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rmcjacket23

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he also left multiple games early in 2019 due to huge leads. I believe atleast 3 games he left early. Maybe 4 and he didn't play the last game.

I believe averaging 27 passes a game, which would bring us to 459 (17 games). Anyway, you are right that there could be two many mouths to feed based on sheer volume. That being said we should have more talent and feel the 2nd round is where that receiver should be taken, unless they are totally sold on a day 1 pick. I still feel Creed Humphrey, Teven Jenkins or Jaelen Phillips would be better picks and feel atleast one of them will be available, but I digress and this is for the draft thread anyway.
Yeah I mean obviously adding one more game will increase attempts, but that's also true league-wide, so its scaled on a per game basis.

But I also don't think he left nearly as many early last year (where he also had less attempts), and I don't know that's something you can bank on either.

And again, this is in the context of people wanting an upgrade at receiver from a statistical aspect. Not everybody cares about that, but deep down, I think a lot do. I think a lot of people look around the league at the more explosive offenses and say "look, they've got multiple thousand yard receivers, or have a guy who's getting 1,200 yards every year. It's because they have great receivers and we don't". And I'm saying that in an offense that simply doesn't throw the football that much, it's almost unreasonable to expect it, regardless of the player you add, how talented they are, or the name on the jersey.

If people view it the way I do, which is I want a chain moving, big bodied, red zone threat, who can also work the perimeter, then I agree that day 2 is probably the place to find that. And I think if that guy puts up like 600-700 yards a season, which quite frankly, would be pretty good, in 2 years, a lot of fans will be saying he's not any good and they want upgrades. And I will laugh at it, because the only expectations they're probably not living up to is fan expectations.

I think its important for any fanbase to be reasonable and have expectations that are associated with a teams strategy and what you've seen on the field.

And as I addressed earlier... I think Friday morning around here will be quite funny IF we don't take a WR in the first. And I'm sort of looking forward to it.
 

ndub

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Bottom line is this. If teams respect our passing game, as at least they partially did in 2019, we have more air to breathe when we do run. If they think our passing game is a complete joke, it doesn’t really matter how good we can run, we will still get at least sorta shut down against solid playoff teams. That means we need a guy who is respected at the very least for one reason or another. I’m not here pounding the table for Nuke or Diggs/Thomas, I’m here saying we need more than projects, a decent WR who is often hurt, and Hollywood. That’s all I’m saying
 

ndub

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Yeah I mean obviously adding one more game will increase attempts, but that's also true league-wide, so its scaled on a per game basis.

But I also don't think he left nearly as many early last year (where he also had less attempts), and I don't know that's something you can bank on either.

And again, this is in the context of people wanting an upgrade at receiver from a statistical aspect. Not everybody cares about that, but deep down, I think a lot do. I think a lot of people look around the league at the more explosive offenses and say "look, they've got multiple thousand yard receivers, or have a guy who's getting 1,200 yards every year. It's because they have great receivers and we don't". And I'm saying that in an offense that simply doesn't throw the football that much, it's almost unreasonable to expect it, regardless of the player you add, how talented they are, or the name on the jersey.

If people view it the way I do, which is I want a chain moving, big bodied, red zone threat, who can also work the perimeter, then I agree that day 2 is probably the place to find that. And I think if that guy puts up like 600-700 yards a season, which quite frankly, would be pretty good, in 2 years, a lot of fans will be saying he's not any good and they want upgrades. And I will laugh at it, because the only expectations they're probably not living up to is fan expectations.

I think its important for any fanbase to be reasonable and have expectations that are associated with a teams strategy and what you've seen on the field.

And as I addressed earlier... I think Friday morning around here will be quite funny IF we don't take a WR in the first. And I'm sort of looking forward to it.

I’m sorry, I’m trying to at least get along with you and see your perspective because you actually do your research and think your posts out. But how is it funny when we need to improve in an area and we don’t? So totally hilarious right?
 

rossihunter2

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Yeah I mean obviously adding one more game will increase attempts, but that's also true league-wide, so its scaled on a per game basis.

But I also don't think he left nearly as many early last year (where he also had less attempts), and I don't know that's something you can bank on either.

