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Signings, Cuts, Trades

ndub

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JoeyFlex5 said:
To put it simply, Eric decosta is playing 4D chess.

Flipped a 2018 third round OT for multiple pro bowl seasons and a trade up from late second to late first and multiple picks across days 2/3. Didn’t panic to find a replacement, found a one year stop gap, and a future starter beyond that, didn’t panic in the wr market, instead signed A former top ten pick for a very affordable deal, and landed rashod Bateman and then tylan Wallace in the fourth.

Eric decostas ability to be patient and find great talents for low cost while everyone else empties their pockets to pounce on the only available names, is insane. Yet at the same time, when shit is getting real, he’ll be aggressive af in getting that one last player to round out the squad. I imagine he’s gonna pull a rabbit out his ass for a pass rusher at some point. Might not even be til the season starts.
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EDC is the man amongst men. People freak out when something doesn’t look good at first, but let me assure you that EDC’s track record shows that he has an ultimate plan that everybody needs to be patient for. He’s like Ozzie except he is fully in line with what the current state of the league is
 
ndub

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cdp said:
Edc is making the right moves, but for me it will ultimately come down to Lamar's contract.
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I think trying to be more of a pro offense and going under center, plus putting as many weapons in place as possible is meant to help LJ determine his own fate. Does LJ remain a God at athleticism at the position and a solid QB in terms of passing, or does he become a God at athleticism and a truly elite passer? Athleticism only lasts so long… the key to a long career for LJ will be his progression as a true passer
 
rmcjacket23

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rossihunter2 said:



so the deal's even cheaper than before - looks like it's feasible to potentially keep both next year (although only if villanueva's the starter)
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Precisely what I was thinking. "Up to $9M" usually means (he has a lot of work to do to make that money".

Pay him near or at the veteran minimum to sit on IR this year, and then you get him for basically $2.5M + incentives next year, which would be a respectable contract even if he were the swing tackle. I would fully expect him to beat out Villaneuva in an open competition next year, also.

Pretty savvy move if you ask me. Juwuan likely would have gone unsigned the whole season, so he'll at least make something, and any deal he would have signed next offseason probably wouldn't have been any better than what the Ravens offered, which was minimal salary, little to no guaranteed money, and a lot of incentives.

Ravens basically paying $500K this year to not have to play the market valuation game with other teams next year.
 
Sandtown

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JAAM said:


Is he going to be our starter when he’s fully healthy? Is Ale a one year rental? I’m a bit confused by this signing… was James a fantastic RT when healthy?
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This moves shows that The Ravens are bit concerned about their tackle depth especially at right tackle. Ronnie Stanley may possibly still miss some games which we all know Alejandro Vllanueva can help fill in if possible but the jury still out on if Tyre Philips can play solid enough at the tackle position and he originally was drafted to play at the guard position. This signing of Juwan James is basicially a solid emergency back up plan if things don't go the way The Ravens envision.
 
rmcjacket23

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cdp said:
Edc is making the right moves, but for me it will ultimately come down to Lamar's contract.
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Well I think he kind of already told you... when you're looking to buy a Ferrari, there aren't really any discounts.

The price is going to be the price. It will be large, it will be lengthy, and it'll have a lot of guaranteed money in it.
 
rmcjacket23

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Sandtown said:
This moves shows that The Ravens are bit concerned about their tackle depth especially at right tackle. Ronnie Stanley may possibly still miss some games which we all know Alejandro Vllanueva can help fill in if possible but the jury still out on if Tyre Philips can play solid enough at the tackle position and he originally was drafted to play at the guard position. This signing of Juwan James is basicially a solid emergency back up plan if things don't go the way The Ravens envision.
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True, but James is highly unlikely to suit up this year. More of a stance that they want competition going into 2022, and they're taking a low risk flier on somebody that really was a pretty good RT when he was healthy.
If they had true concerns about RT in 2021, then this signing doesn't really change that.
 
Dom McRaven

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So basically, this is EDC's mood right now:

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rossihunter2

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JoeyFlex5 said:
To put it simply, Eric decosta is playing 4D chess.

Flipped a 2018 third round OT for multiple pro bowl seasons and a trade up from late second to late first and multiple picks across days 2/3. Didn’t panic to find a replacement, found a one year stop gap, and a future starter beyond that, didn’t panic in the wr market, instead signed A former top ten pick for a very affordable deal, and landed rashod Bateman and then tylan Wallace in the fourth.

Eric decostas ability to be patient and find great talents for low cost while everyone else empties their pockets to pounce on the only available names, is insane. Yet at the same time, when shit is getting real, he’ll be aggressive af in getting that one last player to round out the squad. I imagine he’s gonna pull a rabbit out his ass for a pass rusher at some point. Might not even be til the season starts.
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he is simultaneously aggressive and patient - too early to say how this will all look in hindsight but he's done pretty great work in the free agency and trade market since he took over - retaining and acquiring talent - the only obvious misstep in that sense is earl thomas
 
ndub

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rossihunter2 said:
he is simultaneously aggressive and patient - too early to say how this will all look in hindsight but he's done pretty great work in the free agency and trade market since he took over - retaining and acquiring talent - the only obvious misstep in that sense is earl thomas
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First year blunder. But at the time of signing him, can you truly blame him? ET was a guy cut in the mold of Ed Reed. To that point, except for the obvious injury, he had played like an all-pro. Not really EDC’s fault for signing a guy like that
 
rossihunter2

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rmcjacket23 said:
Precisely what I was thinking. "Up to $9M" usually means (he has a lot of work to do to make that money".

