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2022 DL Thread

JoeyFlex5

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not watched a ton of Leal yet but what i'll say is that the traits are great and the flashes are awesome but idk that he survives inside the way i'd want him to in order to play on the interior - this is all with the massive proviso that ive watched less than a game's worth of snaps on Leal and he still looks freaky

but without knowing anything else, if you'd told me one of them was 275 and one of them was 290 - just looking at the power i'd definitely get the answer wrong

from what ive seen so far though... if im honest i think there's not a wrong answer here - both are freaks - and my guess is that they're both top 15 type talents

I hear you, but one will be better than the other, like I agree with all this, but if we’re picking between one or the other, idk. leal is heavier, but bendier and twitchier, while walker is lighter but more powerful and might be a legit player in space with his speed.

their differences make no sense lol. I just don’t know, I’d be happy with either but I can’t pick a preference
 

rossihunter2

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I hear you, but one will be better than the other, like I agree with all this, but if we’re picking between one or the other, idk. leal is heavier, but bendier and twitchier, while walker is lighter but more powerful and might be a legit player in space with his speed.

their differences make no sense lol. I just don’t know, I’d be happy with either but I can’t pick a preference

that's fair - but we've got months to find consensus on it - i think for me Walker's probably the more pro-ready and the guy who's probably easier to envision how he fits into your defence
 

RavensMania

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I put this in the Film Breakdown section as well. This is the All 22 Breakdown of Jordan Davis

 

RavensMania

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if you can feel good about his conditioning then he's 100% a guy you take very high
agree and @Sizzle mentioned in the Film Breakdown page, he's not a pass rusher. That being said, that isn't his game. Not saying he can't do it, but he certainly would pass rush better than Brandon Williams has done for his entire career. We most likely will be in position to take him, but may not be the best player on our boards, either.

I do believe Jordan Davis would make us better as a unit.
 

rossihunter2

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agree and @Sizzle mentioned in the Film Breakdown page, he's not a pass rusher. That being said, that isn't his game. Not saying he can't do it, but he certainly would pass rush better than Brandon Williams has done for his entire career. We most likely will be in position to take him, but may not be the best player on our boards, either.

I do believe Jordan Davis would make us better as a unit.

i would also say that while he's never going to be a dominant sack artist he's not not a pass rusher - he's utterly unblockable when left 1v1 and it doesnt matter if it's a running down or passing down
 

ndub

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agree and @Sizzle mentioned in the Film Breakdown page, he's not a pass rusher. That being said, that isn't his game. Not saying he can't do it, but he certainly would pass rush better than Brandon Williams has done for his entire career. We most likely will be in position to take him, but may not be the best player on our boards, either.

I do believe Jordan Davis would make us better as a unit.

We need pass rushing, not more run stopping. Solid pass from me
 

RavensMania

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i dare you to try and stop him 1v1 in a pass rushing situation lol
georgia didnt ask him to do it a lot because they had possibly the deepest and most talented front in CFB history so they rotated guys a lot - but when he did he put 320lb dudes on skates into the QB's lap
I wouldn't have any issues taking him at 14, depending on who is available at that spot. He's definitely one of the better players in this draft.

Now, imagine lining him up in 4th and 1 or goal line situations. Can you imagine having to tackle him. The Fridge part 2
 
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JoeyFlex5

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i would also say that while he's never going to be a dominant sack artist he's not not a pass rusher - he's utterly unblockable when left 1v1 and it doesnt matter if it's a running down or passing down
This is what I see. He makes an impact in the pass rush, just not in the sack totals, he absolutely collapses pockets. He’s one of the rare cases where you’d field a NT in your 4 down rush package, there’s no where to step up, making a guy like oweh who is prone to overrunning the arc, extremely dangerous.

You don’t wanna ask this guy to be something he’s not, but if we took him I would not mind at all seeing him knock off a good 15 lbs of fat and see what that changes for him. I think it could make a pretty big difference in his conditioning and ability to just get that little extra jolt in his finish and in his change of direction
 

rossihunter2

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This is what I see. He makes an impact in the pass rush, just not in the sack totals, he absolutely collapses pockets. He’s one of the rare cases where you’d field a NT in your 4 down rush package, there’s no where to step up, making a guy like oweh who is prone to overrunning the arc, extremely dangerous.

