JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Yeah I just have a hard time believing we’ll find one at the end of this first round.
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allblackraven
Hall of Famer
If someone good starts sliding, it would be cool if EDC used some picks to move up in the 1st. We have shitloads this draft.
Baltimorican
Practice Squad
Could happen. A 4th rdr moves you up just 2 spots though. I think they'll sit and a perfectly solid defensive day 1 contributor at DL/EDGE/Secondary will fall to them. Then they use 10 picks to fill out a depth chart that's really empty in some units.
But if they trade picks, how do they find the next Aaron Maulet or Iman Marshall or Ben Mason?
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
I'm obviously in the camp of...
If you see an impact player, go and get him. I hate trading back early (that's how you end up with Hayden Hurst instead of DJ Moore) or hoarding these late round picks that probably won't (read, near certainly) amount to anything.
I'll gladly take the superstar player over the good player and back of roster depth you hope never sees the field.
I just hate the idea of there being "five guys we'd be happy with, so let's trade back four spots." I know damn well one of those names stands out to you above the rest- make the pick and get the guy you want; don't settle for leftovers.
I also should add- I personally hate the idea of trading back out of the first round. I think the fifth year option is way too valuable to pass on. If the Ravens trade down to 32, so be it, but going to 33 or later is not something I'd be happy about.
If you see an impact player, go and get him. I hate trading back early (that's how you end up with Hayden Hurst instead of DJ Moore) or hoarding these late round picks that probably won't (read, near certainly) amount to anything.
I'll gladly take the superstar player over the good player and back of roster depth you hope never sees the field.
I just hate the idea of there being "five guys we'd be happy with, so let's trade back four spots." I know damn well one of those names stands out to you above the rest- make the pick and get the guy you want; don't settle for leftovers.
I also should add- I personally hate the idea of trading back out of the first round. I think the fifth year option is way too valuable to pass on. If the Ravens trade down to 32, so be it, but going to 33 or later is not something I'd be happy about.
ravenslord
Ravens Ring of Honor
Is Calais worth bringing back now that we lost Pierce?
rmcjacket23
Hall of Famer
So the 5th year option isn't really valuable anymore. Its super expensive in most cases. If you have a high end player, its effectively a franchise tag in terms of price. That's rarely advantageous for the team.
Note that Linderbaum's 5th year option would instantly make him like 25% higher paid than the highest paid Center in the league and Hamilton's 5th year option would make him the 3rd highest paid Safety. That's at least relatively in-line with market value, though probably a bit under.
And if you have a low impact player, you're probably not going the 5th year option route anyway. Best case scenario is you end up with somebody like Oweh, who's sort of a mid-tier guy, who still costs $13.2M. Maybe a bit less than market value, but nothing tremendous. The only "REAL" value in 5th year options is at QB, and I'm not sure that's really true anymore either.
Davesta
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Is it crazy that I perfer Starks over Emmanwori?
Starks gives you that true centerfielder we've been missing since "hungry" Marcus Williams.
Starks' high IQ and football instincts > Nick emmanwori's freaky SPARQ scores.
If we didnt have KHam, then sure.. but pairing Starks with KHam seems more solid to me.
Last interview i saw, edc basically said he loved the 5th yr options
JAAM
Hall of Famer
I’d love either one lol
rmcjacket23
Hall of Famer
I think it gives you one extra year of control over a player, which is a positive. I think financially its no longer beneficial to teams to use the 5th year option for high-end players. Teams love the franchise tag to use as leverage to get a long term deal, but frequently hate using it from a cap perspective, because of the restrictions on it.
Cooper Rush signed a 2 year, $6,200,000 contract with the Baltimore Ravens, including $2,745,000 signing bonus, $4,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $3,100,000. In 2025, Rush will earn a base salary of $1,255,000, a signing bonus of $2,745,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $1,904,000 and a dead cap value of $4,000,000.
it was initially reported as 2 yr 12.2m.
it was initially reported as 2 yr 12.2m.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I worry about some things with starks, and I think emmanwori’s cover ability might be underrated. I feel emmanwori is much better suited to cover the likes of chase, Higgins, metcalf, pickens, Coleman, and kelce, so we’re nullifying what our biggest competitors do well. I feel the run game is making a huge resurgence across the league and emmanwori with Hamilton would give us a level of flexibility that is unmatched by any team, we’d be a nightmare for every contending offense to deal with. It’s a defensive checkmate against our competition and how they’ve built their entire offenses.
That said, if starks is the pick at 27, odds are he was BPA or among 2 or 3 guys who could’ve been BPA. Emmanwori feels like the superior prospect though. I didn’t feel this way from the beginning but as of now I do.
Frankly if our playcall is relying on center field safety play, I think we’re in desperation mode anyway and we’ve already lost. It’ll work against inferior teams but against well coached teams with high end qbs who can diagnose and/or OLs who can pickup pressure packages(chiefs, bills, bengals, maybe Steelers) then it will get torched.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
I think it's great for certain positions
you hope for someone to slide because of positional value like Linderbaum, a character concern like wiggins last year, an injury like maybe an ojabo (who was obviously a big miss) or a guy at a loaded position group who gets lost in a flashy group
or you take a swing on traits like oweh in 2021
those are the ways you can hit on a real difference maker
guys who fit that mould this year:
Positional value: malaki starks (who i've definitely come around on), maybe donovan jackson, colston loveland
Character concern???: walter nolen, james pearce jr
Injury concern: josh simmons
the less flashy guy at the loaded position group: donovan ezeiruaku
the swing on traits: shemar stewart (if he gets there), mykel williams (i don't see it with him)
which is why they haven't traded down in the 1st round since 2019 outside of when they traded back into R1 and then down to get Tyler Linderbaum (the fact they traded back in, i think negates the whole trade down thing because they still stuck and picked kyle hamilton)
i think they'd have to have their ideal tier of grades completely obliterated to trade out - i could definitely see it this year though with a very small upper tier of prospects and a very thick looking day 2
ive completely come around on starks
Ellicottraven
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That won't happen, because he is so addicted to draft picks it would be torturous to him. He gets high on the adrenalin of draft day calisthenics. He is demented that way.
Ellicottraven
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Please explain...