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redrum52

redrum52

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As inept ass the Browns are there's no way in hell they trade him to us. Besides having to face him, we've won division the last 2 years. That's tanking the value of those picks.
 
Grim

Grim

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rmcjacket23 said:
I don't think its a fear of trading in the division per-say, as much as it is trading high-end talent within the division. They wouldn't even take our phone call for ZaDarius Smith.
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Depends though. I read that the Browns reiterated they still won't trade him. Not sure how the scenario plays out.

I'm sure Garrett has a list of teams he would go to play. I'm sure the Ravens are on that list, among KC, Bills, etc. The question is...

1. Will they even trade him or just force him to stay?
2. If they do trade him, would they not trade in the division?

I could see them still trade, but they are the Browns. They don't always do the logical move.
 
D1City55

D1City55

Pro Bowler
I highly doubt we get him. We can’t fit him into our cap space and I highly doubt Cleveland would even give him to us. It’s one thing to trade a prospect or rotational player to a division rival, its a whole other discussion for someone of Myles Garrett caliber. I don’t think the Browns would think its worth it to help the Ravens win a Super Bowl even if it means late first round picks.
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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Grim said:
Depends though. I read that the Browns reiterated they still won't trade him. Not sure how the scenario plays out.

I'm sure Garrett has a list of teams he would go to play. I'm sure the Ravens are on that list, among KC, Bills, etc. The question is...

1. Will they even trade him or just force him to stay?
2. If they do trade him, would they not trade in the division?

I could see them still trade, but they are the Browns. They don't always do the logical move.
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So in my opinion, a) he won't be traded and b) if he is traded, he'll have a plenty big list of suitors who are also contenders. Washington would make a shit ton of sense, though I think they already like their Dline. Chargers, Lions, Vikings all make sense, and somebody like Chicago does also if Garrett thought they'd be a contender.

End of day, he's got two years left on his deal and franchise tag is an option after that, so he has "some" leverage but not a ton in these negotiations.
 
Grim

Grim

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rmcjacket23 said:
So in my opinion, a) he won't be traded and b) if he is traded, he'll have a plenty big list of suitors who are also contenders. Washington would make a shit ton of sense, though I think they already like their Dline. Chargers, Lions, Vikings all make sense, and somebody like Chicago does also if Garrett thought they'd be a contender.

End of day, he's got two years left on his deal and franchise tag is an option after that, so he has "some" leverage but not a ton in these negotiations.
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Oh, I say there's 1% chance he is traded here. I only say that because I can't rule it out entirely but I consider it very unlikely. Still, I would love it if we could pull that off.

That said, I agree--I think Lions. Commanders, Rams make more sense, maybe even Niners or Eagles.

If anything maybe NFC is more preferred for him because less competition to reach the Super Bowl compared to AFC. Contender to me means they have good coaching & QB play and other pieces around them & need a pass rusher. I could see that with the others, although none are perfect except maybe Rams. I think they make an ideal target TBH.
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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Grim said:
Oh, I say there's 1% chance he is traded here. I only say that because I can't rule it out entirely but I consider it very unlikely. Still, I would love it if we could pull that off.

That said, I agree--I think Lions. Commanders, Rams make more sense, maybe even Niners or Eagles.

If anything maybe NFC is more preferred for him because less competition to reach the Super Bowl compared to AFC. Contender to me means they have good coaching & QB play and other pieces around them & need a pass rusher. I could see that with the others, although none are perfect except maybe Rams. I think they make an ideal target TBH.
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Plus to note the obvious... the Ravens price tag for him isn't the same as the rest of the leagues (sans the Steelers and Bengals). If he's worth a couple 1st round picks to everybody else, they'd want more from us.

I think if there's every a scenario where he ends up as a FA, then I could see the Ravens getting involved. OR, possibly, as a mid-season trade as a rental. But again, very high price tag on that.
 
RavensMania

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First, any trade involving Garrett will cost the Browns a lot of money. They will have 36.2m in dead money on the books and have a 16.5m cap charge. They can spread it out over 2025 and 2026 if they were to trade him via post june 1.

 
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Adreme

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rmcjacket23 said:
Plenty of talent on offense. Their passing stats were on par with several playoff teams this season alone, and that's with a rotation of shitty QBs.

My point was they're a contender with a QB upgrade if they keep Garrett. A lot of people make a lot of trade requests and not only don't get traded away, but end up signing lucrative, long-term extensions with the team they asked to be traded from. There's plenty of scenarios where this is just a pure leverage play to get a revised contract, given that he's due less than $20M this year and only $25M next year and none of it is gtd $.

