
he had more time in the pocket in 2019 than he did in 2020. That was the main problem. Zeitler will help with that issue.
 

rmcjacket23

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I’ve been an advocate for Gallup since last trade deadline. That would honestly alleviate so much anxiety for me lol. Wonder if Jeff was hearing something or if it was just a name he threw out there
Well, frankly, there really aren't that many, if really any, traded candidates that make much sense. The high profile guys like Robinson or like Julio aren't going to be traded, mostly because it either doesn't make sense for the other team to trade or for financial reasons.

Realistically, Gallup is about the only guy I could see being on this list that's of any value. And that's because the Cowboys already have two better receivers on their roster, are highly unlikely to be able to afford to pay Gallup next year, and he's in the last year of a rookie deal with no option year attached to it.

As you look around the league, there really aren't many other options at receiver that make much sense. There's some like lower tier guys that you could swing in a trade, but I wouldn't call them "impact" players.
 

rmcjacket23

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TE, please... Part of the reason the Lamar's numbers were so much better in the 2019 season was proper use of 2 and 3 TE sets with guys that could chip and catch reliably. Get me a quality TE and Adam Humphries or Willie Sneed back and we'll be good.
I think all this would do is make us much more predictable on offense and easier to stop. We already operate like our entire offense between the numbers... adding another TE would only make that more likely. Teams will just plant all their linebackers and safeties in the middle of the field (which they did pretty much all last year) and just leave their Corners on islands outside in single matchups with our receivers, which they currently can't win. Even the deep shots we take are almost entirely middle of the field throws.

Lamar's ability to throw outside the numbers and for us to design an offense for him to do so is probably the single most important aspect of this offense for this offense. Its much more important than personnel upgrades in my eyes. Teams have zero respect whatsoever for our sideline to sideline pass game.

Part of the reason Lamar was so much more successful in 2019 was because, in 2018, he was just a running QB. So they sold out to stop him from running, and he would play fake everybody and leave the middle of the field wide open. Naturally, in 2020, teams adapted, and they just flooded the middle of the field with bodies, and in reality, rushed him less. They know the shelf life of him being able to run for 15 carries a game is short, so they're just playing the long game. What they figured out quickly was a combination of a) the Ravens not having a passing scheme that can deviate from a game plan or attack single coverage on the outside and b) Lamar's inability to execute on those sideline throws or deep throws consistently.

Losing Hayden Hurst hurt, but it didn't hurt that much.
 

JAAM

Hall of Famer
Well, frankly, there really aren't that many, if really any, traded candidates that make much sense. The high profile guys like Robinson or like Julio aren't going to be traded, mostly because it either doesn't make sense for the other team to trade or for financial reasons.

Realistically, Gallup is about the only guy I could see being on this list that's of any value. And that's because the Cowboys already have two better receivers on their roster, are highly unlikely to be able to afford to pay Gallup next year, and he's in the last year of a rookie deal with no option year attached to it.

As you look around the league, there really aren't many other options at receiver that make much sense. There's some like lower tier guys that you could swing in a trade, but I wouldn't call them "impact" players.
Absolutely agree. I think Gallup and Lamar are almost the same age, so it would be fun to watch them grow together. I don’t know why people are suggesting Julio lol. There’s no way in hell that happens. If we added Gallup AND drafted a WR in the first or second, that would be absolutely amazing. Wonder what the compensation for Gallup would be
 

rmcjacket23

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Well juju didnt
Well, he pretty much did though. Chiefs offer was the same as the Steelers essentially, and the Ravens offer was for only $1M more. There are "reports" that the Eagles had a multi-year offer, but its also not been verified.

They were all one year deals, essentially. It's really not surprising at all that, given they were all extremely comparable offers, he decided to stay put and not uproot everything.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
TE, please... Part of the reason the Lamar's numbers were so much better in the 2019 season was proper use of 2 and 3 TE sets with guys that could chip and catch reliably. Get me a quality TE and Adam Humphries or Willie Sneed back and we'll be good.
The multi TE sets are a crutch, it will kill progression if we lean on that and only that.
 
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