that was inches away to a game winning pick 6.
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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Browns Edition
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I also can’t help but noticing the individual games are also the same. They had the nfc north and the afc north - we have the nfc n and the afc west. Weeks 1-3 are also the same
Cool stay except the 325 yards part, someone probably did it with like 322 yards lol
JoeyFlex5
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Idk man the 4 turnovers alone is pretty hard to overcome that number doesn’t feel arbitrary
Just to add some to the discussion.
For play action, it isn't predicated on the threat of a run game. Defenses aren't going, "Is the running back a good running back?" I mean, it probably helps to have someone like Chubb over Freeman, but even a back like Freeman can bust a long one against an undisciplined defense.
Play action is designed to prey on disciplined defenses because the defense reads a hat and then works their eyes into the backfield. They're going to read the offensive line putting their head down and stepping downhill and then read the "handoff." If this is sold like a real running play, it's going to be effective play action regardless of how well the running game is working because defenses are reading keys, not box scores.
Funny enough, Greg Roman actually feels like a key to the play action fake being successful is a pulling guard. That's not a common tactic, but it's one Roman believes in.
As for making adjustments in game- that's a really overrated talking point. Halftime adjustments are exceedingly difficult because you have to be able to review what went wrong, come up with what will work, and then change your gameplan in under 15 minutes. Then, you have to relay it all to your team.
Teams spend all week preparing a set of plays and a gameplan for the team they are facing that week. If things go south, it isn't feasible to scrap what you did all week and implement a new gameplan in 15 minutes.
Just two pieces of food for thought.
For play action, it isn't predicated on the threat of a run game. Defenses aren't going, "Is the running back a good running back?" I mean, it probably helps to have someone like Chubb over Freeman, but even a back like Freeman can bust a long one against an undisciplined defense.
Play action is designed to prey on disciplined defenses because the defense reads a hat and then works their eyes into the backfield. They're going to read the offensive line putting their head down and stepping downhill and then read the "handoff." If this is sold like a real running play, it's going to be effective play action regardless of how well the running game is working because defenses are reading keys, not box scores.
Funny enough, Greg Roman actually feels like a key to the play action fake being successful is a pulling guard. That's not a common tactic, but it's one Roman believes in.
As for making adjustments in game- that's a really overrated talking point. Halftime adjustments are exceedingly difficult because you have to be able to review what went wrong, come up with what will work, and then change your gameplan in under 15 minutes. Then, you have to relay it all to your team.
Teams spend all week preparing a set of plays and a gameplan for the team they are facing that week. If things go south, it isn't feasible to scrap what you did all week and implement a new gameplan in 15 minutes.
Just two pieces of food for thought.
Argentina Raven
Practice Squad
I remember Patriots games with Brady, where they did not have a running game, but they walked around the field with passes from 4 to 7 yards, eating the clock, a pass to the side, to the other side in the middle, where he identified a losing cb what riddled
(melvin), I think that today we have that type of wr / Te especially Bateman, and they would be easy shots to lick, because it does not need so much protection time, if we can add the "uptempo" to that (I think they call it that) , where we do not allow changes of players and we chain play after play, we can change the "energy" of the game.
Maybe we ask a lot, maybe we spoil ourselves, but after 3 years I think this offensive faith guy is reaching his ceiling, he needs some new resource
(melvin), I think that today we have that type of wr / Te especially Bateman, and they would be easy shots to lick, because it does not need so much protection time, if we can add the "uptempo" to that (I think they call it that) , where we do not allow changes of players and we chain play after play, we can change the "energy" of the game.
Maybe we ask a lot, maybe we spoil ourselves, but after 3 years I think this offensive faith guy is reaching his ceiling, he needs some new resource
Argentina Raven
Practice Squad
What a tough boy Mayfield, he just fell in the wrong place
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Not surprisingly how well-liked he is by his peers in the league.
Yea I’m aware it’s an incredible perfomance. I was commenting how it’s halarious they always make the stat “the first” of something
What’s crazier is the last time a team won with 4 interceptions was the bengals vs us in week 17 2013. Funny enough, flacco also threw 3 picks that game so inceptions were bound to happen
I am starting to love Justin Ellis. He plays hard. Week 2 vs the chiefs when Kelce broke a 45 yard catch and run, Justin tackled him in the end zone. Ran with it the entire play after rushing the guards. Crazy. Love that effort
I mean also the last 54 times before this game that a team had thrown 4 picks they lost - we just made it 1-54 lol
that’s regardless of yards
But also the ravens have been pretty great at adjusting in the 2nd half this year especially on offence
probably the 2 best coordinators we’ve had in my time watching the ravens in terms of their ability to adjust throughout the game and particularly at halftime
OURavensFan
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I disagree, teams don’t have to respect certain aspects of an offense if it’s been proven to be ineffective. According to your logic the read option should be more effective than it has been this year, but it isn’t because teams don’t have to respect our running backs this year. They certainly don’t have to fear the edge, I can’t watch Freeman fail to get outside again.
It doesn't matter if you disagree; it's how teams are taught to make their defensive reads.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/rushing-success-and-play-action-passing
Here's a pretty detailed article that calls into question that idea that the run game must be effective for play action to work. I know there are other articles, but they all make the same claim- you don't need this explosive running game to be a good play action team. You just need to be able to effectively fake your intentions.
They can make changes within the design of their gameplan for that week's game, but I think some people get this idea that they're going to see brand new plays or brand new schemes out of the team after half and it just doesn't work that way. They planned all week. Drastic changes aren't made in under 15 minutes.
OURavensFan
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Should we attempt to run from under center more? We don’t do anything under center hardly
I don't see much need to go under center if Lamar's not comfortable with it.
Certainly has it's advantages (passing becomes tied to footwork with each read, running backs get a head start when rushing), but if Lamar isn't comfortable under center, what can you do?
OURavensFan
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Should probably be a point of development in the off-season then