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The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

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Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
you kidding me?
he's essentially blaming kids for their own murders...
he's completely disregarding that every child is different in terms of their desire to be social (or not)...
he's completely disparaging an entire generation as stereotypically self-involved, lacking sensitivity, lacking empathy and obsessed with status
he's blaming school shootings on kids with behavioural problems...
he's suggesting also that kids are responsible for the burden of dealing with issues of people they dont even know - that’s an inappropriate load for him to expect children to carry...

he constantly says “He could likely be our next shooter."
-No. It’s not likely. It’s actually entirely unlikely. Basic common awareness of statistics says that the vast majority of lonely kids never become school shooters.

the author of that open letter is doing a huge disservice to children who struggle enough as it is by portraying antisocial or emotionally impaired student as “likely” mass murderers

there's a fallacy inherent to his argument anyway - it’s incredibly presumptuous of that former teacher to assume that every child sitting alone wants to be included in social activities

im not saying that kids shouldnt be nicer to each other - but its not like they should be forced to interact with people outside of their comfort zone necessarily... why is that their duty?

and since when do adults tell kids to be friends with someone, just so that they don’t get shot up?

Plus, he deflects responsibility from where it ought to rest. They are children. It should be the job of adults to keep them safe. Every single one of them... Including the child sitting in the corner of the lunch room alone.

i also dont really get the point of the argument either in the first place: even if this was a legitimate fix why does the students marching on 1 day together preclude them from walking up to these "lonely" kids every or any other day of the year?

how low has it got that kids are being blamed pre-emptively for their own future murders?

He is absolutely not blaming kids. He is offering solutions which nobody wants to hear I guess. See how you just took it differently than other people do. Look at the history of the school shootings. They have been outcasts. Loners. Look at all the bullying that goes on. In fact we should ban the internet. Look how much suicide its caused. Where's the outrage? The marches? Why dont we just create G rated movies and video games? The thing that kills me is this isn't just gonna be a march about gun control. It'll be every left wing propaganda there is and they're using children. Outrageuos.

Could likely does not mean likely. Not even close.
 

rossihunter2

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He is absolutely not blaming kids. He is offering solutions which nobody wants to hear I guess. See how you just took it differently than other people do. Look at the history of the school shootings. They have been outcasts. Loners. Look at all the bullying that goes on. In fact we should ban the internet. Look how much suicide its caused. Where's the outrage? The marches? Why dont we just create G rated movies and video games? The thing that kills me is this isn't just gonna be a march about gun control. It'll be every left wing propaganda there is and they're using children. Outrageuos.

Could likely does not mean likely. Not even close.

wow - you really think video games and movies are why kids (only in the US) go on mass shootings?
and i still cant believe you dont see that these children are autonomous people - most of the leaders are nearly adults legally - they are not using children this was a march and protest organised by children
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
wow - you really think video games and movies are why kids (only in the US) go on mass shootings?
and i still cant believe you dont see that these children are autonomous people - most of the leaders are nearly adults legally - they are not using children this was a march and protest organised by children

Lol. Where did the children come up with all this money? Please don't tell me you believe these children planned and organized this march. The anti gun people are behind it all the way. Has the media at all let any children that disagree have a say or a platform?
 

Sledge Hammer

Pro Bowler
Lol. Where did the children come up with all this money? Please don't tell me you believe these children planned and organized this march. The anti gun people are behind it all the way. Has the media at all let any children that disagree have a say or a platform?

These kids you can tell are repeating what gun ban advocates are telling them. One kid even acknowledged his speech was changed around. Liberals are using kids that haven’t even really ever given it much thought as a platform to do their bidding. Cuz liberals know nobody listens to them ever. So the Libs exploit children. And children that went through a tragedy at that. And trying to twist their minds into thinking guns alone are responsible for this. And if guns are banned then everybody will be safe. When that couldn’t be further from true.
 

Sledge Hammer

Pro Bowler
Trust me the media will not put forth students that strongly believe in the 2nd amendment. They found the 2 they need.

The 2 lil puppets the Communist news network found don’t realize u can’t take something away from everybody cuz somebody misused it. If the shooter used a methane bomb to level the school would liberals be attempting to take natural gas from everybody?? Guns are only one avenue somebody can use to kill. And you don’t get the right to control everybody cuz u were present at a tragedy. Communist news is exploiting these kids in a way of promoting their opinion counts more cuz the 2 boys witnessed a tragedy. Like it gives them the right Infringe on people’s rights. According to CNN these boys opinions mean more and it gives them the right to control the masses.
 