And again, this is in the context of people wanting an upgrade at receiver from a statistical aspect. Not everybody cares about that, but deep down, I think a lot do. I think a lot of people look around the league at the more explosive offenses and say "look, they've got multiple thousand yard receivers, or have a guy who's getting 1,200 yards every year. It's because they have great receivers and we don't". And I'm saying that in an offense that simply doesn't throw the football that much, it's almost unreasonable to expect it, regardless of the player you add, how talented they are, or the name on the jersey.

If people view it the way I do, which is I want a chain moving, big bodied, red zone threat, who can also work the perimeter, then I agree that day 2 is probably the place to find that. And I think if that guy puts up like 600-700 yards a season, which quite frankly, would be pretty good, in 2 years, a lot of fans will be saying he's not any good and they want upgrades. And I will laugh at it, because the only expectations they're probably not living up to is fan expectations.

I think its important for any fanbase to be reasonable and have expectations that are associated with a teams strategy and what you've seen on the field.

And as I addressed earlier... I think Friday morning around here will be quite funny IF we don't take a WR in the first. And I'm sort of looking forward to it.

right but there are different philosophies about adding weapons that aren't rooted in yards and statistical accumulation

i want the ravens to add another weapon because i think that creates matchup issues for defences partly because of our running game - i want another weapon because i dont think the stable we have is able to accomplish the things that we need them to accomplish in order to be successful if/when our running game is slowed down (as it has been on a couple of notable occasions)

and i think it's weird to limit yourself to thinking about needing a big-bodied, chain-moving, red-zone threat and pretend that your ideas about WR play aren't somewhat out-dated and the idea that you can just expect to get that type of guy on day 2 and plug him in is no guarantee either

if we get a guy with a big frame then great, but that's low down my list of priorities in a WR to add to this corps - and probably worth pointing out that there might only be 2 or 3 guys who're 6'2+ who get taken before the end of day 2 anyway

why is it that you've specifically pinpointed a big-bodied, chain mover as the type of piece to round out this WR corps? and who is it that you think can/will be that guy?

i also think your ideas of fandom are fairly gate-keepy - by whose scales should fans be adjudged to be "reasonable" - fans can be fans in any way they like - they dont have to be reasonable, they don't have to have reasonable expectations - it can be annoying when they dont but people are allowed to support their teams however they want - they are allowed to be as stupid and unreasonable as they want - i would think that the only thing that a fanbase MUST be is fans...
 

rmcjacket23

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I’m sorry, I’m trying to at least get along with you and see your perspective because you actually do your research and think your posts out. But how is it funny when we need to improve in an area and we don’t? So totally hilarious right?
Well, it would be funny for several reasons:
1. Fans thinking that the first round of the draft is the only place you could improve your roster or get a good player. Spoiler... extremely false.
2. Saying we need to improve an area by adding more adds is neither a guaranteed way to improve the area, nor does it really mean the area needed improvement at all. Improvement can come in many, many, many forms. Some of those forms, include, better coaching, better schemes, better play calling, and in a lot of cases, players already on the roster simply playing better.

I'm more concerned about our lack of a perceived pass rush at the moment. I'm more concerned about our Oline at the moment (by a wide margin). I'd also like us to make upgrades on the Dline, at Safety and add depth in a lot of other places.

And I can't really say that WR is significantly higher priority at this point than any single one of them. So yes, IF we address one of those other positions in the first round, and fans lose their mind because they're too narrow-minded to understand that there are 6 other rounds in a draft and many good players will come from those rounds, I will 100% find it amusing. And I don't feel bad about that in the slightest.
 

