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You dragged me into this lol, i was just curious about contract updates
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110%. Thank you
Well Lamar's seasons like this one are on par with Joe's best. So there's a significant ceiling/floor discrepancy between the two.And if he continues tanking, he's perfectly in the Joe Flacco situation then. Stuck with mediocre QB play
Wouldn't require a SB win. An MVP performance and a long playoff run would do the trick. I'm saying with even current QB play, two years from, QBs in general will cost 10-20% more. A $40M a year QB is a $45M QB two years from now, as long as they don't play terribly, which he's not.Unless Lamar wins a Super Bowl next year is the needle really moving that much further away from 40 mil a year? I’d be pumped to have Lamar on the books next year for 23 million and make the deal next off season
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Move on to what? Lamar is, by a landslide, the best QB to ever put on a Ravens jersey. And that's 25 years, so not really that short of a sample size.I think sizzle brings up a fair concern with the Flacco contract. Why not take one additional year to asses Lamar Vs locking yourself in long term? If Lamar wins a super bowl than great , bite the bullet pay him Mahomes money. If he maintains his currently trajectory , great pay him a little more than we would have anyways this off-season. If he continues this odd slump and somehow regresses further, great bullet dodged franchise him or move on
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I don't think he's seeing ghosts. I think he's starting to feel the pressure of being the only playmaker on offense and is forcing things. It's certainly a mental thing but it's the pressure he's putting on himself to do everything right now.
joes rookie deal the ravens sported one of the leagues absolute best run games, o-lines, and defenses, and up until 2010 the ravens were very often winning in spite of flacco.Dude what are you going on about? Have you forgotten how succesful Joe was early in his career? Flacco first four seasons
13-6(2008)
10-8
13-5
13-5( 2011, fuck you cundfif)
Lamar’s a beast and on his way to the greatest Ravens Qb, but Flacco won a ton of games early in his career , just as Lamar has. His regression didn’t start until injury.
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joes rookie deal the ravens sported one of the leagues absolute best run games, o-lines, and defenses, and up until 2010 the ravens were very often winning in spite of flacco.
never at any point did flacco carry the ravens or be THE key cog that absolutely made the ravens go, the same way lamar has. the closest joe ever got to that was a 4 game stretch in the playoffs in which the entire team was playing lights out. the defense was getting sacks and forcing turnovers, both bernard pierce and ray rice were playing like studs, that OL was probably the best unit the ravens have ever had for that 4 game stretch.
there was never a point where if you removed joe from the ravens they would completely fall apart, theyd be mediocre but not completely fall off. these ravens would COMPLETELY fall off without lamar.
there is no comparison.
Wouldn't require a SB win. An MVP performance and a long playoff run would do the trick. I'm saying with even current QB play, two years from, QBs in general will cost 10-20% more. A $40M a year QB is a $45M QB two years from now, as long as they don't play terribly, which he's not.
I understand fans don't think $5M a year is a lot, because fans don't pay anything for it. A good businessman isn't going to think that way.
That’s completely fair, but you won’t need to do a full rebuild if Lamar maintains his current trajectory. We would just pay him a little more next year than we would have this year, while also confirming his recent short comings were an anomaly . The only way we go rebuild is Lamar suffers a major injury or he goes full regression next year. And even then we have the less than ideal franchise tag in case of emergency.
I just like having options , even if it cost Steve a little extra in the long run. Always nice gambling when it’s not your money on the line lol.
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Dude what are you going on about? Have you forgotten how succesful Joe was early in his career? Flacco first four seasons
13-6(2008)
10-8
13-5
13-5( 2011, fuck you cundfif)
Lamar’s a beast and on his way to the greatest Ravens Qb, but Flacco won a ton of games early in his career , just as Lamar has. His regression didn’t start until injury.
