Signings, Cuts, Trades

[rmcjacket23]

The Ravens already go comparatively cheap at Edge. Since Sizz they've paid a tag on Judon and a 5th year on Oweh, otherwise it's been rookies and cheap vets. With that strategy I think high picks have to be used because the position is too important. I'm not sure ILBs can make up for a weak rush.

The Linderbaum and Rosengarden picks might show a new strategy. Left Tackle used to be pretty much the only O line position they'd take early. I hope they stick with that approach and take a Guard early, after seeing the interior of our line lose in the playoffs so often.

Well, again, Edge is critical IF you don't have quality interior pass rush. The Eagles rotate a lot of guys and veterans at Edge, because they have premier interior pass rushers. Historically the Ravens have struggled to get that. They probably have a better interior pass rush than they've had in at least a decade at this point, so if there's emphasis, obviously Edge becomes less emphasized.

I think a lot of teams are figuring out that their QBs can stomach edge pressure more than interior pressure, and are investing in Center/Guard play more in order to achieve that AND to "defend" against premier interior rushers.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

The Ravens already go comparatively cheap at Edge. Since Sizz they've paid a tag on Judon and a 5th year on Oweh, otherwise it's been rookies and cheap vets. With that strategy I think high picks have to be used because the position is too important. I'm not sure ILBs can make up for a weak rush.

The Linderbaum and Rosengarden picks might show a new strategy. Left Tackle used to be pretty much the only O line position they'd take early. I hope they stick with that approach and take a Guard early, after seeing the interior of our line lose in the playoffs so often.

Yeah, I'd like them to not necessarily focus on Tackle's, unless that is their need. I understand you can move them inside to Guards, but I think there's probably some pretty good G's passed over that if they're likely to remain interior line they shouldn't muddy the water with what the pay will be if they convert a drafted T to G, for example. The G is a lower pay scale - like TE to WR - so fortify the decent T by getting quality Guards.

I don't think we get good value on Edge tho. In Vet signings, yes. We usually draft guys that are projects in that position. I wish they would just stick to another interior D-lineman that can disrupt things or a straight up LB - not hybrids. Maybe an occasional hybrid, but not one that is going to take 4 years to develop so he can play in his 5th and be marginal.

 

[QtR Nevermore]

Well, again, Edge is critical IF you don't have quality interior pass rush. The Eagles rotate a lot of guys and veterans at Edge, because they have premier interior pass rushers. Historically the Ravens have struggled to get that. They probably have a better interior pass rush than they've had in at least a decade at this point, so if there's emphasis, obviously Edge becomes less emphasized.

I think a lot of teams are figuring out that their QBs can stomach edge pressure more than interior pressure, and are investing in Center/Guard play more in order to achieve that AND to "defend" against premier interior rushers.

I agree but the type of interior rushers who can really disrupt in playoff football are even rarer than edges. I can only really think of Chris Jones and Jalen Carter and, even then, edge is still important - as you say, the Eagles have a good rotation. In the current NFL of light boxes you need good players all along the front, so the Ravens will just have to keep trying all along the D Line.

 

[QtR Nevermore]

Yeah, I'd like them to not necessarily focus on Tackle's, unless that is their need. I understand you can move them inside to Guards, but I think there's probably some pretty good G's passed over that if they're likely to remain interior line they shouldn't muddy the water with what the pay will be if they convert a drafted T to G, for example. The G is a lower pay scale - like TE to WR - so fortify the decent T by getting quality Guards.

I don't think we get good value on Edge tho. In Vet signings, yes. We usually draft guys that are projects in that position. I wish they would just stick to another interior D-lineman that can disrupt things or a straight up LB - not hybrids. Maybe an occasional hybrid, but not one that is going to take 4 years to develop so he can play in his 5th and be marginal.

I'm with you on Guards. I hope the Ravens take one within the first 2 rounds, if the board falls that way.

I think they have to take projecty Edge rushers. The ones with traits and skills are long gone by the time we pick and I think they're right to go with athletes if they have to chose. The bad athletes with good skills usually bust.

The Ravens do about average on value. Oweh was an OK pick. We've not hit on a later pick since Judon but I think Tavius Robinson is useful and has potential. Even Ojabo can't be completely written off given how many 4th year breakouts out of nowhere we've seen over the years.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I agree but the type of interior rushers who can really disrupt in playoff football are even rarer than edges. I can only really think of Chris Jones and Jalen Carter and, even then, edge is still important - as you say, the Eagles have a good rotation. In the current NFL of light boxes you need good players all along the front, so the Ravens will just have to keep trying all along the D Line.