rossihunter2

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Bottom line is this. If teams respect our passing game, as at least they partially did in 2019, we have more air to breathe when we do run. If they think our passing game is a complete joke, it doesn’t really matter how good we can run, we will still get at least sorta shut down against solid playoff teams. That means we need a guy who is respected at the very least for one reason or another. I’m not here pounding the table for Nuke or Diggs/Thomas, I’m here saying we need more than projects, a decent WR who is often hurt, and Hollywood. That’s all I’m saying

the passing game took off in 2019 with spread concepts, with lamar able to operate out of empty backfields as a passer - that requires an offensive line

as much as i think we need to upgrade weapons to be able to beat man coverage when teams nullify the run (somewhat), give lamar a pocket to work with and you'll see this passing game improve dramatically

in 2020, after stanley went down, the offence became much more run-heavy, used a ton of tight-formations and rarely ever let lamar drop back without play-action of some sort - and very few downfield shots that took time to develop - the OL could not protect lamar long enough in pass pro for them to be able to execute a downfield or spread passing attack

i agree with you that we need another weapon (and agree with you that it doesn't necessarily have to be a dominant receiver - just has to be an impact contributor who can win vs man coverage) - but i think it should not be forgotten just how pivotal the OL is

you look at the way the season ended against the bills - we're driving to tie the game and the OL on the right side gets the pass pro disastrously wrong (in combo with Jk Dobbins) - hollywood was open for a stroll in td and lamar tried to get him the ball but couldn't do it because he had pressure hitting him as he released the ball and couldnt put any velocity behind the ball... next play lamar throws the pick 6... 2 plays later mekari snaps the ball over lamar's head and he gets concussed and the season's over...

yes the pick is on lamar - he just didn't see the DB lurking underneath in the shallow zone (but those plays happen to everyone, it's just frustrating that lamar's happened in the redzone in the divisional round - first redzone pick he's ever thrown too) - but consistently all year, the OL could not pass protect
 

rossihunter2

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Well, it would be funny for several reasons:
1. Fans thinking that the first round of the draft is the only place you could improve your roster or get a good player. Spoiler... extremely false.
2. Saying we need to improve an area by adding more adds is neither a guaranteed way to improve the area, nor does it really mean the area needed improvement at all. Improvement can come in many, many, many forms. Some of those forms, include, better coaching, better schemes, better play calling, and in a lot of cases, players already on the roster simply playing better.

I'm more concerned about our lack of a perceived pass rush at the moment. I'm more concerned about our Oline at the moment (by a wide margin). I'd also like us to make upgrades on the Dline, at Safety and add depth in a lot of other places.

And I can't really say that WR is significantly higher priority at this point than any single one of them. So yes, IF we address one of those other positions in the first round, and fans lose their mind because they're too narrow-minded to understand that there are 6 other rounds in a draft and many good players will come from those rounds, I will 100% find it amusing. And I don't feel bad about that in the slightest.

in terms of pass rush - i think this is a very interesting article...

https://theathletic.co.uk/2533323/2...ove-how-much-baltimore-covets-pass-rush-help/

because as much as i'd love to add a pass rusher - and i think we will - i really do think it's the "need" position that we're more likely to leave until later
 

rmcjacket23

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right but there are different philosophies about adding weapons that aren't rooted in yards and statistical accumulation

i want the ravens to add another weapon because i think that creates matchup issues for defences partly because of our running game - i want another weapon because i dont think the stable we have is able to accomplish the things that we need them to accomplish in order to be successful if/when our running game is slowed down (as it has been on a couple of notable occasions)

and i think it's weird to limit yourself to thinking about needing a big-bodied, chain-moving, red-zone threat and pretend that your ideas about WR play aren't somewhat out-dated and the idea that you can just expect to get that type of guy on day 2 and plug him in is no guarantee either

if we get a guy with a big frame then great, but that's low down my list of priorities in a WR to add to this corps - and probably worth pointing out that there might only be 2 or 3 guys who're 6'2+ who get taken before the end of day 2 anyway

why is it that you've specifically pinpointed a big-bodied, chain mover as the type of piece to round out this WR corps? and who is it that you think can/will be that guy?

i also think your ideas of fandom are fairly gate-keepy - by whose scales should fans be adjudged to be "reasonable" - fans can be fans in any way they like - they dont have to be reasonable, they don't have to have reasonable expectations - it can be annoying when they dont but people are allowed to support their teams however they want - they are allowed to be as stupid and unreasonable as they want - i would think that the only thing that a fanbase MUST be is fans...
Well, primarily, I'd like to see our passing game expand to throwing outside the numbers. And I think there are certain receivers (and tight ends) that prefer to work the middle of the field, and that's sort of where I think our grouping is now. Now that could be somewhat predicated on play calling and what Roman wants, but I just haven't sort of seen that.

