given they've got 200 players on their board, it would be impossible for their board to have been wiped out - which suggests that they do really like him...
just hard for non-nfl personnel to find out anything about him
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given they've got 200 players on their board, it would be impossible for their board to have been wiped out - which suggests that they do really like him...
just hard for non-nfl personnel to find out anything about him
BmoreDuck
Practice Squad
This has been one of the oddest Ravens draft ever. The FO is certainly taking some projects. I really like the Bateman pick. I think he will be a great target for LJ8. Reminds me a lot of Keenan Allen. He should open things up for Hollywood and Andrews as well. Definitely happy with that pick.
I wasn't too thrilled on the Oweh pick. There's a lot of trusting in the coaches deveopment with this one. Dude is definitely made in a lab physically, but the production just wasn't there. Super raw prospect so I'm not expecting much from him for 2-3 years and that's if his production will actually meet his physical prowess.
Honestly, outside of Suggs the deveopment of edge guys hasn't been overly stellar in Baltimore and Suggs came in pretty much ready made. We've seen some "athletes" come to BMore who were much more productive in college than Oweh, not get developed. Kindle, Tim Williams, Ferg, Bowser(still in wait & see mode I guess) were all far more productive than Oweh was in college and none of them made much of an impact, if any at all. He just seems like the type of guy you take in the 2nd or 3rd rd; not a late 1st rounder. Especially when there were better options still on the board; even edge rushers of that's the way you would want to go.I would have taken the kid from UGA or ND over Oweh. I guess we'll see if EDC is a mad scientist.
Bredsen is an okay pick. I'd give it a B-ish. And this most recent pick, Stephens, is a total head scratcher imo. Was he even on anyone's big board? I've legit never even heard of him? Just seems like a guy they could have got in the late rounds. Maybe he turns into a stud. I'm guessing he plays nickel or safety. So far Bateman is the only pick I am really excited about.
With Oweh being a project I really hope the FO gets Houston at the very least. We need immediate help off the edge or we are just going to have another sub par year of rushing the pass and Wink having to send the house on every down to manufacture some kind of pass rush. And our OL is still going to be suspect. So far I don't think this draft has increased our odds of making a serious SB run. Bateman should help our passing game, but Lamar is most likely gping to be running for his life again and the secondary will have to continue to make up for the lack of a plus pass rush.
EDC is not doing his best Ozzie impression in this draft. At least on paper he's not. Hopefully 3/4 of the picks exceed my expectations. I'll jump off my soapbox now. Just had to get that off my chest.
I wasn't too thrilled on the Oweh pick. There's a lot of trusting in the coaches deveopment with this one. Dude is definitely made in a lab physically, but the production just wasn't there. Super raw prospect so I'm not expecting much from him for 2-3 years and that's if his production will actually meet his physical prowess.
Honestly, outside of Suggs the deveopment of edge guys hasn't been overly stellar in Baltimore and Suggs came in pretty much ready made. We've seen some "athletes" come to BMore who were much more productive in college than Oweh, not get developed. Kindle, Tim Williams, Ferg, Bowser(still in wait & see mode I guess) were all far more productive than Oweh was in college and none of them made much of an impact, if any at all. He just seems like the type of guy you take in the 2nd or 3rd rd; not a late 1st rounder. Especially when there were better options still on the board; even edge rushers of that's the way you would want to go.I would have taken the kid from UGA or ND over Oweh. I guess we'll see if EDC is a mad scientist.
Bredsen is an okay pick. I'd give it a B-ish. And this most recent pick, Stephens, is a total head scratcher imo. Was he even on anyone's big board? I've legit never even heard of him? Just seems like a guy they could have got in the late rounds. Maybe he turns into a stud. I'm guessing he plays nickel or safety. So far Bateman is the only pick I am really excited about.
With Oweh being a project I really hope the FO gets Houston at the very least. We need immediate help off the edge or we are just going to have another sub par year of rushing the pass and Wink having to send the house on every down to manufacture some kind of pass rush. And our OL is still going to be suspect. So far I don't think this draft has increased our odds of making a serious SB run. Bateman should help our passing game, but Lamar is most likely gping to be running for his life again and the secondary will have to continue to make up for the lack of a plus pass rush.