Cap space isn't going to be a problem for another 2-3 years. They'll continue to do close-to max restructures on Watson until he takes the big hit in 2027 and they'll be done with it, and they have plenty of other restructures on large contracts they can do (Conklin and Ward, for sure) to clear a bunch of space. They can clear $40-50M or more just from those three guys if they want to.

In the end, it really doesn't matter that much, because if you hit the QB, it's all gravy. Denver was a playoff team this year with huge dead $ hits for a bunch of guys and a rookie QB. The AFC is top heavy but very light at the bottom and in the middle.
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First I’ll say your doesn’t really work because it is basically ignoring the core scenario and rewriting it. The scenario here is: IF they trade MG, then it makes sense to trade him to the Ravens bed they are on different timetables. Therefore in order for them to be on the same timetables you have to argue they are a playoff team WITHOUT MG because trading him is literally the required action for the hypothetical to exist.

That being said they were 20th in passing yards, 32nd in YPA (so their yards came from volume), 31st in completion %, 32nd in INTs, and the final nail in they “they have talent”, is that they lead the NFL with 48 dropped passes. 2nd is the Jets with 40 and 3 teams are tied for 3rd with 33. So their passing game is horrible by every metric and it is not just a QB from being fixed.

Finally that cap problem is basically holding them back from taking any steps to improve that roster. They are stuck with the talent they have which is clearly not much. They can get under it again but they can’t make the needed signings to really contend.

So to restate the hypothetical: if you are trading MG, then it makes sense to trade him in division because you are 3 years from contention so your timetables are simply different.
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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Adreme said:
First I’ll say your doesn’t really work because it is basically ignoring the core scenario and rewriting it. The scenario here is: IF they trade MG, then it makes sense to trade him to the Ravens bed they are on different timetables. Therefore in order for them to be on the same timetables you have to argue they are a playoff team WITHOUT MG because trading him is literally the required action for the hypothetical to exist.

That being said they were 20th in passing yards, 32nd in YPA (so their yards came from volume), 31st in completion %, 32nd in INTs, and the final nail in they “they have talent”, is that they lead the NFL with 48 dropped passes. 2nd is the Jets with 40 and 3 teams are tied for 3rd with 33. So their passing game is horrible by every metric and it is not just a QB from being fixed.

Finally that cap problem is basically holding them back from taking any steps to improve that roster. They are stuck with the talent they have which is clearly not much. They can get under it again but they can’t make the needed signings to really contend.

So to restate the hypothetical: if you are trading MG, then it makes sense to trade him in division because you are 3 years from contention so your timetables are simply different.
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lol so I'm not discussing the hypothetical because I don't find value in discussing hypotheticals of events with extremely low probabilities of occurring.

I think their passing game being so dreadful is about 92% tied directly to the QB position. I think they are league average or better in pretty much every offensive position group, with the exception of maybe RB. Not overly hard to fix that in the draft.

The amount of cap space they can create, if they want to, would allow for them to do pretty much whatever they wanted in FA. It'd be $20-30M or more. Just depends on how far they want to kick the can.

I'd also argue that the cap space discussion matters a lot less, because their ability to upgrade the roster the last couple years was largely tied to lack of draft capital as opposed to lack of cap space. Obviously they have high draft picks. Five in the top 103. Nine picks in total. Some of those guys will likely be good football players that will play early and often.
 
Davesta

Davesta

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RavensMania said:
First, any trade involving Garrett will cost the Browns a lot of money. They will have 36.2m in dead money on the books and have a 16.5m cap charge. They can spread it out over 2025 and 2026 if they were to trade him via post june 1.

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I think hes staying in Cleveland. He just pulling a Lamar to get more guarantee money
 
JAAM

JAAM

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QtR Nevermore

QtR Nevermore

Pro Bowler
Simba said:
A veteran WR that hasn't played a full season in 3 years? Sounds like a Ravens move
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God, I hope not. It'd be like the Beckham deal but with no Lamar contract attached - a lot of money but you're only paying for the name. It would look pretty similar on the field too. By the end of the season he was an afterthought in their passing game.

I'd be quite surprised if anyone trades for him with that salary.
 
Simba

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rmcjacket23 said:
One of the few times I don't hate the idea, but I absolutely hate his price tag.
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QtR Nevermore said:
God, I hope not. It'd be like the Beckham deal but with no Lamar contract attached - a lot of money but you're only paying for the name. It would look pretty similar on the field too. By the end of the season he was an afterthought in their passing game.

I'd be quite surprised if anyone trades for him with that salary.
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Yeah price is the huge issue here. I actually don't mind the player or idea of him here, but the contract he has now is paying him for what he's done instead of what he's likely to do going forward. Feels like he's going to have to rework his deal to facilitate a trade unless one of those teams flush with cap sees the value in him for a young QB.
 
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