I'd like to see us get a Boldin type. I don't have a lot of confidence in our guys on 3rd and medium at this point. I think a lot of our conversions on 3rd downs are mostly predicated on Lamar making plays and creating openings.

I would also say that our red zone efficiency dropped pretty significantly last season, and I'd like to see us be able to attack that much better in the passing game.
 

rmcjacket23

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in terms of pass rush - i think this is a very interesting article...

https://theathletic.co.uk/2533323/2...ove-how-much-baltimore-covets-pass-rush-help/

because as much as i'd love to add a pass rusher - and i think we will - i really do think it's the "need" position that we're more likely to leave until later
I have zero expectation that an EDGE player will be taken in the first round. It would actually just surprise me. Based on the scouting reports I've read, its just not the year for it.

Dline I think is an option. Oline is a major option. Safety is the wildcard that every single beat writer I've heard has suggested that the Ravens are extremely interested in upgrading, and I think that's a tough position typically to upgrade later in the draft, i.e. if we're going that route, it'll be early, and possibly as early as #27.

Oline, Safety, WR, Dline. That would be the four, in order, of where I would bet pick 27 comes in at.

Trading out of the first all together is also very possible, per usual. There's very little differences in most drafts between the guys you're getting in the late 20s and the guys you're getting in the late 30s. If you can get somebody to move up to 27 and still stay in the 30s and pick up a couple other picks, that would 100% be something I'd strongly consider.
 

rossihunter2

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Well, primarily, I'd like to see our passing game expand to throwing outside the numbers. And I think there are certain receivers (and tight ends) that prefer to work the middle of the field, and that's sort of where I think our grouping is now. Now that could be somewhat predicated on play calling and what Roman wants, but I just haven't sort of seen that.

I'd like to see us get a Boldin type. I don't have a lot of confidence in our guys on 3rd and medium at this point. I think a lot of our conversions on 3rd downs are mostly predicated on Lamar making plays and creating openings.

I would also say that our red zone efficiency dropped pretty significantly last season, and I'd like to see us be able to attack that much better in the passing game.

i guess my question is - why do you think a big-bodied chain-move is the style of guy that will be successful here?

im not saying they wont be but i just find it interesting that you've got such a stylistic preference

also i do get frustrated by (not just you but everywhere in the fanbase) talking about boldin-types... there arent many or any guys like boldin to ever play the game - certainly not in the decade plus ive been watching - we're talking about a borderline HOF calibre WR but definitely "Hall of very good" WR who's almost a unicorn

and what i'd say is that there's lots of different ways to convert 3rd and medium but i agree that i dont have a ton of confidence in the existing WR corps to get that done right now
 

rossihunter2

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I have zero expectation that an EDGE player will be taken in the first round. It would actually just surprise me. Based on the scouting reports I've read, its just not the year for it.

Dline I think is an option. Oline is a major option. Safety is the wildcard that every single beat writer I've heard has suggested that the Ravens are extremely interested in upgrading, and I think that's a tough position typically to upgrade later in the draft, i.e. if we're going that route, it'll be early, and possibly as early as #27.

Oline, Safety, WR, Dline. That would be the four, in order, of where I would bet pick 27 comes in at.

Trading out of the first all together is also very possible, per usual. There's very little differences in most drafts between the guys you're getting in the late 20s and the guys you're getting in the late 30s. If you can get somebody to move up to 27 and still stay in the 30s and pick up a couple other picks, that would 100% be something I'd strongly consider.

i would say DL is even less likely than EDGE - this is the worst DL class ive ever seen and there's only 1 guy who probably has a realistic shot of going in round 1 and he's not a great run defender - which makes it exceedingly unlikely he'll be a ravens 1st round pick

safety is generally devalued in the league (in terms of draft capital) and there's no obvious standout guy who'd obviously be worthy of a 1st round pick - Moehrig is the only one who ever seems to feature in mocks (obviously i get that they're not the be all end all) - i honestly think it's more likely a corner is BPA than a safety - it's a strong DB class generally and i think there's a ton of depth on day 2 at DB - would not surprise me in the least for us to grab a falling DB somewhere on day 2 but i would be very surprised if S is the pick in round 1