You don’t wanna ask this guy to be something he’s not, but if we took him I would not mind at all seeing him knock off a good 15 lbs of fat and see what that changes for him. I think it could make a pretty big difference in his conditioning and ability to just get that little extra jolt in his finish and in his change of direction

and he doesnt need to play every 3rd down to be impactful because he allows your other pass rushers to hunt when he's on and off the field
when he's on the field he occupies attention and creates push to collapse the pocket and when he's off the field it's likely because he's dominated 1st and 2nd down to put the offence in 3rd and long
 

JoeyFlex5

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We need pass rushing, not more run stopping. Solid pass from me
It’s really not that simple

we need defensive linemen, period. And a lot of them. We have madubuike and Broderick Washington, that’s it.

jordan Davis isn’t a sack artist, but that doesn’t make him not a pass rusher. He disrupts everything a defense does. I hate to be cliche but if he’s on the field on a passing down, and any player in the league attempts to single block, he’s gonna disrupt the play in some way. How many sacks did the ravens miss this year because the qb climbed the pocket as our rushers bent the edge? We must have led the league With a double digit lead against the second team. There is no pocket to climb with Jordan Davis. There is no Calais Campbell running himself into the ground on run downs with Davis, you’re not asking Brandon Williams and Justin Ellis to rush the passer with Davis, you’re not 2 gapping madubuike and killing his ceiling with Davis.
 

ndub

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It’s really not that simple

we need defensive linemen, period. And a lot of them. We have madubuike and Broderick Washington, that’s it.

jordan Davis isn’t a sack artist, but that doesn’t make him not a pass rusher. He disrupts everything a defense does. I hate to be cliche but if he’s on the field on a passing down, and any player in the league attempts to single block, he’s gonna disrupt the play in some way. How many sacks did the ravens miss this year because the qb climbed the pocket as our rushers bent the edge? We must have led the league With a double digit lead against the second team. There is no pocket to climb with Jordan Davis. There is no Calais Campbell running himself into the ground on run downs with Davis, you’re not asking Brandon Williams and Justin Ellis to rush the passer with Davis, you’re not 2 gapping madubuike and killing his ceiling with Davis.

Damn, I’m onboard
 

rossihunter2

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@JoeyFlex5 - im all the way out on demarvin leal so i think that settles it pretty easily for me that travon walker's the guy to take in that scenario - i dont see Leal as a 1st rounder let alone a top 10-15 type player

right now i've got a late 2nd/3rd round grade on him

and idk what im missing although it's reassuring that it seems like lance zierlein and the bleacher report guy are similarly not sold so at least it's not just me - right now he's DL 5 for me - the same grade would have made him DL 4 or 5 last year in a poor DL class and on the same level as Alim McNeill

would put him somewhere between DL 8 and DL 11 if he was in the 2020 class (i loved that DL group with Madubuike and co)
 

JoeyFlex5

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@JoeyFlex5 - im all the way out on demarvin leal so i think that settles it pretty easily for me that travon walker's the guy to take in that scenario - i dont see Leal as a 1st rounder let alone a top 10-15 type player

right now i've got a late 2nd/3rd round grade on him

and idk what im missing although it's reassuring that it seems like lance zierlein and the bleacher report guy are similarly not sold so at least it's not just me - right now he's DL 5 for me - the same grade would have made him DL 4 or 5 last year in a poor DL class and on the same level as Alim McNeill

would put him somewhere between DL 8 and DL 11 if he was in the 2020 class (i loved that DL group with Madubuike and co)
Damn, what do you dislike so much about him?
 

rossihunter2

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Damn, what do you dislike so much about him?