EDC is not doing his best Ozzie impression in this draft. At least on paper he's not. Hopefully 3/4 of the picks exceed my expectations. I'll jump off my soapbox now. Just had to get that off my chest.
Ravensnation5220
Ravens Ring of Honor
NP its def a pain in the ass to go through 3 hours of a game though to find a couple plays though lmao
Ravensnation5220
Ravens Ring of Honor
His only pick but some impressive ball skills there. Also the fact that hes had his hands on 22 passes over 2 years after switching positions is impressive.
i was more impressed with that initial read to let the inside guy go and get in phase without peaking at the outside WR behind him
Ravensnation5220
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Ya idk how to find more on this kid outside twitter and what not. Just gonna have to hope and pray he pans out lmao
ive already scanned twitter and couldnt find much at all lol
Stephens may be great - and he may turn out great
but I'd be way more hyped if we'd drafted Johnson or Washington - that's probably a me problem rather than a ravens problem but it still leaves me underwhelmed
but that being said, a lot of teams seem to have been taking "weird" guys this year - probably the weird nature of the draft and the year massively impacting everything
but im very happy we got Bateman
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
This is pretty interesting. I typically lean slightly more pessimistic than optimistic. So I think I'm in the minority here, but I think the draft has been pretty excellent given the circumstances.
1 Bateman was clearly BPA at a position of need.
Nothing else needs to be said excellent pick.
2 Oweh has everything you could want physically and effort wise. Hes also super new to the game and should be very coachable. He's also as EDC and Wink said, extremely quick to the QB. I think this is a great upside pick. Recall our defense was pretty great last year and that was with literally bum ass production from Yannick, Judon, and Ferguson with regards to sacks. I struggle to believe Oweh is worse than the Ravens version of Yannick. Also, we retained Bowser and will likely bring in Houston. Maybe it's just me but we may find Oweh + Houston > Judon + Ngakoue.
3 Cleveland is an animal. Bozeman returns to his natural position at C, that probably at base removes our snapping issues. Then wither Cleveland or Powers plays LG. If Cleveland wins that job its probably because he's a stud. The team would have been happy with him in the second. If he's not ready, Powers is a good guard and he would be moving back to his natural position as well. Dont count out the LG will now be between Stanley and Bozeman. Stanley, Cleveland, Bozeman Zeitler or Stanley, Powers, Bozeman, Zeitler is going to be very strong. Cleveland at least again due to intangibles gives us an opportunity to get an above average player as opposed to just average. Good pick, potentially great if he is who they think he is.
4 Stephens. Dude is an athlete. 22 pass breakups in 2 years to a position he's new too. Also, guess what. Theres zero need for him this year. The kid will be a big time special teamer and will have the opportunity to learn under our mentors how to play safety. Hes got all the physical tools to do it, just gotta happen. We believe in coaching up DBs and I think that's reasonable.
In a draft where everything was shook the fuck up, we took what should be a sure thing with our top pick and physical specimens with good work ethics at positions of need. We needed oline depth, safety depth, and were dying for an edge. We believe we can get these guys going. Add in AV and JH as free agents and this team should be rocking.
I'm fired up, hope you all can eventually join me
1 Bateman was clearly BPA at a position of need.
Nothing else needs to be said excellent pick.
2 Oweh has everything you could want physically and effort wise. Hes also super new to the game and should be very coachable. He's also as EDC and Wink said, extremely quick to the QB. I think this is a great upside pick. Recall our defense was pretty great last year and that was with literally bum ass production from Yannick, Judon, and Ferguson with regards to sacks. I struggle to believe Oweh is worse than the Ravens version of Yannick. Also, we retained Bowser and will likely bring in Houston. Maybe it's just me but we may find Oweh + Houston > Judon + Ngakoue.