OL is definitely a possibility - the top 4 OTs are likely gone before we pick and I'm not sure the next tier of guys would be BPA (based on fit and talent) when the ravens get on the clock at 27 - OG or C is definitely a possibility but Dickerson has a ton of injury concerns although if they were satisfied with the medicals then he'd be a no-brainer, Humphrey i like a lot too and would make a ton of sense at 27 but it seems like media is a lot lower on him, and Davis and Trey Smith probably aren't BPA at 27 on any team's boards...

WR is definitely possible, probably even tbh - just based on where the talent is - i'd say given the news about marshall jr's medicals, the likelihood of WR at 27 has massively shot down though - but Bateman would make a ton of sense, as would elijah moore (although that would be a surprising ravens pick) - and marshall would make a ton of sense too if the medicals were ok'ed by the ravens

I do think EDGE is still a round 1 possibility but i dont think it's a position that we'll reach on - if we take an EDGE at 27 it's because they were far and away the best player on our board - and i think the only guy who could get to 27 for whom that's likely to be the case is Jaelan Phillips

im finding it really hard this year to pinpoint 1) who might be available at 27 and 2) who the ravens might value at 27

i've had a pretty decent sense in recent years of who we'd be picking and who'd be in range but im really struggling this year

until the marshall news came out i felt like there was a pretty high chance he'd be the guy but im not so sure now

but i'd still say that a WR with our first pick (just because of how the board stacks) seems fairly likely to me
 

rossihunter2

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I will say this - i think the big wildcard would be if an athletic and talented corner falls to us at 27 - could we pass up caleb farley or greg newsome ii at 27... i think with farley's back issue i could pass on him but im not sure i could pass on newsome there even with the existing depth at corner
 

ndub

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i would say DL is even less likely than EDGE - this is the worst DL class ive ever seen and there's only 1 guy who probably has a realistic shot of going in round 1 and he's not a great run defender - which makes it exceedingly unlikely he'll be a ravens 1st round pick

safety is generally devalued in the league (in terms of draft capital) and there's no obvious standout guy who'd obviously be worthy of a 1st round pick - Moehrig is the only one who ever seems to feature in mocks (obviously i get that they're not the be all end all) - i honestly think it's more likely a corner is BPA than a safety - it's a strong DB class generally and i think there's a ton of depth on day 2 at DB - would not surprise me in the least for us to grab a falling DB somewhere on day 2 but i would be very surprised if S is the pick in round 1

OL is definitely a possibility - the top 4 OTs are likely gone before we pick and I'm not sure the next tier of guys would be BPA (based on fit and talent) when the ravens get on the clock at 27 - OG or C is definitely a possibility but Dickerson has a ton of injury concerns although if they were satisfied with the medicals then he'd be a no-brainer, Humphrey i like a lot too and would make a ton of sense at 27 but it seems like media is a lot lower on him, and Davis and Trey Smith probably aren't BPA at 27 on any team's boards...

WR is definitely possible, probably even tbh - just based on where the talent is - i'd say given the news about marshall jr's medicals, the likelihood of WR at 27 has massively shot down though - but Bateman would make a ton of sense, as would elijah moore (although that would be a surprising ravens pick) - and marshall would make a ton of sense too if the medicals were ok'ed by the ravens

I do think EDGE is still a round 1 possibility but i dont think it's a position that we'll reach on - if we take an EDGE at 27 it's because they were far and away the best player on our board - and i think the only guy who could get to 27 for whom that's likely to be the case is Jaelan Phillips

im finding it really hard this year to pinpoint 1) who might be available at 27 and 2) who the ravens might value at 27

i've had a pretty decent sense in recent years of who we'd be picking and who'd be in range but im really struggling this year

until the marshall news came out i felt like there was a pretty high chance he'd be the guy but im not so sure now

but i'd still say that a WR with our first pick (just because of how the board stacks) seems fairly likely to me

This is exactly why I think our first pick will be on a Saturday. I’m usually against the whole trade down thing but after more thought about it, it would likely make the most sense
 

Deebo813

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I have zero expectation that an EDGE player will be taken in the first round. It would actually just surprise me. Based on the scouting reports I've read, its just not the year for it.

