The Ugly, The Ugly and The Ugly - Steelers Edition

rmcjacket23 · Dec 13, 2021

RavensMania said:
That isn't the point and you are totally missing the point .... again. Sunday or Monday to Sunday atleast gives players more recovery time or the normal recovery time that would allow for standard practice and preparation instead of a series of walkthroughs as they do for TNF. No their bodies won't fully recover until the offseason. r

Where in the hell did I say that. I never said 7 days was plenty, not even once did I say that or even imply that. I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. It does give the players a chance to rest, the normal amount of time and as I said above not just have walkthroughs like teams do nowadays. I also never said TNF was going away as you tried to say in your earlier point a few days ago, but Sundays are absolutely never going away.

OK, so they're not able to recover in the "normal" timeline either, but we're concerned about being able to recover on the one week a year that some teams get a shortened week, which is immediately followed, almost exclusively, by a longer week? Again... really tough reconciliation.

Either I want them at their best or I take what they give me. There's really no middle ground. I'm not getting them at their best every Thursday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday anyway. Until I see players keeling over and sustaining long term injuries at a higher rate on Thursdays than normal days (which the data doesn't really support at the moment), then I don't really care if I'm getting them at their best or "most healed" or not.

And clearly, the players don't really care about it either. They spend more times publicly complaining about not being able to have unlimited marijuana usage than they do about player safety.

The players stance on these issues, quite frankly, has always been not-just-a-little-ignorant for me.
They're pro player safety, and yet, they're also pro:
1. Being able to hit QBs more and later
2. Being able to be more physical with receivers
3. Want the refs to throw less penalty flags and allow more "physical play"

A little "odd"...

RavensMania · Dec 13, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
Of course they complain genius. They're workers. What the fuck don't workers complain about?

Why bother listening to what they say when you can just listen to what they do? How about instead of extending like three straight CBAs that promote Thursday night football AND add a 17th game to the schedule (by the way... THIS is the argument you should be making for play safety), they, o I don't know, use their collectively bargained powers to fight against it?

Thursday night football exists because the players allow it to exist. Same with a 17th game. And you know why they allow it to exist? Because they make more money from it.

Again, not rocket science. They hate it so much they're willing to put up no fight whatsoever to get it removed. That's called being a hypocrite 101. That's like the clowns who boycott something by talking about it. You're failing.

Sometimes things do need my wisdom. When somebodies argument literally begins and ends with "I just know I'm right, so I don't need to do any research on something I clearly don't understand", lol, yes, wisdom is needed. Just because you don't want the wisdom doesn't mean its not needed.

If people are going to be too lazy to formulate their own opinions through research, there will always be people ready and willing to point out their laziness. That's called life. If people are unhappy with being called out or challenged on their opinions, there's plenty of other places where people can readily engage in group think and drink as much kool aid as they want.

The one argument I agree with. It is there because the players allow it to exist, but again not the argument or the point. However, it doesn't surprise me that you would argue the point. It isn't an argument, I agree with you. However you keep harping on the same point. Harp away. The players union definitely isn't as strong as they should be.

Rossi said almost every team as a general statement and that's a fact. You don't think he knew which teams would be interested in Lamar or did you actually think he meant every team and in my point, I'm done and not arguing anymore. You can continue harping on it if you'd like.

rossihunter2 · Dec 13, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
LOL, but they're not obvious. If it were obvious, you'd have data up here in about 10-15 seconds. You'd be giving me lists of players or literally any thought at all that supports the opinion.

Like opinions are great to have, but they're also really weak (also known as bad opinions) when they don't have basis. A pre-determined notion that isn't rooted in fact isn't basis. It's just a bad opinion.

i mean tbf richard sherman, doug baldwin have both complained about injuries resulting from the short-week due to TNF
obviously that's anecdotal and not data - but there's not nothing out there...

rmcjacket23 · Dec 13, 2021

RavensMania said:
The one argument I agree with. It is there because the players allow it to exist, but again not the argument or the point. However, it doesn't surprise me that you would argue the point. It isn't an argument, I agree with you. However you keep harping on the same point. Harp away. The players union definitely isn't as strong as they should be.

Rossi said almost every team as a general statement and that's a fact. You don't think he knew which teams would be interested in Lamar or did you actually think he meant every team and in my point, I'm done and not arguing anymore. You can continue harping on it if you'd like.

I don't respond to Rossi. Until you brought it up, I didn't even know he responded, nor did I care. Probably goes without saying, but I don't read every post on every topic from every user on here... for obvious reasons.

I responded to Tank, who I guess either doesn't know what teams would be interested in Lamar, or was too lazy to look them up himself. Hence, my response.

As far as player safety, my stance is pretty straight forward. There's no tangible data that shows that Thursday night games are significantly more dangerous for players (i.e. more injuries are occurring), and there's no tangible data that shows that the quality of play is any better or worse. So I've got no reason to think a problem exists, and I've got players, coaches, and Owners telling me, through their own actions, that they're not concerned with it at any significant level. When those two things occur, its almost impossible to conjure up an argument that it's an actual "problem" for the league. Which is why the entire concept is largely brought up by two groups of people... a) reporters, who like to write op-eds to make themselves sound morally superior to others and b) internet fan boys, who are more interesting in being right than getting it right.

rmcjacket23 · Dec 13, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
i mean tbf richard sherman, doug baldwin have both complained about injuries resulting from the short-week due to TNF
obviously that's anecdotal and not data - but there's not nothing out there...

Its also words, not actions. People can literally say anything they want, and then do the opposite.

rossihunter2 · Dec 13, 2021

rmcjacket23 said:
Its also words, not actions. People can literally say anything they want, and then do the opposite.

that's why i left in the proviso that it's purely anecdotal - just because you said you'd been given no player names or anything

im not suggesting that's enough to pull apart anyone's argument - just putting it out there for context - that it is a complaint that some players have and have had

gtalk12 · Dec 13, 2021

From what I read there does not seem to be any evidence that suggests that players get hurt more.

The eye test tells me the games look terrible because they need the rest.

Players ranging from Drew Brees to Richard Sherman have complained about it because they want more time to rest.

rossihunter2 · Dec 13, 2021

gtalk12 said:
From what I read there does not seem to be any evidence that suggests that players get hurt more.

The eye test tells me the games look terrible because they need the rest.

Players ranging from Drew Brees to Richard Sherman have complained about it because they want more time to rest.

tbf it’s completely plausible that the usual poor quality of the game is more about the lack of preparation and game-planning than it is about player injuries or recovery

RavensMania · Dec 13, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
tbf it’s completely plausible that the usual poor quality of the game is more about the lack of preparation and game-planning than it is about player injuries or recovery

I would think it's a combination but yes very true due to only having walk throughs.

rmcjacket23 · Dec 13, 2021

rossihunter2 said:
tbf it’s completely plausible that the usual poor quality of the game is more about the lack of preparation and game-planning than it is about player injuries or recovery

Correct.

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