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The Injuries, Big Ben's Final Game and Farewell to A Cursed Season

Tank

Hall of Famer
so you're telling me that 107 yards per game are not big playoff numbers?
he also had huntley miss him on a bomb against the bills where he dusted tre white off the line that would make these stats look ridiculous

Zero TDs.

Again, I'm just not a fan of paying him big $ long term. He's been good at stretching the field but IMO would not produce a good ROI.
 

Simba

Staff Member
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Why is the Hollywood contract such a big discussion right now? He’s almost surely getting the 5th year option so we’re still 2 years away and we have no idea what the market will be at that time. There’s not much sense in discussing it right now.
 

Militant X 1

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I think it's his small stature, he's constantly making business decisions to avoid contact. Seems at times he may be thinking more about that than catching the ball or getting to the sticks.

He's afraid of this...
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rossihunter2

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Umm, did he show up in yesterday's "big" game (not the last 3 years etc.) Yesterday? C'mon now! :lol:
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idk that id really call yesterday a big game but sure he had 1... maybe 2 plays that you'd want back although on the sideline grab im putting that more on a great play by minkah fitzpatrick - the goal-line one he should have held onto even though huntley cannoned it in there

but idk what to tell you - did anyone other than mark andrews show up in yesterday's supposed big game

and just to be clear... if yesterday counts as a big game - what doesnt count as a big game?
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Why is the Hollywood contract such a big discussion right now? He’s almost surely getting the 5th year option so we’re still 2 years away and we have no idea what the market will be at that time. There’s not much sense in discussing it right now.

because a few weeks ago some suggested we shouldnt bother picking up hollywood's 5th year option
said hollywood wouldnt be worth keeping around and that we might be better off drafting someone and letting him go
 

D1City55

Pro Bowler
Hollywood was 6th in the league in REC yards at one point and I know some people don't respect PFF but he was highly graded there. Him and Lamar were killing the play-action but that died down because teams literally lost respect for the Ravens RBs. I think out of everyone on this team outside of Lamar he's suffered the most from a drop off in OL play and run game.

With a better OL, elite run game and Lamar, I think this guy will produce with some of the best in the league. It wouldn't surprise me to see him in the top 10 in both REC yards and REC TDs next season.
 

rossihunter2

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Hollywood was 6th in the league in REC yards at one point and I know some people don't respect PFF but he was highly graded there. Him and Lamar were killing the play-action but that died down because teams literally lost respect for the Ravens RBs. I think out of everyone on this team outside of Lamar he's suffered the most from a drop off in OL play and run game.

With a better OL, elite run game and Lamar, I think this guy will produce with some of the best in the league. It wouldn't surprise me to see him in the top 10 in both REC yards and REC TDs next season.

especially with andrews in all-pro form and bateman coming on - hollywood's gonna see so much space downfield or he's going to draw a safety and leave bateman 1v1 on the outside

as long as we've got a pocket that lamar can trust - these receivers will eat
 
I think it's his small stature, he's constantly making business decisions to avoid contact. Seems at times he may be thinking more about that than catching the ball or getting to the sticks.
If you go back and look at his draft analysis one of his negatives was his physical stature, and his inability to win those 50/50 battles with DB’s. It is playing out in front of us, and in some cases worse. That drop in the end zone last night was caused by him knowing he was gonna take a big hit. It’s in his head and causing him to fold up on some big opportunities.
 

rossihunter2

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If you go back and look at his draft analysis one of his negatives was his physical stature, and his inability to win those 50/50 battles with DB’s. It is playing out in front of us, and in some cases worse. That drop in the end zone last night was caused by him knowing he was gonna take a big hit. It’s in his head and causing him to fold up on some big opportunities.

i dont think it was at all - the endzone one yesterday was just a drop on a wet day when he got thrown a missile
he's never shown he's afraid of taking hits at the catch-point - he's just not been taking hits after the catch much

we've seen him put his body on the line to make catches numerous times
 

RavensMania

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AJ Brown lol

Marquise has been good here. He just has a few mistakes that have been costly but everyone has issues. I think he will continue to improve and has improved every year IMHO. Compared to the other guys in his draft it's hard to say he's a bad pick but I do still think AJ Brown was a better option. That said, Hollywood has been good and has been a good fit here.
I'm not sure about AJ Brown being a better option. I like him but his injury issues would have me think twice on whether to even give him a second contract.
 

RavensMania

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especially with andrews in all-pro form and bateman coming on - hollywood's gonna see so much space downfield or he's going to draw a safety and leave bateman 1v1 on the outside

as long as we've got a pocket that lamar can trust - these receivers will eat
and next year we have 3 1k yard receivers. lol
 

Grim

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I'm not sure about AJ Brown being a better option. I like him but his injury issues would have me think twice on whether to even give him a second contract.
Yeah true but coming out that was the guy I liked better. Would’ve been hard to predict the injuries and yeah would make you question another deal.
 

RavensMania

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I don't think Hollywood would even consider staying here for $15M a year. I think the people suggesting that range aren't realistically in the right range.
yes, could be more based on when they give him the offer. If it's in two years it will be much more, especially with the new TV deals. I'd rather give him the deal early and save a few million. Not saying this offseason, but early.
 

RavensMania

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Yeah true but coming out that was the guy I liked better. Would’ve been hard to predict the injuries and yeah would make you question another deal.
I have to say. I went from not liking him to having Hollywood and Brown two of my favorite options. I wanted one of the Browns and didn't care which one. Deebo was my 3rd favorite but his hamstring issues he had in college scared me.
 

Militant X 1

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idk that id really call yesterday a big game but sure he had 1... maybe 2 plays that you'd want back although on the sideline grab im putting that more on a great play by minkah fitzpatrick - the goal-line one he should have held onto even though huntley cannoned it in there

but idk what to tell you - did anyone other than mark andrews show up in yesterday's supposed big game

and just to be clear... if yesterday counts as a big game - what doesnt count as a big game?

Just to be clear....if yesterday's game which had major playoff possibilities for the Ravens with them beating their arch-nemesis Big Ben and the Steelers, to avoid being swept by them 2 years in a row and allowing him to ride off into the sunset with a "W" at M&T Bank Stadium, while also bringing T-Sizzle back (interestingly for this game) as the "Legend of the Game" doesn't count as a big game; what does count as a big game?
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
yes, could be more based on when they give him the offer. If it's in two years it will be much more, especially with the new TV deals. I'd rather give him the deal early and save a few million. Not saying this offseason, but early.
He's not taking $15M a year today either.
 

RavensMania

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I would be surprised if Brown doesn’t get around 18M/year
That won't be from us, although it really depends on where the salary cap is as well. Just dont think we pay him that much and at this point it will be how much he wants to stay with Lamar.
 
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