Dline I think is an option. Oline is a major option. Safety is the wildcard that every single beat writer I've heard has suggested that the Ravens are extremely interested in upgrading, and I think that's a tough position typically to upgrade later in the draft, i.e. if we're going that route, it'll be early, and possibly as early as #27.

Oline, Safety, WR, Dline. That would be the four, in order, of where I would bet pick 27 comes in at.

Trading out of the first all together is also very possible, per usual. There's very little differences in most drafts between the guys you're getting in the late 20s and the guys you're getting in the late 30s. If you can get somebody to move up to 27 and still stay in the 30s and pick up a couple other picks, that would 100% be something I'd strongly consider.
I wouldnt be mad if we drafted a S.. been pleading for one since last offseason. Also, fans will only be upset if we dnt take a wr if someone like moore or bateman is there and we draft a cb instead lol.
 

rossihunter2

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This is exactly why I think our first pick will be on a Saturday. I’m usually against the whole trade down thing but after more thought about it, it would likely make the most sense

i just dont think that in this class the difference in talent between the guy we take at 27 and the guy we could take in the mid-40s is going to be that different (im not saying we should trade down 20 picks necessarily) - but if i look at my board - the 27nd ranked guy and the 44th ranked guy are in the same grade tier - and there's 6 more guys in the tier above (which is like a half-step up in grades terms)

so the difference on my board between the 21st player and the 44th is not much at all - which makes it much less likely that a top player (top 20 in this case) falls to us at 27 - in terms of my grades it seems (based on mocks etc.) that there are only 3 or 4 guys who have a chance to fall from that group: jaelan phillips and rashod bateman and greg newsome/caleb farley (1 of them but not both) ... the wildcard would be darrisaw falling too

but unless that happens i think trading down is the obvious answer - the question then would be, how do you find a partner to come up because it's fairly likely lots of teams would feel similarly...

but trading down feels like the ideal - maybe the jets are coming up for a defensive talent, maybe a team's coming up for one of the corners to try and get ahead of the saints, maybe someone really badly wants the 5th year option on one of the tackles and wants to make sure they're ahead of the chiefs...
 

Dom McRaven

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you look at the way the season ended against the bills - we're driving to tie the game and the OL on the right side gets the pass pro disastrously wrong (in combo with Jk Dobbins) - hollywood was open for a stroll in td and lamar tried to get him the ball but couldn't do it because he had pressure hitting him as he released the ball and couldnt put any velocity behind the ball... next play lamar throws the pick 6... 2 plays later mekari snaps the ball over lamar's head and he gets concussed and the season's over...

yes the pick is on lamar - he just didn't see the DB lurking underneath in the shallow zone (but those plays happen to everyone, it's just frustrating that lamar's happened in the redzone in the divisional round - first redzone pick he's ever thrown too) - but consistently all year, the OL could not pass protect
If only Lamar wasn't on the Madden cover, we'd prolly have a better chance to win that game. But then again.......I was told by folks that Madden Curse is dead. I'm still waiting on people who believed this to come forward. My Pit of Misery has been a little quiet as of late.
 

ndub

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If only Lamar wasn't on the Madden cover, we'd prolly have a better chance to win that game. But then again.......I was told by folks that Madden Curse is dead. I'm still waiting on people who believed this to come forward. My Pit of Misery has been a little quiet as of late.

It is dead lol. Mahomes literally won a freaking super bowl and super bowl mvp award when he was on there.
 

ndub

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i just dont think that in this class the difference in talent between the guy we take at 27 and the guy we could take in the mid-40s is going to be that different (im not saying we should trade down 20 picks necessarily) - but if i look at my board - the 27nd ranked guy and the 44th ranked guy are in the same grade tier - and there's 6 more guys in the tier above (which is like a half-step up in grades terms)

so the difference on my board between the 21st player and the 44th is not much at all - which makes it much less likely that a top player (top 20 in this case) falls to us at 27 - in terms of my grades it seems (based on mocks etc.) that there are only 3 or 4 guys who have a chance to fall from that group: jaelan phillips and rashod bateman and greg newsome/caleb farley (1 of them but not both) ... the wildcard would be darrisaw falling too

but unless that happens i think trading down is the obvious answer - the question then would be, how do you find a partner to come up because it's fairly likely lots of teams would feel similarly...

but trading down feels like the ideal - maybe the jets are coming up for a defensive talent, maybe a team's coming up for one of the corners to try and get ahead of the saints, maybe someone really badly wants the 5th year option on one of the tackles and wants to make sure they're ahead of the chiefs...