i dont get what he does well - the tape against Neal and Cross was pretty damning - he's athletic but not freakishly, doesn't have the overwhelming power you'd expect out of someone who's 290lbs when rushing off the edge - like he got some push against Cross at times when he went speed-to-power but he's not jolting guys with his punch and leg-drive the way you'd want - and inside he frequently gets washed and had no chance against double-teams - think he flashes the ability to stack and shed and he's effective using that push-pull/snatch move on the edge in the run game to pull tackles off their feet until he tried it against Neal and Cross and hardly moved them

i see traits that suggest he might become successful over time but i dont see a dominant or immediately impactful player (hence the 2nd/3rd grade rather than a 1st rounder)

i guess my question is where does he settle in the NFL because idk that he can survive inside right now and idk that he's particularly dynamic outside

right now ive got 1 top 10 grade on jordan davis
early 2nd round grades (that might become late 1s) on Devonte Wyatt and Phidarian Mathis
and late 2/early 3s on Perrion Winfrey and DeMarvin Leal
 

JoeyFlex5

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i dont get what he does well - the tape against Neal and Cross was pretty damning - he's athletic but not freakishly, doesn't have the overwhelming power you'd expect out of someone who's 290lbs when rushing off the edge - like he got some push against Cross at times when he went speed-to-power but he's not jolting guys with his punch and leg-drive the way you'd want - and inside he frequently gets washed and had no chance against double-teams - think he flashes the ability to stack and shed and he's effective using that push-pull/snatch move on the edge in the run game to pull tackles off their feet until he tried it against Neal and Cross and hardly moved them

i see traits that suggest he might become successful over time but i dont see a dominant or immediately impactful player (hence the 2nd/3rd grade rather than a 1st rounder)

i guess my question is where does he settle in the NFL because idk that he can survive inside right now and idk that he's particularly dynamic outside

right now ive got 1 top 10 grade on jordan davis
early 2nd round grades (that might become late 1s) on Devonte Wyatt and Phidarian Mathis
and late 2/early 3s on Perrion Winfrey and DeMarvin Leal
I think he’s very bursty out of his stance and he is excellent with quick lateral moves, longarming followed with super quick spin moves and crossing blockers faces quick as shit. He’s not overly powerful but he is adept with hand usage and he is very sudden and agile and disengages well and does it all across the front, he handles interior blockers with great quicks and works well on the outside with a full tool belt.

I agree he’s a tweener, but I feel like he survives todays nfl no problem, I don’t see it being a problem to the point that he isn’t an impactful player, ten years ago leal doesn’t have a place in the league but I think he could absolutely work some of the trash OL in the league today with his elite lateral quickness.

do I think he’s better than walker? Nah, I’m super high on walker and it’s still skyrocketing, but I think leal is a solid prospect
 

rossihunter2

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I think he’s very bursty out of his stance and he is excellent with quick lateral moves, longarming followed with super quick spin moves and crossing blockers faces quick as shit. He’s not overly powerful but he is adept with hand usage and he is very sudden and agile and disengages well and does it all across the front, he handles interior blockers with great quicks and works well on the outside with a full tool belt.

I agree he’s a tweener, but I feel like he survives todays nfl no problem, I don’t see it being a problem to the point that he isn’t an impactful player, ten years ago leal doesn’t have a place in the league but I think he could absolutely work some of the trash OL in the league today with his elite lateral quickness.

do I think he’s better than walker? Nah, I’m super high on walker and it’s still skyrocketing, but I think leal is a solid prospect

as i say - he's got a mid-day 2 grade from me so it's not like i think he sucks - just dont see some instant impact potentially dominant prospect the way he's been billed (which is the type of prospect you want in the top 15)

i do like how effective he is crossing face and moving laterally - he's definitely at his best when he's technical with his hands - too often though ive seen him not win with quickness inside and not have the leg-drive to be able to transition - i dont think it's low effort because is see him staying active and continuing to work through the rep and see high effort elsewhere - just feels like there's a point in his rush where he just runs out of juice if he ever stops winning

and i dont inherently dislike tweeners but i feel like Leal's in a tough spot where unlike some other tweeners he doesnt win with power inside which i think is fairly important for those kinds of guys

i guess i was expecting a more dominant athlete than he is - if im honest i think he probably should have gone back for his senior year - but if he goes in round 1 then fair play to him
 

RavensMania

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If we draft Jordan Davis, I want to see a lot of this (1:15 on this highlight)

 
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