So frankly, the whole "playoff football" thing doesn't matter. There's not a GM in the history of football who has ever said "I'm taking this guy because I think he'll be a good playoff player". They honestly don't give a fuck about that. Good playoff players are almost always big-time contributors in the regular season. They want good players all year long.

There's plenty of quality interior rushers. They're just rarely getting 15 sack seasons because there's fewer opportunities to get sacks on the interior. Justin Madubike is a high-end interior rusher. So are guys like DeForest Buckner and others. There's a long list of veterans who's time in this league is coming to an end who were once in that group.

Teams with great interior pressure aren't going to make significant investment in edge pass rushers, because that investment takes away from another investment on the roster. We always loved edge rushers and Corners in Ozzie's time. Couldn't get a WR in here to save our lives. That impacted the team. Both positively and negatively.

 

[RavensMania]

I'm with you on Guards. I hope the Ravens take one within the first 2 rounds, if the board falls that way.

I think they have to take projecty Edge rushers. The ones with traits and skills are long gone by the time we pick and I think they're right to go with athletes if they have to chose. The bad athletes with good skills usually bust.

The Ravens do about average on value. Oweh was an OK pick. We've not hit on a later pick since Judon but I think Tavius Robinson is useful and has potential. Even Ojabo can't be completely written off given how many 4th year breakouts out of nowhere we've seen over the years.

I think if Simmons is there and they feel he can play carter they should take him. Then in a couple years when they are ready to move on from Stanley they have a high upside left tackle ready to go.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I think if Simmons is there and they feel he can play guard then we should draft him. Then in a couple years when they are ready to move on from Stanley they have a high upside left tackle ready to go.

You mean play Guard? If so I'm fine with that. I think they'll 100% be looking to get a developmental Tackle in here this year or next either way. But I suspect that'll be more of a day 3 pick.

 

[RavensMania]

You mean play Guard? If so I'm fine with that. I think they'll 100% be looking to get a developmental Tackle in here this year or next either way. But I suspect that'll be more of a day 3 pick.

lol, yes that's exactly what I mean. lol

That being said, I do believe that the Ravens feel Rosengarten can play left tackle and I agree with them. He's absolutely athletic enough to be able to play left tackle.

 

[redrum52]

Trader Joe

 

[JO_75]

A QB room of Sam Darnold and.... Drew Lock. I would say a couple years ago people would say the Seahawks are tanking... ok you can still say that now. Sorry Mike, looks like Seattle is screwing you over big time with a rebuild.

 

[JAAM]

I hate seeing Flacco back with the Clowns. He deserves better

 

[ravenslord]

I hate seeing Flacco back with the Clowns. He deserves better

I wanna pummel his ass into the dirt when we play him if he's the starter.

 

[RaineV1]

I hope Flacco plays well for them again, and continues to rub it in their face on just how bad the Watson deal was.

 

[redrum52]

I hate seeing Flacco back with the Clowns. He deserves better

Good pick up for them and an opportunity for him to start. Not mad at it.

 

[allblackraven]

Trader Joe

Fuck Flacco
Fuck clowns

 

[cobrajet]

what do you all think about the TJ Watt contract debacle with Steelers and them not being able to sign Rodgers because of it. sports Illustrated has an article about a possible trade between Steelers and 49ers (Watt for Brock Purdy) and Yahoo Sports has article about a possible trade between Cowboys and Steelers (watt for Dak Prescott). All seems crazy to me!

 

[drjohnnyfever]

The Steelers have a mishmash of guys which makes for a soul-less team. I love their disarray.

 

[gtalk12]

Have ya'll seen Likely lately?

 

[rmcjacket23]

what do you all think about the TJ Watt contract debacle with Steelers and them not being able to sign Rodgers because of it. sports Illustrated has an article about a possible trade between Steelers and 49ers (Watt for Brock Purdy) and Yahoo Sports has article about a possible trade between Cowboys and Steelers (watt for Dak Prescott). All seems crazy to me!

OK so a) on the trade scenarios, obviously they're all LOL. Dak Prescott basically isn't able to be traded this year even if they wanted to based on the structure of his contract, and obviously he's a lot more valuable than TJ Watt is.
And b) I don't think Rodgers has anything to do with Watt. They're just waiting on Rodgers to make a decision. Watt's contract is complicated by Myles Garrett resetting the market. Steelers have to decide whether they'll want to give a 32 year old pass rusher $40M a year and $125M guaranteed on another long term contract.

 

[JAAM]

Have ya'll seen Likely lately?

What happen?