Same here and I hate it but it seems like the best outcome depending on a few things
 

rmcjacket23

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i would say DL is even less likely than EDGE - this is the worst DL class ive ever seen and there's only 1 guy who probably has a realistic shot of going in round 1 and he's not a great run defender - which makes it exceedingly unlikely he'll be a ravens 1st round pick

safety is generally devalued in the league (in terms of draft capital) and there's no obvious standout guy who'd obviously be worthy of a 1st round pick - Moehrig is the only one who ever seems to feature in mocks (obviously i get that they're not the be all end all) - i honestly think it's more likely a corner is BPA than a safety - it's a strong DB class generally and i think there's a ton of depth on day 2 at DB - would not surprise me in the least for us to grab a falling DB somewhere on day 2 but i would be very surprised if S is the pick in round 1

OL is definitely a possibility - the top 4 OTs are likely gone before we pick and I'm not sure the next tier of guys would be BPA (based on fit and talent) when the ravens get on the clock at 27 - OG or C is definitely a possibility but Dickerson has a ton of injury concerns although if they were satisfied with the medicals then he'd be a no-brainer, Humphrey i like a lot too and would make a ton of sense at 27 but it seems like media is a lot lower on him, and Davis and Trey Smith probably aren't BPA at 27 on any team's boards...

WR is definitely possible, probably even tbh - just based on where the talent is - i'd say given the news about marshall jr's medicals, the likelihood of WR at 27 has massively shot down though - but Bateman would make a ton of sense, as would elijah moore (although that would be a surprising ravens pick) - and marshall would make a ton of sense too if the medicals were ok'ed by the ravens

I do think EDGE is still a round 1 possibility but i dont think it's a position that we'll reach on - if we take an EDGE at 27 it's because they were far and away the best player on our board - and i think the only guy who could get to 27 for whom that's likely to be the case is Jaelan Phillips

im finding it really hard this year to pinpoint 1) who might be available at 27 and 2) who the ravens might value at 27

i've had a pretty decent sense in recent years of who we'd be picking and who'd be in range but im really struggling this year

until the marshall news came out i felt like there was a pretty high chance he'd be the guy but im not so sure now

but i'd still say that a WR with our first pick (just because of how the board stacks) seems fairly likely to me
I generally don't put much stock in "devalued Safety" when it comes to the Ravens, because I'd argue they value Safety more than anybody else in the league. They had Reed forever, they paid Weddle, they paid ET. I like our safeties now, but neither are world-beaters and I know they want a play maker on the back end.

Agree with the difficulty in narrowing the field. I think there's like 10-15 guys in this class that are really good that will go early, and I think there's like 50 guys after that are all in the same group talent/skill wise, just with varying degrees of upsides/downsides. I think there's going to be a wide net of players drafted after the 12-15 range, including guys some people have never heard of, and guys that people weren't expecting to go as high as they did.
 

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Cmon guys lets not convince ourselves that our offense is anything like kc.. yes both brown and hill and short and fast... andrews and kelce are both big targets.. mahommes and lamar are both electric in their own way. Thats literally it. None of our players can replicate what theyre doing at all. Even if we threw the ball as much as them it still wouldnt look as good. We are good at what we do so just leave it at that
Deebo wait and watch this year. Our offense especially our passing offense won't look like any other year. It'll be different and way better. Will we look like KC? No we won't and we don't need to. We are going to be a vastly superior offense that can kill teams in multiple ways unlike KC. That is the fundamental difference of having a QB as talented as Lamar. Let's just leave it at that for now eh?
 
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