3 Cleveland is an animal. Bozeman returns to his natural position at C, that probably at base removes our snapping issues. Then wither Cleveland or Powers plays LG. If Cleveland wins that job its probably because he's a stud. The team would have been happy with him in the second. If he's not ready, Powers is a good guard and he would be moving back to his natural position as well. Dont count out the LG will now be between Stanley and Bozeman. Stanley, Cleveland, Bozeman Zeitler or Stanley, Powers, Bozeman, Zeitler is going to be very strong. Cleveland at least again due to intangibles gives us an opportunity to get an above average player as opposed to just average. Good pick, potentially great if he is who they think he is.
4 Stephens. Dude is an athlete. 22 pass breakups in 2 years to a position he's new too. Also, guess what. Theres zero need for him this year. The kid will be a big time special teamer and will have the opportunity to learn under our mentors how to play safety. Hes got all the physical tools to do it, just gotta happen. We believe in coaching up DBs and I think that's reasonable.
In a draft where everything was shook the fuck up, we took what should be a sure thing with our top pick and physical specimens with good work ethics at positions of need. We needed oline depth, safety depth, and were dying for an edge. We believe we can get these guys going. Add in AV and JH as free agents and this team should be rocking.
I'm fired up, hope you all can eventually join me
if i were to self-assess my own attitude towards the draft, i think it's very telling that i'd feel completely differently about this draft class if i liked the stephens pick - Bateman for me was a home run, Oweh i could go either way on but feel pretty positive about him (the ceiling is immense), Cleveland also felt like maybe a bit too early but he was a great fit, but stephens i have/had no info on so it's hard to feel positive about him
and because of the stephens pick, it's made me a lot more nervous about cleveland and oweh
Ravensnation5220
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Problem is we cant really find film on him and if we view him as a FS we wont be able to see that for ourselves on tape regardless. We got him on the idea of traits and what we project him to be at the next level. From the little clips they showed after getting drafted he def has recovery speed which translates to range and good ball skills at the high point. Physical player so he checks all the boxes we look for at the safety position minus the experience playing the position
for sure - and until we actually get pro footage of him (because im not holding out hope that any more college stuff becomes available), we'll just have to trust the front office... it's just frustrating lol
i think there's a clear pathway for him to make the team and carve out a role - and even if he's not ready yet, there's still a tried and tested pathway to developing - the same pathway that both chuck and deshon took: special teamer --> dime role (either dimebacker or deep safety in dime) --> starter
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I get that and that's actually extremely reasonable rationale. However, I think Oweh and Cleveland are actually much safer picks than we may be thinking. Oweh can set the edge better than fucking Ferguson. We were dangerously close to trotting him out there. And he's going to get to learn how to become a refined pass rusher. No matter what though, that guy is fast as fuck with good effort. HE WILL MAKE PLAYS.
Cleveland literally gave up a total of 3 pressures and 1 sack his entire career. He's a mammoth and mean. Dont think it was too early at all. We've got a good eye for OLine and we WANTED him. I think he's gonna be stellar to be honest with you. Especially as a space filler between Stanley and Bozeman.
Stephens, we were thinking ST ace with no more Chris Moore and let's groom this athletic freak to be the FS we desperately need depth for. Hes coachable and already has some production. This was not a position we needed this year, high upside potential bust, regardless we needed depth. If we and supposedly other teams liked him, I'm happy to have him as a back of the roster guy.
it's probably more that there were guys i liked more who were available and im just sour still lol
if we get guys i really like in the 4th, my mood of the entire draft probably changes instantly just like it did the moment we drafted Justin Madubuike last year...
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I totally understand that. I think the difference for me is I said I wasn't going to get attached to anyone other than Bateman. So I haven't been let down and I've been able to rationalize the picks. Lets hope we can have a great day 3!!
I just cannot wait for Flex to tell us how much he's going to succeed because he's an absolute dog and the worst case scenario is him becoming Malcolm Jenkins
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Not sure I get what you’re implying here lol, I’m not too thrilled with the pick, really not thrilled with our draft outside of Bateman. I was taking a wait and see approach after we took oweh, and after waiting and seeing the third round, I’m not loving our direction.
this class feels too much like 2019 for my liking.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Yeah that was silky smooth like a mf