The Raven

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The 2 lil puppets the Communist news network found don’t realize u can’t take something away from everybody cuz somebody misused it. If the shooter used a methane bomb to level the school would liberals be attempting to take natural gas from everybody?? Guns are only one avenue somebody can use to kill. And you don’t get the right to control everybody cuz u were present at a tragedy. Communist news is exploiting these kids in a way of promoting their opinion counts more cuz the 2 boys witnessed a tragedy. Like it gives them the right Infringe on people’s rights. According to CNN these boys opinions mean more and it gives them the right to control the masses.
Please define the word communist, and then explain how the definition fits in your post here.

Also, yes, there are other ways to kill people. But we should be trying to make it harder for them to kill. It's harder to kill 17 people with a butter knife than it is with an AR-15.

Also, it's absolutely fucking insulting to those kids to assume that they're being exploited. Many of these kids are 16-18 years old. They know damn well what they're doing. If they didn't want to speak out, they wouldn't. And good on them for organizing. Shame on you for saying they're being exploited.

Also, please read the second amendment and explain to me what you think "well-regulated militia" means.
 

The Raven

Veteran
Congrats to the GOP for enabling Trump to fire Tillerson, the sanest man left in the administration. Congrats also for standing by Bumbling Betsy DeVos, who apparently can't even understand the simplest of concepts in education. The secretary of education should, in an ideal world, have an advanced, intimate knowledge of education policy and the supporting data. DeVos, however, is just a moron.

For those who didn't see DeVos's embarrassing 60 Minutes interview, it went something like this
 

The Raven

Veteran
Okay, but first tell me, in the same text, who "...the people..." are.
I asked first, but anyway, I would imagine that the people are, well, the people. Is there a point to this simple question? "Well regulated militia" would still apply to "the people." Moreover, courts have time and time found that the second amendment is not absolute -- hence the legality of an assault weapons ban.

So, anyways, what do you think "well regulated militia" means?

Also, if I may point out, the Constitution has been amended 17 times since it was first passed. It could always be amended again. ;)
 

Inqui

Pro Bowler
Congrats to the GOP for enabling Trump to fire Tillerson, the sanest man left in the administration. Congrats also for standing by Bumbling Betsy DeVos, who apparently can't even understand the simplest of concepts in education. The secretary of education should, in an ideal world, have an advanced, intimate knowledge of education policy and the supporting data. DeVos, however, is just a moron.

For those who didn't see DeVos's embarrassing 60 Minutes interview, it went something like this
That's one way to look at it.

The other is that Trump is keeping his word and creating jobs. :p
 

The Raven

Veteran
So you think "the militia" and "the people" are the same group?
Not necessarily. But surely "well regulated" means something. And again, if the courts deem it legal to ban assault weapons, it's absolutely fucking clear that the second amendment is not absolute.

When are you going to answer my question, though? I've answered yours, yet I've never gotten a straight answer (from anyone) on what a "well-regulated militia."
 

K-Dog

MVP
Nope. I am next.
"The right of the people shal NOT be infringed"
What do you think that means?

You know what?
Forget about it. You don't have to answer a thing. I forgot who I was talking to and what thread this was.
It was against my better judgement to come back to this thread.
 
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The Raven

Veteran
Nope. I am next.
"The right of the people shal NOT be infringed"
What do you think that means?

You know what?
Forget about it. You don't have to answer a thing. I forgot who I was talking to and what thread this was.
It was against my better judgement to come back to this thread.
Regardless of what you think it means, the courts have decided that the second amendment is not absolute. Clearly, the well-regulated bit carries some weight.

Lets look at the second amendment in a historical context, not in the way it's been misrepresented by the NRA.

Historically, the courts have interpreted "the people" as the members of a state's militia. When the Bill of Rights was passed, states had militias that they used for defensive purposes. As the founders feared a tyrannical federal government, they wrote the second amendment to protect state militias from having the right to bear arms infringed. The second amendment, as interpreted by a great many judges and legal scholars, was simply to allow states to protect themselves from an oppressive federal government.

If the second amendment was written to guarantee individuals the right to bear arms, why didn't the founders simply write, "The right of individuals to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?" Instead, they mentioned a well-regulated militia. As read, the second amendment applies to well-regulated militias, not individuals. Otherwise, why even mention militia? Otherwise, why not just say everyone can have a gun?

For example, there are no clauses limiting the first, third, fourth, or fifth amendments. Those are absolute. Those apply to all individuals. However, the "well-regulated militia" clause changes the meaning of the second amendment. I mean, for fuck sake, I studied English and write/edit for a living. I think I know what words mean and how sentences are structured.

So what do you think well-regulated militia means? I don't think I'll actually get an answer to that -- not from you or any other gun rights advocate I've talked to.
 
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