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joes rookie deal the ravens sported one of the leagues absolute best run games, o-lines, and defenses, and up until 2010 the ravens were very often winning in spite of flacco.
never at any point did flacco carry the ravens or be THE key cog that absolutely made the ravens go, the same way lamar has. the closest joe ever got to that was a 4 game stretch in the playoffs in which the entire team was playing lights out. the defense was getting sacks and forcing turnovers, both bernard pierce and ray rice were playing like studs, that OL was probably the best unit the ravens have ever had for that 4 game stretch.
there was never a point where if you removed joe from the ravens they would completely fall apart, theyd be mediocre but not completely fall off. these ravens would COMPLETELY fall off without lamar.
there is no comparison.
Ok.. No one was comparing Flacco Vs Lamar individual talent. One individual said how quickly we forget the lack of wins before Lamar. Clearly not that case. Why have nonsensical arguments about who had better weapons, who experienced better drafts, who throws a better ball, who carried their team… It’s a waste of time in a team game when both individuals had a ton of support(or at times lack of support)Joe was a great Qb , Lamar is a great Qb, each with different strengths/weakness
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When the cap raises by 5M to match, I mean I really don’t see a difference there. You have 100M to start, pay a guy 40, you have 60. Cap raises to 105, pay a guy 45, and it’s still 60. Basic math of inflation
“Have you forgotten how successful Joe was early in his career?” And then go on to list the teams record in his early years.Ok.. No one was comparing Flacco Vs Lamar individual talent. One individual said how quickly we forget the lack of wins before Lamar. Clearly not that case. Why have nonsensical arguments about who had better weapons, who experienced better drafts, who throws a better ball, who carried their team… It’s a waste of time in a team game when both individuals had a ton of support(or at times lack of support)Joe was a great Qb , Lamar is a great Qb, each with different strengths/weakness
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cool - but if you pay him 40 when the cap is 100, you're still paying him 40 when it rises to 105...
the earlier you pay them, the more affordable their deals become
My personal opinion is he won't be paid less than Mahomes either in guaranteed money, length or total contract value. It is entirely possible that they try to tie Lamar down to beyond when the new bargaining agreement is signed with the Union too, after the TV contracts. My sense is they'll scale up his salary as a function of cap, but keep it at the same percentage of assumed cap. He will either get more guaranteed money, longer term contract or more money in total than any other NFL player. He is simply that valuable to the team and the NFL. My sense is it'll get done this off season.cool - but if you pay him 40 when the cap is 100, you're still paying him 40 when it rises to 105...
the earlier you pay them, the more affordable their deals become
My personal opinion is he won't be paid less than Mahomes either in guaranteed money, length or total contract value. It is entirely possible that they try to tie Lamar down to beyond when the new bargaining agreement is signed with the Union too, after the TV contracts. My sense is they'll scale up his salary as a function of cap, but keep it at the same percentage of assumed cap. He will either get more guaranteed money, longer term contract or more money in total than any other NFL player. He is simply that valuable to the team and the NFL. My sense is it'll get done this off season.
ps: I have a vested interest in my son.
At least 6-7 years then. I want him here for life till he eclipses Tom Brady's championships without cheating and all by himself.i doubt he gets the mahomes deal - and partly that's because my guess is that mahomes already wishes he didnt sign the mahomes deal... because josh allen's was better structured to make more money both in the short and long term
i definitely think the josh allen contract is gonna be what lamar wants as a baseline - 100m fully guaranteed at signing, 150m in total guarantees across the contract length, 43m/yr+
ravens probably only want to give a 5 year deal so that they can pro-rate the signing bonus across all 5 years of the contract but if they want to give him a longer deal (e.g. a 6 year extension like allen) they can always put in a roster bonus that triggers in year 2 and leave some bonus money in there - lamar would have to wait a year to get that extra bonus money but given that he's gonna get a metric fuckton straight away anyway he might be amenable to that kind of structure given that the roster bonus money in year 2 would be 100% guaranteed because you couldn't cut lamar even if you wanted to lol
there's all sorts of things that will go into this deal - but i doubt he gets a mahomes length or structure of deal - just doesnt make much sense
At least 6-7 years then. I want him here for life till he eclipses Tom Brady's championships without cheating and all by himself.
……or just hoping to string a couple of playoff wins together.Lol. Starting with one is perhaps the best thing to hope for