Pay him near or at the veteran minimum to sit on IR this year, and then you get him for basically $2.5M + incentives next year, which would be a respectable contract even if he were the swing tackle. I would fully expect him to beat out Villaneuva in an open competition next year, also.

Pretty savvy move if you ask me. Juwuan likely would have gone unsigned the whole season, so he'll at least make something, and any deal he would have signed next offseason probably wouldn't have been any better than what the Ravens offered, which was minimal salary, little to no guaranteed money, and a lot of incentives.

Ravens basically paying $500K this year to not have to play the market valuation game with other teams next year.
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and there's a chance he's available later in the year towards the end of the season - it's been 2 months since the injury and you're looking at normally an 11 month recovery but best case you're looking at 8-9 months which would put him back in the fold potentially just in time for the playoffs

not likely but not out of the question
 
rossihunter2

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Sandtown said:
This moves shows that The Ravens are bit concerned about their tackle depth especially at right tackle. Ronnie Stanley may possibly still miss some games which we all know Alejandro Vllanueva can help fill in if possible but the jury still out on if Tyre Philips can play solid enough at the tackle position and he originally was drafted to play at the guard position. This signing of Juwan James is basicially a solid emergency back up plan if things don't go the way The Ravens envision.
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this is more of a future move - there's absolutely no chance that James is ready to go in any reasonable time as cover for either villanueva or stanley because he only did his injury a couple of months ago
 
rossihunter2

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rmcjacket23 said:
True, but James is highly unlikely to suit up this year. More of a stance that they want competition going into 2022, and they're taking a low risk flier on somebody that really was a pretty good RT when he was healthy.
If they had true concerns about RT in 2021, then this signing doesn't really change that.
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and it also doesnt really change the cap scenario either - basically no impact on the cap - in fact combined with the Edwards extension the ravens have actually made 1m in space today... these were moves made thinking about beyond this year - the james deal especially has basically no impact on the teams plans in 2021 so wouldn't read anything more into it about the state of other players on the roster - all it says to me is that james is a valuable enough guy that they'd risk taking him on as an injury just to have him around in 2022
 
rossihunter2

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Sizzle said:
First year blunder. But at the time of signing him, can you truly blame him? ET was a guy cut in the mold of Ed Reed. To that point, except for the obvious injury, he had played like an all-pro. Not really EDC’s fault for signing a guy like that
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not but he has said that the process was somewhat rushed because they werent expecting CJ to get sniped for that much money and ET was available and they moved onto him without having ever spoken or interacted with him - not like they didnt know him as a player at all but they didn't know about him as a person which is where that signing failed and EDC has readily admitted that that was his failure and that's why that happened and didn't pan out the way it did
 
redrum52

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Sizzle said:
First year blunder. But at the time of signing him, can you truly blame him? ET was a guy cut in the mold of Ed Reed. To that point, except for the obvious injury, he had played like an all-pro. Not really EDC’s fault for signing a guy like that
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Yeah. Feels like the only misstep was ET and that move felt like a force due to the Beckham trade.
 
ndub

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rossihunter2 said:
not but he has said that the process was somewhat rushed because they werent expecting CJ to get sniped for that much money and ET was available and they moved onto him without having ever spoken or interacted with him - not like they didnt know him as a player at all but they didn't know about him as a person which is where that signing failed and EDC has readily admitted that that was his failure and that's why that happened and didn't pan out the way it did
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1) If the career trajectory was the same for CJ here as it is for the Jets, thank God we didn’t bring him back

2) I see where he’s said that. However, hindsight is 20/20… at the time of signing no one knew that ET was as bad of a headcase as he was (yeah he was dumb for flipping the coaches off for rushing him back without him having some kind of excellent exalting place before injury), especially when compared to his immense talent.
 
rossihunter2

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Sizzle said:
1) If the career trajectory was the same for CJ here as it is for the Jets, thank God we didn’t bring him back

2) I see where he’s said that. However, hindsight is 20/20… at the time of signing no one knew that ET was as bad of a headcase as he was (yeah he was dumb for flipping the coaches off for rushing him back without him having some kind of excellent exalting place before injury), especially when compared to his immense talent.
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i mean clearly some guys knew - we just didnt have time to do those sorts of checks because they werent expecting him to be available or that we'd have the capital or cap space to be in on him - he wasnt saying it's a move they'd have got right if they'd done checks, just that they got burned because they weren't able to do those sorts of things

i think it's always tough to say what would happen elsewhere - people forget just how good he was for us and how great he looked in that 1st game he played for the jets before the injury

but yeah, the year off and then opting out has made that deal look bad
 
ndub

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rossihunter2 said:
i mean clearly some guys knew - we just didnt have time to do those sorts of checks because they werent expecting him to be available or that we'd have the capital or cap space to be in on him - he wasnt saying it's a move they'd have got right if they'd done checks, just that they got burned because they weren't able to do those sorts of things

i think it's always tough to say what would happen elsewhere - people forget just how good he was for us and how great he looked in that 1st game he played for the jets before the injury

but yeah, the year off and then opting out has made that deal look bad
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It has honestly made many people question CJs love/and or commitment of the game.
 
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